Bad gear

**Chfangedman** · 01-27-2004, 01:07 PM

There has been quite a bit of speculation that QV enanthate batch #13 quite possibly has some bad vials. I have been taking 500 mg a week for 7 weeks now and have had minimal gains. I have quite a few questions about this. First of all I am wondering if I should stop taking this stuff immediately? I would like to continue this cycle and get some good gains out of it. I was planning on doing a 10 week enanthate cycle with 6 weeks of winny thrown in at the end. Knowing that I have been taking this stuff for 7 wks and that this is my first cycle, I would like to hear some suggestions on what I could do to continue this cycle and get some worth while gains w/o subjecting myself to any further health risks. I am 6'4" 195 lbs. I am trying to put on some good muscle and also stay explosive and quick as I am an athlete. This is the reason I was planning on doing enanthate and winny in the same cycle. Somebody had said to me that winny helps with explosiveness and quickness. Is this just complete BS? All suggestions and opinions are much appreciated.

**big swoll** · 01-27-2004, 01:33 PM

are you using the 50ml jugs, or the 10ml vials....from most of the people that ive heard from the 10ml vials are good, but the people taking the 50ml jugs aren't getting any results

**Chfangedman** · 01-27-2004, 01:55 PM

I've got the 10ml vials

**Chfangedman** · 01-27-2004, 07:45 PM

bump

**Jack87** · 01-27-2004, 08:07 PM

Lots of counterfit QV out there...
Go on their site and match up
the lot # to see if yours match

**Jackman** · 01-27-2004, 08:20 PM

why cant the counterfiters simply go to the site and do the exact batch numbers?

**Demon Deacon** · 01-27-2004, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jackman

why cant the counterfiters simply go to the site and do the exact batch numbers?

Oh, the can. If you look and they match they could be either real or fake, but if they dont match than they can only be fake.

**fame2002** · 01-27-2004, 09:24 PM

still need to make sure the vials have holograms on them.

**Jack87** · 01-28-2004, 08:43 AM

Counterfitters aren't exactly the brightest people in the world...

There are alot of bad counterfits out there and if they were
all smart enough to make sure the batch numbers matched up
wouldn't they also be smart enough to know if the label has
rounded corners or square corners??? Or the holagrams match
clsoe enough??? Most don't take the time to cover every detail...

Originally Posted by Jackman

why cant the counterfiters simply go to the site and do the exact batch numbers?