from experience, which of the two has given you better gains and less side affects ? what side affects have you got from them?
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from experience, which of the two has given you better gains and less side affects ? what side affects have you got from them?
Both have the possibility of giving a person unwanted sides (aggression, acne, gyno, hairloss, etc.) You can't really compare one to the other, it more so depends on the person taking them. I'd say for gains test prop gets my vote over enanthate any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
prop = harder muscle w/ more quality gains, little to no water retention
enan = more quantity muscle gains w/ more water retention than prop
yeah i was thinking of prop, i know everyone is different but i know certaint AS can triggers things more than another AS I just dont want my libido shut down or gyno. But i heard test makes u horny like hell. i just couldn't remember if it was any kind of tes or prop or cyp or en?
im not going on a cycle anytime soon i am just trying to research now so when i do decide to go for one i will know what i am doing.
You won't have to worry about your libido shutting down if you include ANY type of test (cyp, prop, enan, sus, supension, etc.) in your cycle, BUT you may have to worry about gyno if you are prone to it, just be sure to have nolva on hand and you're good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
yeah something like this for my first cycle...
wk 1-12 ....400mg test prop?
wk 1-11.... 200mg deca
wk 1-18 nolva..... 10mg everday all the way
wk 15-18 clomid 300mg first day.day 2-11 100mg.12-21 50mg.
but sometimes i do have itchy nipples and i have never took an AS before so do you think i might be more prone to it?
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test is test is test, it's the same exact compound with different esthers attatched, yes, you can put on more water weight with test e, but the size and strength gains should be the same, if you dose them evenly, you can almost eliminate the water gain from test e with ldex
test is test......... BUT you can control the sides alot easier with prop b./c its MUCH shorter half life.. if you realise you need to cut back then you will be able to alot easier with prop.. same if u realise you need to get the hell of of Test.. enathate with still be working 2 weeks after you quit.. but prop will stop 2-3 days after
it really depends on how often youwant to shoot.
they both get my vote...!
exactly, I prefer the lower water retention of PROP, but my work travel habits won't allow for ED or even EOD injections so I use CYP.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog81
i prefer to start or end my cycles with prop.
starting gives a jump to the cycle, while ending with prop enables me to start my pct sooner, and i can fill the 2 week gap with a fast acting test.
my test of choice will always be enan.......although i've used cyp as well.
peace I4L
thanks but do you think like...how i said i some times had itchy nipples not every day but once in a while i notice my self having itchy nipples do you think i would be more prone to have gyno?
my first cycle will look something like this of course with the test as the base of my cycle..
wk 1-12 ....400mg test prop
wk 1-11.... 200mg deca
wk 1-18 nolva..... 10mg everday all the way
wk 15-18 clomid 300mg first day.day 2-11 100mg.12-21 50mg.
or i might go with iron4life and go with enan from SL. Any one here heard good reviews from shanghai labs? the names stated are for my enjoyment only and is not proof that they exist.
Are you ready to shoot ed or eod?How much prop you doing ed?60mgs?Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
Your deca dose is rather low,I'd bring it to 400mgs and test to 500mgs.And I'd switch to test e if I were you.I'm not sure your up for all the injections yet.
does anyone know if i will be more prone to gyno? i appreciate the help from you guys but still haven't had both my questions answered!!
The only way to tell is you will be prone to gyno is to do a cycle and see if you start having signs and symptoms of gyno.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
ok thank you, now with that answered how does the cycle look? and how is test en from sl?
Read above............Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
wk 1-12 ....500mg test prop
wk 1-11.... 400mg deca
wk 1-18 nolva..... 10mg everday all the way
wk 15-18 clomid 300mg first day.day 2-11 100mg.12-21 50mg.
ok, but i didn't want to go with so much deca and test since it will be my first cycle, even though i heard the first cycle is always the best.
I'd still switch to test e if I were you,you'll only have to do 2 shots wkly....and 500mgs of test is not a high dose by any means..IMO..this is what most newbies run there first time.......but you also have the low dose advocates that will say different........look above at Ron's sticky and read.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
go with enan for your first.
You could go with 400mgs/week of test and 300mgs/week of deca and have GREAT results for a first cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
Ok bros, correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't he should start PCT 3 DAYS after his last prop injection NOT 3 WEEKS, it would be 3 weeks if he were taking cyp, 2 weeks for enan, and 3 days for prop, etc?
Also, up your nolva to 20 mgs when you start PCT, but you can keep it at 10mg during your cycle.
sorry i mean to say enanthate.... I was told its really not alot but i am just mostly worried about the gyno but i think i have my pct in tact and i was told if i started to see sighns of gyno up the nolva from 10 to 20 mg's till it goes away and bring it back down to 10 mg's, is this true? because ome people have also told me to not take nolva at all untill i see sighns of gyno
no i have to waitr for the test to leave the system first, right?? isn't it sumthing to do with its half life nd how long it takes for the test to leave my body? thats why i ended the deca a week earlier because the deca takes a week longer? at least thats what i thought...
no sorry get pumped you were right...my cycle will look just like this...
wk 1-12 ....500mg test e
wk 1-11.... 400mg deca
wk 1-17 nolva..... 10mg everday all the way- PCT 20 mg's a day
wk 14-17 clomid 300mg first day.day 2-11 100mg.12-21 50mg.
It should look like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
wks 1-12 500mgs/week test e
wks 1-11 400mgs/week deca
wks 1-13 nolva 10mgs ED
wks 14-16 clomid at 300/100/50 and nolva at 20mgs ED
yeah thats exactly what i said above..thanks for the help though guys i appreciate it..
No bro your weeks for your PCT were off. You will only run your PCT to week 16 NOT 17, if you ran it to week 17 that would be 4 weeks of PCT not 3. Count week 14, 15, and 16, that is 3 weeks of PCT. Good luck bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilVito469
ahh i see i didn't mean to count 4 weeks for PCT. Thanks for all the help
enan. is better than prop in my opinion. I like to poke and all but I can get just as lean with enan. if I eat right and do more cardio. Hell the leanest I have ever looked was summer and I was on enan. and d-bol.LOL I would go with anan. and enan. only for your first cycle you will get great gains and save some money. The first one should always be to get your feelers out there. don't rush, you'll be pleased.
Whatcha gonna do.....