Anyone have any opinions on which is better for a 10 week cycle at 500/week? Is there any real difference?
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Anyone have any opinions on which is better for a 10 week cycle at 500/week? Is there any real difference?
Test is test the only real differance is water retention.
If you're asking for opinions, your probably going to get a split. Some people prefer Cyp, other Enanth. I prefer Cyp. My training partner swears by Enanth and hates Cyp.
They are very very similar! You got to try them to know which fits you better. gl
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You might hold a little less water on Enanth. than cyp,but everyone is different bro.
both are long acting esters, and yes....test is test is test. but i think that enanthate has better test releasing properties because it is one carbon atom lighter then cyp...but that really is getting technical. try em both and see what fits you better.
i like propppp except the shots suck!
with test cyp, do you still do pct 2 weeks after last shot or less than 2 weeks?
also do you dose the same as test en ?ex.400 mg a week 200mg monday,200 mg thursday
take both plus prop! with t400 denkall!
Good question jbol...
would you start PCT 2 weeks after the last shot like enan? I'm assuming it's the same - no difference. Can anyone verify?
....so why would anyone choose one over the other? Anything else that common info would miss? Is it all about personal preference?
They do have slightly different characterists to them.Example would be test e you start pct 2wks after last shot,cyp would be 3 wks.I'm not going to get technical here you can do your own homework.Quote:
Originally Posted by crimson55
pct 2wks after last inj-
and doses are simular with cyp and enth- its a personal preference thing, they are nearly identical compounds..
thanx bull,so cyp is in your system longer...got itQuote:
Originally Posted by Da Bull
sorry bro but this is not correct, i would like to hear the technical explanation??Quote:
Example would be test e you start pct 2wks after last shot,cyp would be 3 wks
cyp is a day shorter or longer in ester than enanth, there isnt a week difference, and you would effectively do pct about the same time, 2 2 1/2 weeks
peace
sorry is "PCT" PROVIRON (mesterolone)?
What do you all think of this cycle???
DECA-300mg per week- all on monday
TEST CYPIONATE 200monday/200Thursday
DBALL-20mg daily split breakfast/dinner
PROVIRON 25mg DAY start first week and off second and so on and so on.
THANKS!
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PCT is post cycle theropy. No that cycle is no good
cyp and enth are extremely close, technically enth should be slightly stronger but it is very close.
So I say go with the best mg for dollar
They are so close I would rather get enanthate because gram for gram you are getting more testosterone for your $$$ with enathate - the cypionate ester is heavier.
This is enanthate (some regions sold as heptanoate or heptylate):
http://chemacx.cambridgesoft.com/che...185&height=130
This is cypionate:
http://chemacx.cambridgesoft.com/che...185&height=130
I haven't noticed that much difference but I swear by enanthate. I experience a bit less water retention with the e.
enethate!! easy..All of the stuff I looked at it seemed to fit what I wanted to do. There is a few differences, but the best advice..just try them both in different cycles. then the third cycle you would know exactly what you need. This is just something that takes time to learn. But I do promise you this, by the time you are ready to start your third cycle, you will know your body so well, you will be able to make adjustments and grow like a M/Fer!!
WHy is this cycle not good? :-) Could you explain :-) Pretty please..........I have done a bit of research and this seems good.....but i am very very inexperienced.
DECA-300mg per week- all on monday
TEST CYPIONATE 200mg monday/200mg Thursday
DBALL-20mg daily split breakfast/dinner
PROVIRON 25mg-x2=50mg total per DAY start first week and off second and so on and so on.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
It's not bad according to my opinion. As a first timer you will get some good gains out of it. Just keep in mind to limit the db-usage to 4 or 5 weeks. Let your cycle last for about 8 weeks and taper down in the last 2 weeks. Run the proviron ed throughout your entire cycle.
Afterwards make sure you use clomid as pct.
Bro. The best advise we could give is SLOW DOWN. Hang out on the board and research. By you saying your inexperienced tells me that you should NOT jump into this right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by forestcall
My advise. Your first cycle should consist of TEST and TEST only. No need to run 3 different types of Steroids. If you run into side effects, how in the world are you going to know which one is causing them.
Active life:
Cyp- 13-15 days
Enan- 10-12 days
PCT starts 14 days after last Enan injection, 18 days after Cyp injection.
Because Enan molecular weight is slightly less than Cyp, it provides 2mg(per100mg) more than Cyp does. At the doses we shoot, that is pretty insignificant.
Bottom line, get whats cheaper
And start your own thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by buylongterm
i always put them the other way around bro, i think cyp is slightly shorter than enanth, not the other way around, i might be wrong but if i am, i have been thinking wrong for a long time lolQuote:
Active life:
Cyp- 13-15 days
Enan- 10-12 days
PCT starts 14 days after last Enan injection, 18 days after Cyp injection.
Because Enan molecular weight is slightly less than Cyp
peace
Good call... I read so much, I forgot who started this thread!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
Thanks for the advice! :-)
The only issue I am having right now is how the Proviron effects the body.
My blood sugar has been freaking out like crazy! Up and down like a yo yo!
I just purchased a Glucose tester computer thingy and at one point it read 233 and then at another point it read 67. I am either racing along like a rocket or so sleepy and weak feeling I almost pass out. I do feel great when I use protien with a little carbs.
The problem is I have already had Level 2 Diabetes and have only used insulin a few times in my life. I am currently in Thailand so I am the only one who can watch myself when I use insulin which I think I will have to start doing ASAP. I have been a top level athlete my entire life and have never had problems before when I used Test or Deca for cutting muscle, etc. But in all honesty this is my first REAL cycle. ALso in the past I would just do like 4 weeks of about 200mg of Deca and or Test but nothing big. In the military we would all use Test at 100mg per week with INCREDIBLE results! Get in my way and I would faltten you! :-)
THanks for all the great help and support! This forum ROCKS!!!
enenthate you get more test per mg then with cyp...enenthate is a number 7 ester where cyp is a number 8.....the difference isn't much...but mg for mg enth has more test in it....
anf for the guy who said take t400, forget that....that **** burns too much and its like if you only take sus once shot a week its a waste....you have to take prop shot EOD while you take juices like them to keep you test levels prop
Is this guy for real???Quote:
Originally Posted by forestcall
Well, first of all - I hope you don't plan on running the D-bol for more then 4-5 weeks. Also, you need Nolvadex or Clomid for PCT to go along with the Proviron. Other then that, 400mg Test/300mg Deca is a good choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by forestcall
The differences in the ester weights are so insignificant it's not worth mentioning. Debating if test cyp is better than test enan is like debating whether your protein powder works better when the UPS guy delivers it or when the FedX guys delivers it.
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Originally Posted by einstein1905
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good point ! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein1905
iv done both! I have to say i liked them but Test E did it for me
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The problem is I have already had Level 2 Diabetes QUOTE]
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