Thread: not sure how to run my PCT
02-04-2004, 11:22 AM #1
not sure how to run my PCT
02-04-2004, 11:24 AM #2
02-04-2004, 11:54 AM #3
02-04-2004, 12:21 PM #4Originally Posted by dumblucky
02-04-2004, 12:31 PM #5
02-04-2004, 12:48 PM #6
..and do more research...you are at the right place to learn everything you need to know. Hang around, read LOTS, ask questions.
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02-05-2004, 03:05 AM #7
02-05-2004, 04:40 AM #8
here is a little overview of HCG .
chorionic gonadotropin is a hormone found in the female body during the early month's of pregnancy (it is produced in the placenta). It is in fact the pregnancy indicator looked at by the over the counter pregnancy test kits, as due to its origin it is not found in the body at any other time. blood levels of this hormone will become noticeable as early as seven days after ovulation. the level will rise evenly, reaching a peak @ approximately two to three months into gestation. after this point, the hormone level will drop gradually until the point of birth. as a prescription drug, HCG offers us some interesting benefits. in the USA, they have the two popular brands Prengnyl, made by organon, and profasi, made by serono. these are FDA approved for the treatment of undescended testicles in young boys, hypogonadism (underproduction of testosterone ) and as a fertility drug used to aid in inducing ovulation in women. when prepared as a medical item, this hormone comes from a human origin. although there is often a fear of biological origin products, there is little research to be found regarding pathogen or sterility problems with HCG. the problems seen with human orgin gh are certainly not to be repeated with HCG, as the compound is obtained in a much different way.
while HCG offers the female no performance enhancing ability, it does prove very useful to the male steroid user. the obvious use of course being to stimulate the production of endogenous testosterone. the activity of HCG in the male body is due to its ability to mimic LH (luteinizing hormone), a pituitary hormone that stimulates the leydigs cells in the testes to manufacture test. restoring endogenous test production is a special concern at the end of a cycle,a time when a subnormal androgen level (due to steroid induced suppression) could be very costly. the main concern is the action of cortisol, which many ways is balanced out by the effect of androgens. cortisol sends the opposite message to the muscles than test, or to breakdown protein in the cell. left unchecked (by an extremely low test level) in the body, cortisol can quickly strip much of your new muscle mass away.
the main focus with HCG is to restore the normal ability of the testes to respond to endogenous luteinizing hormone. after a long period of inactivity, this ability may have been seriously reduced. in such a state test levels may not reach a normal point, even though the release of endogenous LH has been resumed. many who have suffered severe testicular shrinkage may be able to relate, as it is often some time before normal testicle size and feelings of virility are restored if ancillary drugs had not been used. the excessive stimulation brought forth by administration of HCG can likewise cause the testicles to rapidly return to their normal size and level of activity. we are not simply looking for it to fix a problem however, as resulting high test levels can itself trigger negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus. estrogen production is also heighted with the use of HCG, due to it's ability to increase aromatise activity in the leydigs cells. this is due to the main action of HCG, namely the increase of cyclicAMP (a secondary messenger that regulates cellular activity). when stimulated by HCG, the ability of testes to aromatize androgens could potentially be heightened several times greater than normal. this also my inhibit test production, so we therefore use HCG only as a quick shock to the testes.
the usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 i.u. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 to 3 weeks. if used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the leydigs cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis. timing the initial dose is also very crucial. if you were coming off a cycle of sus for example, test levels in the blood will likely stay elevated for at least 3 to 4 weeks after your last injection. taking HCG on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. in case HCG would be started around the third or forth week. likewise, after ending a cycle of dbol you blood levels will be sub normal after the 3rd day. here you may want to begin HCG therapy a few days before your last intake of tabs, giving it a few days to take effect. one would also want to give some thought to the level of suppression that the cycle might have brought about. after an 8 week cycle of equipose for example, 1500-2500 i.u. would likely be a sufficient initial dosage. the lower amount of hormonal suppression one associates with this drug would probably not require much more. on the other hand, 750-1000mg of sus per week might incline the user to inject a much larger HCG dose, perhaps as much as 5000 i.u for the opening application. it may thereafter also be a good idea to reduce the dosage on subsequent shots, so as to step down the intake of HCG during the two or three weeks of intake.
as discussed above, HCG acts only to mimic the action of LH. It is likewise not the perfect hormone to combat test suppression, and for this reason it is used most often in conjunction with estrogen antagonists such as clomid, nolvadex or cyclofenil . these drugs have a different effect on the regulating system, namely inhibiting estrogen-induced suppression @ the hypothalamus. this of course also helps to restore the release of test, although through a much different mechanism than HCG. a combination of both drugs appears to be very synergistic, HCG providing an immediate effect on the testes (shocking them out of inactivity) while the antiestrogen helps later to block inhibition on the hypothalamus and resume the normal release of gonadotropins from the pituitary. the typical procedure involves giving the clomid/nolvadex dose from the start with HCG, but continuing it alone for a few weeks once HCG has been discontinued. this practice should effectively raise test levels, which will hopefully remain stable once clomid/nolvadex has been discontinued. while unfortunately there is no way to retain all if the muscle gains produced by AAS, using ancillaries to restore a balanced hormonal state is the best way to minimise the loss felt with ending a cycle.
hope this helps, one of the mods might want to put this is the educational thread section. i don't agree with all of the above, i use HCG no more than 10 days @ 500i.u a day after a long test cycle. cutting cycles i would only use clomid and nolva.
02-05-2004, 05:37 AM #9Originally Posted by blowout247
i hope were kidding here BO!!
02-05-2004, 05:40 AM #10
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