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    Talking First Cycle!! opinion needed!

    Hi Guys!!

    Think i need some answers and opinions here!

    Thought at first in this cycle:



    Nolvadex (20 mg each dayfrom all cycle till end of clomid)
    1.....SUSTANON /250 mg..........................
    2.....SUSTANON/250 mg.........................
    3.....SUSTANON/250 mg..........................
    4.....SUSTANON/250 mg..........................
    5.....SUSTANON/250 mg..........................
    6.....SUSTANON/250 mg..........................
    7.........WINSTROL ..100mg........DECA ..200mg
    8.........................100mg.................30 0mg.
    9.........................100mg.................30 0mg.
    10........................100mg................300 mg.
    11........................100mg................200 mg.
    12........................100mg................200 mg.
    ...........(3 weeks after last Deca shot)......
    15.......clomid day 1 Clomid 300mg(day one)
    day 2 to 11 Clomid 100mg
    day 12 to 30 Clomid 50mg


    But since it's my first and it would be too long and maybe strong
    thought in deca/Win basic cycle:


    Nolvadex(20 mg each dayfrom all cycle till end of clomid)
    1.........WINSTROL..50mg.......DECA..100mg
    2.........................100mg...............200m g.
    3.........................100mg...............300m g.
    4........................100mg................400m g.
    5........................100mg................400m g.
    6........................100mg................300m g.
    7........................100mg................200m g.
    8........................500mg................100m g.
    ...........(3 weeks after last Deca shot)......
    11.......clomid day 1 Clomid 300mg
    day 2 to 11 Clomid 100mg
    day 12 to 30 Clomid 50mg



    What do you think about both?


    Two question:

    -Shall i shoot deca every 6 days? Since i is 100mg/ml in the 400 days do i split them in 2 of 200each and shot one at later morning and other at evening?

    -winstrol shoot ever two days? Should i rotate each shot for egxmple the arm?



    thks-

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    Thumbs down

    I just glanced at all of that crap and already know youre WAY off base!

    Keep it simple.....learn to read your body's reaction to each gear over time.......not all together!

    This is a perfect 1st cycle.....dont argue or second think it!

    Test E or C

    200-400mg per week for 10-12 weeks
    anti e's
    clomid for pct

    if your diet/training/rest/suppliments are spot on...youll grow like you cant imagine....

    D

    Oh........and what are your stats?
    age/yrs training/etc

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    To expand on what dent depot said....run the test at 200mg E4D. This will keep your blood levels constant. The cycles you posted above could very well be dissasterous!

    If you want to run it a little different...follow the link in my signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dent depot
    I just glanced at all of that crap and already know youre WAY off base!

    Keep it simple.....learn to read your body's reaction to each gear over time.......not all together!

    This is a perfect 1st cycle.....dont argue or second think it!

    Test E or C

    200-400mg per week for 10-12 weeks
    anti e's
    clomid for pct

    if your diet/training/rest/suppliments are spot on...youll grow like you cant imagine....

    D

    Oh........and what are your stats?
    age/yrs training/etc
    you beat me bro. run what dent said

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dent depot
    I just glanced at all of that crap and already know youre WAY off base!

    Keep it simple.....learn to read your body's reaction to each gear over time.......not all together!

    This is a perfect 1st cycle.....dont argue or second think it!

    Test E or C

    200-400mg per week for 10-12 weeks
    anti e's
    clomid for pct

    if your diet/training/rest/suppliments are spot on...youll grow like you cant imagine....

    D

    Oh........and what are your stats?
    age/yrs training/etc
    I agree there.........he needs to research much more.........

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    there is a mistake... ate the end of the deca /winny cycle in the last winny shot, that would be 50mg

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    21 years
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    75 kg-should be about 160pnds
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    So the real truth is this:

    Test E or C
    200-400mg per week for 10-12 weeks
    anti e's
    clomid for pct

    isn't too long?

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    where can you point other mistakes?

    Learning
    That's why i'm here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by darklight
    where can you point other mistakes?

    Learning
    That's why i'm here!
    Go to the educational threads bro and read.You'll learn alot.

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    One question, why isn't a good cycle the winny deca one? (the second plan that i posted)

    Indeed the Test E would be a better basic one, but whats wrong with the w/deca one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darklight
    21 years
    2 years training
    75 kg-should be about 160pnds
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    So the real truth is this:

    Test E or C
    200-400mg per week for 10-12 weeks
    anti e's
    clomid for pct

    isn't too long?
    Test E needs to be done E4D. Cyp is E3D. 10 weeks imho is too short, go 12 if you can. You had one thing right, the PCT for clomid. But make sure you add nolva 20mg ED for PCT. Read more bro before you start please or you will be kicking your self in the ass

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    Test is the perfect 1st cycle

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    Dent is right - read and learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by darklight
    One question, why isn't a good cycle the winny deca one? (the second plan that i posted)

    Indeed the Test E would be a better basic one, but whats wrong with the w/deca one?
    My god people are too lazy to use the F'ing search button...........................does your mommy still wipe your azz too?

    Christ...

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    ok guys, don't be mad....

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    So then a 12 week 200 mg Test E should be fine..!?
    And about aramidex for the whole cycle till the end of the second week of the last shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darklight
    One question, why isn't a good cycle the winny deca one? (the second plan that i posted)

    Indeed the Test E would be a better basic one, but whats wrong with the w/deca one?
    I can't resist this...because it is far too important for you to overlook......read Da Bull's post...
    Go to the educational threads bro and read.You'll learn alot.
    You cannot learn nearly enough by asking questions, if you don't have a good base of knowledge from the begining. We all started by reading this stuff...it really helps.

    IMO, 21 years old with two years of training and only weighing 160 pounds....is not ready for gear.....you REALLY need to get your diet and your workouts in check before jumping on gear. Nobody likes to hear this, but it is best for you in the long run.

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    Deca cant be run w/o test, its dumb to do it. test should be your basic foundation of any cycle. and since its your first, you shouldnt be throwing in all these compounds.

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    Using Test E for a first cycle, I've read that most people inject 250mg E4D or (MON, THUR) with the PCT of course. Im about to start this exact cycle on Monday, but I'm throwing in Dbol . Run the Test E it's some good ****, do some research on it and you'll see for yourself. Or run whatever Test you want!!! TEST is TEST. Just depends on how often you want to inject. Good Luck Bro. PEACE

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    the cycle i put as my signature is a cycle that ive decide after lot of research and lot of questions about first cycles!
    it's a moderate dosage with a kickstart... you can try it!

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    help please

    hey guys i need some help.

    this is what i was thinking of doing on 8 week cycle

    week
    1 250mg testex
    2 250mg testex
    3 250mg testex, 1ml sust
    4 250mg testex, 1ml sust
    5 250mg testex, 1ml sust
    6 250mg testex, 1ml sust
    7 250mg testex
    8 250mg testex
    my stats are
    male
    age 27
    weight 240 at 12% body fat

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    help please

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteykauai
    why are you adding sust. to another test.?
    cuz i had it laying around...lol i guess its a no no

    is that a high enough dosage for the testex?

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    well people... thks for your advices! Think definitly my first should be test E only, just to know how runs on me, better with some arimidex on side or some anti-estr!

    From some opinions i took, and since that i'm a light guy (150) should add
    some weight with diet and when i'm on 185/90 pnds should be prepared to run some gear!

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    Good job darklight now stick to your decision.

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