Liquid Research Busted...

**bones93** · 02-05-2004, 07:47 PM

didnt want to identify which brand name they were making, except the hints were, the products were the cheapest but also had a good reputation for often being slightly dosed stronger then rated "and" a large number of us have used these products before. I donno, the hints sound an aweful lot like they are shanghai labs but this is only speculation."
This was posted bt NPTADUDE......if you look in the Chemical Corner of this months MD there is a paragraph on this lab and the author states that the products are good and "(for research purpose only..wink wink)"

This could be a valid guess

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 02-05-2004, 08:06 PM

OK, I'm tired of waitin' for guys to get home and PM me back....
Who's the guys with the Flavored Stuff?? I can't remember, PM me.
TSW

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 02-05-2004, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

****!! I wanted to try the LIQUID STEELE!!!" ****!

Man...Don't remind me...I'm lookin' at my 4/5 of a bottle like it's a Super Serum out of some Time Capsule!
Who makes the closest copy? That stuff would probably work on a guy that aint had a woody in a decade!
So who's the next best in line???
I know this, every other Co is gonna get freakin' swamped!
TSW

**RussianVodka** · 02-05-2004, 08:16 PM

Bros, are these stuff clomid, clen and nolva controlled substance?
Are they included in a Schedule 3 list?

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 02-05-2004, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by RussianVodka

Bros, are these stuff clomid, clen and nolva controlled substance?
Are they included in a Schedule 3 list?

They need a prescription, so they are controlled, just not Sch. 3.
TSW

**billy_ba** · 02-05-2004, 09:33 PM

No more posts like this ----------cycleon

**debulkred** · 02-05-2004, 10:40 PM

When All Else Fails.......... Read The Bible....... For Thy God Shall Not Fail............ Ughh Isnt' There A Steroid Bible?

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 02-05-2004, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by debulkred

When All Else Fails.......... Read The Bible....... For Thy God Shall Not Fail............ Ughh Isnt' There A Steroid Bible?

Actually Brother, you couldn't be more right if you lived to be 969 like Methusela - Straight up.
But since you asked, yeah, there is a Steroid Bible....the Author wasn't nearly as Divine, nor quite as insightful, but given the perameters of his time, he did pretty well. Dan Duchaine.
TSW
(Did I spell that right?)

**Symian** · 02-05-2004, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

****!! I wanted to try the LIQUID STEELE!!!" ****!

ME TOO! I hope partyboy will still be able to put on a good show for us. Or was he using the cialis?

Sym

**IGOTJUICE007** · 02-05-2004, 11:42 PM

well i just called my CC comp to refute the charge and they said it would not be a problem, I just had to wait till it was posted to my account which takes 3 more days.

**Da Bull** · 02-05-2004, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

I was just reading on another board that the liquidresearch guys also had an illegal side. They were producing testosterone prop, test enanthate, test cyp, EQ and other products although people who know better didnt want to identify which brand name they were making, except the hints were, the products were the cheapest but also had a good reputation for often being slightly dosed stronger then rated "and" a large number of us have used these products before. I donno, the hints sound an aweful lot like they are shanghai labs but this is only speculation.

IMO.this is what brought them down.Surprised on a big board like this no one really understands

**DF2003** · 02-06-2004, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by bones93

didnt want to identify which brand name they were making, except the hints were, the products were the cheapest but also had a good reputation for often being slightly dosed stronger then rated "and" a large number of us have used these products before. I donno, the hints sound an aweful lot like they are shanghai labs but this is only speculation."
This was posted bt NPTADUDE......if you look in the Chemical Corner of this months MD there is a paragraph on this lab and the author states that the products are good and "(for research purpose only..wink wink)"

This could be a valid guess

yea but i think this is very speculative! to guess that lr made this ugl's products is only a guess and imo shouldnt be posted without validity!!!!!!

**dizzle** · 02-06-2004, 12:02 PM

They are starting to contact customers...

http://board1.mantisforums.com/uploa...threadid=25959

**Lord Humungous** · 02-06-2004, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle

They are starting to contact customers...

http://board1.mantisforums.com/uploa...threadid=25959

Diz, that thread started the day of the bust.

So far I have only heard of (supposedly) 2 people that got contacted. If they are telling the truth, then that's one thing. But a zillion bros ordered from them and I have yet to hear from one that got messed with, that might be credible. If I'm wrong, please correct me and point me in the right direction.

I never ordered from there, but this whole thing just sucks.

-LH

**Jack87** · 02-07-2004, 09:29 AM

Just plain Stupid to keep a list of customers

with easy access in the event of a bust...

Should at least be on a encrypted email

account on someone elses server...

Not kept local for everyone to see...

These guys were not very professional IMO

**Carlos_E** · 02-07-2004, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by buff87

Just plain Stupid to keep a list of customers

with easy access in the event of a bust...

Should at least be on a encrypted email

account on someone elses server...

Not kept local for everyone to see...

These guys were not very professional IMO

I remember a year ago reading a thread about someone finding Liquid Research customer lists and credit card numbers in a dumpster. So I doubt they did a good job of properly destroying customer info.

**IGOTJUICE007** · 02-07-2004, 12:12 PM

Ok bros, I just contacted my credit card company regarding my charge by LR. All I said was this: I give authorization for a friend to use my card on a website that turned out to be fraudulent and illegitamate. She said then we will change your account number immediately and will credit the charge after filling out the fraud form. So, I think that should work as well as cover my ass a lil. Hope this helps anyone in my predicament, and the point of was that I kept it vague and didn't say anything about illegal products, rather just said the site was illegitament.

G-S · 02-07-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

I remember a year ago reading a thread about someone finding Liquid Research customer lists and credit card numbers in a dumpster. So I doubt they did a good job of properly destroying customer info.

Wrong. It wasn't LR, it was another company.

**Carlos_E** · 02-07-2004, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by G-S

Wrong. It wasn't LR, it was another company.

If I am wrong then I stand corrected. I do remember it was an online liquid site. I'll do a search for it.

**bermich** · 02-07-2004, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by IGOTJUICE007

Ok bros, I just contacted my credit card company regarding my charge by LR. All I said was this: I give authorization for a friend to use my card on a website that turned out to be fraudulent and illegitamate. She said then we will change your account number immediately and will credit the charge after filling out the fraud form. So, I think that should work as well as cover my ass a lil. Hope this helps anyone in my predicament, and the point of was that I kept it vague and didn't say anything about illegal products, rather just said the site was illegitament.

BAD and RETARDED move. You cant blame your FRAUDILANT and ILLEGAL activities on a friend or anyone. If and WHEN it comes to investigation, you will be interviewed and asked WHO this person was. You cant say you dont know. Credit cards and reporting fraud is FEDERAL and they DO NOT DICK AROUND. Take responsibility for your actions or SMARTEN UP.

You cant report your card lost or stolen cause Im sure you made other transactions after that one.
All cardholders are responsible for the purchases placed on their card unless IMMEDIATELY reported lost or stolen.

**bermich** · 02-07-2004, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by magicstick2003

What would i tell them i never received it or i never heard of this place i don;t know whats goin on?? Some advice would be appreciated since i've never refuted anything before

Dont tell them anything. All you guys are getting paranoid before you know any facts. Get paranoid when they haul you off to jail. Not before.

There are THOUSANDS of threads with the advice SAY NOTHING, yet you guys are asking for advice on WHAT TO SAY.
Trust me. Trying to help them out by giving them info does not help you out. It does not make them say "hey, this guy is helpful. He is our friend now. Lets let him go since he helped us out." They are gonna leave the room and start laughing about you cause you made their case SO MUCH EASIER.

Do you guys know that it is 75% MORE diffiicult for them to prosectute and even hold offenders without interigation methods or confessions?
An average lawyer can get that crap thrown out so fast when you OFFERED NO EXPLINATION to the investigators.

But of course, all you guys get paniced when they show up to your door and you all start squeeling like babies trying to explain your way out of handcuffs.

**Tock** · 02-07-2004, 03:46 PM

I kinda think it was better when the Clinton Administration whittled down the DEA's budget for this sort of thing . . . they put the $$$ to better use than trying to send people to the big house . . . GD 'publicans pumped up their budget, and look what we have to deal with . . . sheesh . . .
--Tock

**IGOTJUICE007** · 02-07-2004, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by bermich

BAD and RETARDED move. You cant blame your FRAUDILANT and ILLEGAL activities on a friend or anyone. If and WHEN it comes to investigation, you will be interviewed and asked WHO this person was. You cant say you dont know. Credit cards and reporting fraud is FEDERAL and they DO NOT DICK AROUND. Take responsibility for your actions or SMARTEN UP.

You cant report your card lost or stolen cause Im sure you made other transactions after that one.
All cardholders are responsible for the purchases placed on their card unless IMMEDIATELY reported lost or stolen.

Well,I can say I charged it not realizing that it was an illegitament site. Either way Ill see what the fraud form looks like when i get it and if the questions are too detailed i just wont bother and ill take it as a loss, and honestly im not worried about be interegated for a bottle of clen and my house is clean, so its not such a dick move IMO

**IGOTJUICE007** · 02-07-2004, 04:55 PM

And I think it looks worse to pay for illegal goods and is more incriminating, how does one explain paying for illegal goods that werent received and how do you respond to paying a credit card bill, that pretty much is synonomous with guilt IMO

**toolman** · 02-07-2004, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by IGOTJUICE007

And I think it looks worse to pay for illegal goods and is more incriminating, how does one explain paying for illegal goods that werent received and how do you respond to paying a credit card bill, that pretty much is synonomous with guilt IMO

One does not have to explain anything. Read the constitution. You do not have to bear witness against yourself. Just say nothing. If they ask a question, say contact my lawyer and he will answer any questions he sees fit.

**poppapump58** · 02-07-2004, 06:03 PM

what exactly were they busted for! Is it illegal or not to buy and posses their anti-e's? What about other websites that sell anti-e's?

**IGOTJUICE007** · 02-07-2004, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

One does not have to explain anything. Read the constitution. You do not have to bear witness against yourself. Just say nothing. If they ask a question, say contact my lawyer and he will answer any questions he sees fit.

I hear ya Im not worried about that, I just wanted a chance to get my 80 bucks back, if it becomes too much of a process then ill just take the loss, like I said I'm not worred about legal ramifcations because they are weak at best, the reality is that they were an illegitamate comp, and I never received goods.

**magicstick2003** · 02-07-2004, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by bermich

Dont tell them anything. All you guys are getting paranoid before you know any facts. Get paranoid when they haul you off to jail. Not before.

There are THOUSANDS of threads with the advice SAY NOTHING, yet you guys are asking for advice on WHAT TO SAY.
Trust me. Trying to help them out by giving them info does not help you out. It does not make them say "hey, this guy is helpful. He is our friend now. Lets let him go since he helped us out." They are gonna leave the room and start laughing about you cause you made their case SO MUCH EASIER.

Do you guys know that it is 75% MORE diffiicult for them to prosectute and even hold offenders without interigation methods or confessions?
An average lawyer can get that crap thrown out so fast when you OFFERED NO EXPLINATION to the investigators.

But of course, all you guys get paniced when they show up to your door and you all start squeeling like babies trying to explain your way out of handcuffs.

I wasn;t refering to police or anything i was refering to the bank when i disputed my charge.... i went in there though told them i bought some products.. i later found out on the news the were arrested and i don;t want any part of that..i didn;t lie or but i never said what i ordered... if it comes down to police i just wanted it for some M1T and 1TEST... because i heard that you needed these things to keep the side affects down.... no need to lie..

**powerlifter** · 02-07-2004, 07:21 PM

GHB precursors - Feds were all over it

**Oceans7** · 02-07-2004, 07:52 PM

ditto on the PM ... that's about all I'll say here in the open, but I have 2 major Q's, one on the legal ramifications and the other on usage of ... thx bros (and sista's) ... O7

**Jack87** · 02-07-2004, 10:49 PM

Wasn't LR, It was one of the fina kit companies...

Still bad news for LR to keep customer info lists around...

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

If I am wrong then I stand corrected. I do remember it was an online liquid site. I'll do a search for it.

**Jack87** · 02-07-2004, 10:57 PM

Without a Presciption it is illegal to buy and no doubt is illegal to manufacture without FDA approval... All UG Labs and Research Companies are breaking the law, or if you want to look at it this way bending the **** outta them at the very least...

Originally Posted by poppapump58

what exactly were they busted for! Is it illegal or not to buy and posses their anti-e's? What about other websites that sell anti-e's?

**rob35145** · 02-09-2004, 01:42 PM

Can any of you bro’s PM a reliable research company to take the place of LR. I have been hearing some bad things about RK and definitely don’t want to waist my money.

**tryingtogetbig** · 02-09-2004, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tock

I kinda think it was better when the Clinton Administration whittled down the DEA's budget for this sort of thing . . . they put the $$$ to better use than trying to send people to the big house . . . GD 'publicans pumped up their budget, and look what we have to deal with . . . sheesh . . .
--Tock

Jesus Christ Tock...do you have to bring this shiet up in every f'ing thread. We know you are a fuking democrat and that you are up Clinton's ass...but shiet...you don't have to post it in every f'ing thread.

peace,

ttgb

**elicotton** · 02-09-2004, 08:02 PM

First read this this afternoon. My buddy placed an order last week - checked with him tonight - yep, it's the same company. I arranged payment, he had them shipped to his fathers farm address - any advice I can pass along?

This blows! Trying to put together my first cycle, probably lost $$$. At least nothing can be traced to me. Any alternate ideas for next time? PM me.

**bermich** · 02-09-2004, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by tryingtogetbig

Jesus Christ Tock...do you have to bring this shiet up in every f'ing thread. We know you are a fuking democrat and that you are up Clinton's ass...but shiet...you don't have to post it in every f'ing thread.

peace,

ttgb

That was some funny sh it right there.

**Tock** · 02-09-2004, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by tryingtogetbig

Jesus Christ Tock...do you have to bring this shiet up in every f'ing thread. We know you are a fuking democrat and that you are up Clinton's ass...but shiet...you don't have to post it in every f'ing thread.

peace,

ttgb

It just chaps my ass (and I've got half an inch of fresh callus) the gov't hassles grown adults like this. It's not really a Demo/Repub issue, as they're both responsible, although conservatives seem to push the issue a bit harder . . .
I don't mind if the gov't analyzes drugs and posts its data, in fact I'd appreciate that. But holy crap, it's sheer stupidity to chase people like us for using AS. It's not immoral, it's not their business, and they should be out chasing down child molesters or terrorists instead. But it's good politics.
And I've said it before and I'll say it againg . . . it is nothing but masochism to support politicians who don't support us but are trying to send as many as they can catch to the big house. It used to be we could get this stuff legally from a doctor who'd watch out for us. Now they can't, and we're screwed, thanks to the politicians. Both parties.
We ain't got the personal liberty that folks used to have 100 years ago, and that sucks like a thirsty leech in the desert. Nowadays they're telling people they can't smoke in clubs and restaurants; seems to me as long as no one has to go to those clubs and restaurants that the smoking policy belongs to the property owner and not the f'in gov't. Of course smoking ain't good for ya, but the whole point of this is that the gov't shouldn't be telling us citizens how to run our personal lives . . . every little rule they make is just another bit of freedom we don't have. They'll keep taking it away, too, little bit by little bit, until we can't take a dump without their approval . . .
Rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant . . .
Yah, you can be tired of my rants, but I for one think the gov't has gotten too big for its britches, spends too much gd money, taxes f'in way too much, and is in desperate need of a good trimming . . .

My gosh, I'm starting to sound like Ronald Reagan in his 1980 campaign . . .

Rant over . . . I'm gonna go pound sand, ranting is useless . . . nothing is gonna change . . . some of us will needlessly get pinched by the cops, screw up some folk's careers . . . your kids (I don't have to worry about mine, I ain't gonna have any) are gonna be worse off than us, thanks to . . . oh crap, forget it . . .
-Tock
Yah, this'll be the last time I rant on this crap . . .
I'll vote libertarian . . . won't do anything, but it's the right thing to do . . .

**IGOTJUICE007** · 02-12-2004, 09:36 AM

Quick LR update

Posted by Bayou Mike@ Anabolex

I will just like to make a quick note on the orders placed before and during the time of the raid. They are holding all of our research chems and every thing esle that belonged to the company. but we will refund everybody's money as soon as they unfreeze our account. We are at the mercy of slow ass lazy cops and them submitting their paperwork....not to mention we still have yet to see a warrant for their entry into our home.

**Mart651** · 02-12-2004, 09:44 AM

You can thank your boys for the smoking thing. Local dems.

Originally Posted by Tock

It just chaps my ass (and I've got half an inch of fresh callus) the gov't hassles grown adults like this. It's not really a Demo/Repub issue, as they're both responsible, although conservatives seem to push the issue a bit harder . . .
I don't mind if the gov't analyzes drugs and posts its data, in fact I'd appreciate that. But holy crap, it's sheer stupidity to chase people like us for using AS. It's not immoral, it's not their business, and they should be out chasing down child molesters or terrorists instead. But it's good politics.
And I've said it before and I'll say it againg . . . it is nothing but masochism to support politicians who don't support us but are trying to send as many as they can catch to the big house. It used to be we could get this stuff legally from a doctor who'd watch out for us. Now they can't, and we're screwed, thanks to the politicians. Both parties.
We ain't got the personal liberty that folks used to have 100 years ago, and that sucks like a thirsty leech in the desert. Nowadays they're telling people they can't smoke in clubs and restaurants; seems to me as long as no one has to go to those clubs and restaurants that the smoking policy belongs to the property owner and not the f'in gov't. Of course smoking ain't good for ya, but the whole point of this is that the gov't shouldn't be telling us citizens how to run our personal lives . . . every little rule they make is just another bit of freedom we don't have. They'll keep taking it away, too, little bit by little bit, until we can't take a dump without their approval . . .
Rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant . . .
Yah, you can be tired of my rants, but I for one think the gov't has gotten too big for its britches, spends too much gd money, taxes f'in way too much, and is in desperate need of a good trimming . . .

My gosh, I'm starting to sound like Ronald Reagan in his 1980 campaign . . .

Rant over . . . I'm gonna go pound sand, ranting is useless . . . nothing is gonna change . . . some of us will needlessly get pinched by the cops, screw up some folk's careers . . . your kids (I don't have to worry about mine, I ain't gonna have any) are gonna be worse off than us, thanks to . . . oh crap, forget it . . .
-Tock
Yah, this'll be the last time I rant on this crap . . .
I'll vote libertarian . . . won't do anything, but it's the right thing to do . . .

**bitta** · 02-12-2004, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by groverman1

Like said before they got greedy, keeping manifests and mailing lists are just plain idiotic. The DEA and other law enforcement agencies are not going to spend the time and cash for some clen or clomid buyers. It just isn't feasible. Hell they can't even get the **** crack, meth and other drugs under control. One, I always pay with money order never used my credit card, two it sucks to pay for it but I have a PO, and three I always clean my computer records daily. Use an encrypted email account, and try to leave the least amount of trails possible. It is too easy to get lazy. When you do things for a while you become complacent. I know it's easier said then done but chill it will be ok.

encrypted e-mail is good and all but my IT guy at the office said that they can subpena the mail provider ie,zip,hush for e-mail records even if encrypted. DONT ACCCEPT PACKAGES!