Thread: Test is Test- Good Read
02-13-2004, 11:44 PM #1
Test is Test- Good Read
I saw this over at AB, builds upon the theory I read in Anabolic 2002 a while back i, I happen to agree with it, but do acknowledge that there are different reactions to diff esters....enjoy
i read this on SM ,and thought some of you would enjoy the read ..ITS FROM A GOOD MOD OVER THERE INTIMID8OR3
I know we have heard this for years but but it seems
many users "even the old timers" Find a hard time
understanding the concept of them being the
The only difference in PROP, ENATHATE AND
CYPIONATE is the ester attached to each one ....the
ester makes the steroid disolve poorly in water but
well in OIL..This gives the steroid fat like
properties making So after its injected its low
affinity to disolve in water will make it take longer
to be absorbed in the bloodstream....
The injected roid
can sit dorment for days even weeks before the body is
fully able to utilize it...a loose rule of thumb is
the larger the ester is the larger percent of fatty
acid will be in your compound.....and the more fat
like the compound will be...
ACETATE for example is a
short ester of only two carbon atoms and extends
steroid release for only couple of days ...acatate
componds need to be injected sevaral times a week in
order to keep blood levels steady ...DECANOATE on the
other hand is a long chain ester with eleven carbons
and is capable of delivering its steroid to the blood
over a peroind of three weeks or
more.....phenylpropionate is an exception to the
rule,it contains nine carbon atoms but not the classic
straight chain you see with most esters its structure
gives it a moderate level of oil-soluability and
extends the steroid life for only a couple days longer
Each ester gives you a different
option .....for example you can inject 100mgs of prop
and you will get most of that hormone into your body
within a few days by the time youve had your third
shot maybe the middle of your second week you probably
already have 200mgs of active testosterone in your
body ...you are likely to notice the anabolic affects
of a drug like this pretty quick.......If you were to
take the same 200mg in the form of DECANOATE you'd
still be waiting for it to kick in making it take an
extra week or two for your cycle to kick in .....But
after a few shots the difference between the release
intervals becomes irrelevant ,,,You will ultimately be
getting the same amount of testosterone into your body
with either drug.....
IT IS VITALLY important to
understand that once the esterfied steroid is released
into the bloodstream ,enzymes will remove the ester to
yield the active "free" steroid again...the compond is
totally inactive until this happens ,the presence of
the ester prevents androgen receptor binding ....your
muscle cells will only see free active testosterone
not an esterfied compond like propionate ...
existence of so many different steroid esters has
spawned quite a bit of misinformation about these
componds among bodybuilders,who tend not to understand
that the ester only controls the release not the
some incorrectly believe each form of test
has its own unique binding properties we are
constantly hearing things like take test prop during
your cutting cycle it will produce less water
retention then enathate or cypionate "or" sustanon is
better because it hits four different steroid
receptors ,not one ...when you understand mechanism in
which esters work you immeditaly see the flaw in this
line of thinking .....
How can propionate possibly
cause less estrogen conversion if it yields the same
free steroid than enathate??"
the free testosteron
circulating in the blood doesn't know or care how it
got there and behaves the same way testosterone always
does" ..this info comes from our guru Llewellyn which i
tend to concur with most of his views.....
2 CARBONS freguency of inj 2 to 3 days ,,PROP 3
carbons freguency of inj 3 days .......ENATHATE 7
CARBONS Freguency of inj 1 week...cypionate 8 carbons
freguency of inj 1 week,,,DECANOATE 10 CARBONS
FREGUENCY OF INJ 10 TO 12 DAYS .....SORRY THIS WAS SO
LONG BUT I FIND IT GOOD INFO TO KNOW ...TAKE CARE
02-14-2004, 01:39 AM #2Junior Member
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Thanks for the read!
02-14-2004, 03:52 AM #3
Good read - test is test. Although the ester attached determines how much free testosterone you get per mg (minus the ester's weight) as well the pattern on how it is released. Just need to administer to keep even androgen levels...
To add to your info here is an article by Bill Roberts:
"This is important. If testosterone itself is given in oil solution, it transfers too easily from oil to the water in the blood. The result is that an oil injection of testosterone gives a sudden spike in testosterone levels , which rapidly drops. Injections would be required at least twice per day, and perhaps even more often. Improving the oil solubility and decreasing the water solubility slows this transfer, and extends the half-life of the drug to several days or more.
The number of carbons also has a small effect in that it reduces the parent drug’s proportion of the total weight. E.g., it would take 344 mg of testosterone propionate , or 401 mg of testosterone enanthate to give the same amount of testosterone as in 288 mg of testosterone suspension ..." Anabolic Steroid Esters
02-14-2004, 04:44 AM #4
Thanks for the info!
02-14-2004, 04:53 AM #5
02-14-2004, 09:13 AM #6
This was a good read. I just saved it to my hard drive.
02-14-2004, 10:12 AM #7
I agree test is test. The ester is what determines how much you got in what amount of time as mentioned. This is why with cyp and enan you'll get a higher build up of test and prop you blood concentration don't get as high. This is what causes water retention the build up.
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