the PERFECT begginer cycle

**damian** · 01-31-2004, 02:11 PM

week 2-13 250mg's test e (testoviron depot) EO5D (total 375mgs test/week)
week 1-13 proviron 50mg's ED
week 2-13 nolvadex 2o mg's ED

PCT
week 15-19 clomid (300/100/50)
week 15-19 nolvadex 20 mgs's ED

this exact cycle was run by my brother as his first (age 32,210lbs,lifting 4 10 years).he gained 27 lds and he kept 24 of it.The most important....NO SIDE EFFECT!!!(not even acne).guess what's gonna be my first cycle too.......

**asiancuts** · 01-31-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by damian

week 2-13 250mg's test e (testoviron depot) EO5D (total 375mgs test/week)
week 1-13 proviron 50mg's ED
week 2-13 nolvadex 2o mg's ED

PCT
week 15-19 clomid (300/100/50)
week 15-19 nolvadex 20 mgs's ED

this exact cycle was run by my brother as his first (age 32,210lbs,lifting 4 10 years).he gained 27 lds and he kept 24 of it.The most important....NO SIDE EFFECT!!!(not even acne).guess what's gonna be my first cycle too.......

bro, i believe that 250mgs every 5 days is 350mgs a week, not 375. (250 divided by 5 days is 50mg ed, so times 7 is 350), minor detail, just pointing that out.

**Roidfever** · 01-31-2004, 02:19 PM

Lots of anti-e's for such a small amount of test. But hey, if your brother did fine with this I suggest you give it a try as well. Good luck!

**damian** · 01-31-2004, 02:20 PM

**** right!but in this case..is the result's that makes all the difference...IMHO

**damian** · 01-31-2004, 02:23 PM

better safe than sorry man...just my $2

**damian** · 01-31-2004, 02:27 PM

i have to say,that both me and my bro are prone to gyno.We have fat deposits on the chest,and when BF is more than 16% looks like ****.....so didnt want to take any chance...

**RoNNy THe BuLL** · 01-31-2004, 02:27 PM

Good cycle, but I'd run

500mg Test

That's it for a first cycle. That's all you need. If you don't grow, that's yo' own fault foo'. It's either because of ****ty diet or lack of training. But you'll groooow on 500mg Test and grow good.

**QbHunter** · 01-31-2004, 03:45 PM

i've been running 50mg proviron and 10 to 20mg of dex everyday to...taking nooo chances

**Da Bull** · 01-31-2004, 03:51 PM

Good luck bro...........happy growing.

DB

Swellin · 01-31-2004, 04:03 PM

Amazing, I would have expected some sides with the distance between shots. Because of the half life of test e, E4D seems to be a little better...but if it works for you...run with it!

Good luck.

**groverman1** · 01-31-2004, 05:29 PM

I would up it to 500mg a week and drop the proviron , by the way how old are ya and whats your stats?

**shootdeep** · 01-31-2004, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by groverman1

I would up it to 500mg a week and drop the proviron, by the way how old are ya and whats your stats?

groverman, why drop the proviron ? i'm just curious

**ColdSore** · 01-31-2004, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by shootdeep

groverman, why drop the proviron? i'm just curious

he doesnt need it...20mg of nolva is PLENTY(probly more than enough) enough for 350mg of test ew...

**shootdeep** · 01-31-2004, 11:45 PM

ok, but proviron has always virtually eliminated any bloat for me. if an aromatization inhibitor like proviron is used, doesn't the non-converted test cause higher test levels?
i'm not trying to argue, it's a question i've pondered

**ColdSore** · 01-31-2004, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by shootdeep

ok, but proviron has always virtually eliminated any bloat for me. if an aromatization inhibitor like proviron is used, doesn't the non-converted test cause higher test levels?
i'm not trying to argue, it's a question i've pondered

good question...i would say no though...i bet pheedno could tell us the perfect answer...as far as the bloat goes...i think even Nolva would be sufficient enough to keep bloat away at that low of a dose

**BASK8KACE** · 01-31-2004, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by groverman1

I would up it to 500mg a week and drop the proviron, by the way how old are ya and whats your stats?

Groverman1,

Why did you suggest 500mg per week? Is it only because you feel that more is better? I'd be interested to hear your reasoning. Lot's of people have grown well on low dose cycles such as the one Damian has written out.

Why did you suggest dropping the proviron ? Proviron could be helpful in a cycle like this, not only to keep down bloating but to free up extra testosterone --to mention only a few of its benefits. I'm interested to hear your reasoning.

Damian,

You're cycle looks good. Since your brother got good results on his cycle and since you're from the same gene pool as he, it is likely that you'll get similar results. But remember, AS affects everyone differently.

If you feel comfortable with your cycle, don't let people talk you into increasing the doses just for the hell of it. You have observed your brother's success on a low-dose testosterone cycle, so you know that a person does not need to use a lot of steroids to grow--especially on his/her frist few cycles.

Remember to eat well and rest well when you're out of the gym. Keep us posted on your progress.

Best of luck with your cycle.