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    jcp is offline New Member
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    pct after primo?

    I've been trying to study as much as I can about life expectancy of steroids and pct after doing a cycle. I have gotten great info on AR, but wanted to know if someone could tell me how long I should go before doing my pct after a cycle on primo? Plus if it's like deca and should be at least two to three weeks I've read that prop would be a good steriod to use during this time. Up to three days before pct.

    By the way I,m doing a bulking cycle first with d-bol and sus.
    1wk 3d-bol/day, sus 250mg every 4 days
    2,3 wk 4d-bol/day, sus 250mg every 4 days
    4wk 3d-bol/day, sus 250mg every 4 days
    5-10wk 250mg sus every 4 days
    11,12wks hcg 2500iu's every 5 days for 15days

    Then right after a cutting cycle with masteron and primo.
    1-4wks 100mg mast. and primo every 3 days
    5-8wks 100mg primo every 3 days
    clomid after

    prov and nolv during the bulking cycle only. I've read that masteron and primo do not effect estrogen levels. Is what I've read true?

    I have done a sus d-bol cycle in the past and had good gains.

    age 29
    5' 9"

    hope this all does not seem to be to stupid I am still new and looking for as much info as I can get

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    How good were ur gains with sust if ur only 150lbs?

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    [QUOTE=unhcj]How good were ur gains with sust if ur only 150lbs? [/QUOT

    I did'nt do any pct after the cycle (dumb) so after if was all said and done I had kept eight solid #'s, I try to work out just as hard now as I did during my cycle which I think helped me keep some of my gains. Inturn I would like to do it right this time around with proper stacking and pct.

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    hey bro heres a good read on primo....but at your weight id work on your diet to increase mass instead of roids....

    written by bigmikey230...

    methenolone enanthate

    Active Life: 10-14 days
    Drug Class: Anabolic /Androgenic Steroid (for injection)
    Average Dose: Men 200-400 mg/week......Women 50-100 mg/week
    Acne: Yes, mainly in higher doses
    Water Retention: Low
    High Blood Pressure: Rare
    Liver Toxic: Low
    Aromatization: None
    DHT Conversion: None
    Decrease HPTA function: Yes

    Primobolan ® Depot is the injectable version of the steroid methenolone. It is the same compound as the one in Primobolan Orals (methenolone acetate), both produced by Schering. In this injectable version, an enanthate ester is added to the steroid, which makes for a slow and gradual release from the site of injection. Its length of activity would thus be quite similar to Testosterone enanthate , with blood levels remaining elevated for approximately two weeks. Methenolone itself is a long acting anabolic, with extremely low androgenic properties. It's anabolic effect is also quite mild, its potency is considered to be slightly less than DecaDurabolin (nandrolone decanoate) on a milligram for milligram basis. For this reason, Primobolan is most commonly used during cutting cycles when a mass increase is not the main goal. Some athletes do prefer to combine a mild anabolic like "Primo" with bulking drugs such as Dianabol , Anadrol , or testosterone however, presumably to lower the overall androgen dosage and minimize uncomfortable side effects. When choosing between Primobolan versions, the injectable is preferred over the oral, as it is much more cost effective.

    Since Primobolan does not convert to estrogen, it displays many favorable characteristics. Estrogen related side effects should therefore not be seen at all when using this steroid. Sensitive individuals need not worry about developing gynecomastia , nor should they be noticing any water retention with this drug. The gains seen with Primobolan will be only quality muscle mass, and not the smooth bloat which accompanies most steroids open to aromatization. During a cycle the user should additionally not have much trouble with blood pressure values, as this effect is also related (generally) to estrogen and water retention. At a moderate dosage of 100-200mg weekly, Primobolan should also not interfere with endogenous testosterone levels as much as when taking an injectable nandrolone or testosterone. At higher dosages strong testosterone suppression will be noticed, as all steroids can act to suppress testosterone production at a given dosage. Here of course a proper post cycle therapy is a must.

    Side effects in general are usually not much of a problem with Primobolan Depot. There is a chance one will notice a few residual androgenic effects such as oily skin, acne, increased facial/body hair growth or an aggravation of male pattern baldness condition. This steroid is still very mild however, and such problems are typically dose related. Women will in fact find this preparation mild enough to use in most cases, observing it to be a very comfortable and effective anabolic. If both the oral and injectable were available for purchase, the faster acting oral should probably be given preference however. This is simply due to the fact that blood hormone levels are more difficult to control with a slow acting injectable, the user also having to wait many days for steroid levels to diminish if side effects become noticeable. Overall, Primobolan Depot is actually considered to be one of the safest anabolic steroids available. Steroid novices, older athletes or those sensitive to side effects would undoubtedly find it a very favorable drug to use. The typical "safe" dosage for men is 100-200mg per week, a level that should produce at least some noticeable muscle growth. It is not uncommon, however, for a bodybuilder to take as much as 600 or 800mg per week, a range which appears to be actually quite productive. Of course androgenic side effects may become more pronounced with such an amount, but in most instances it should still be quite tolerable.

    In addition, it is most popular for male bodybuilders to stack Primobolan with other steroids in order to obtain a faster and more enhanced effect. During a dieting or cutting phase, a non-aromatizing androgen like Halotestin or trenbolone can be added. The strong androgenic component should help to bring about an added density and hardness to the muscles. On the other hand (or in addition) we could add Winstrol , another mild anabolic steroid. The result of this combination should again be a notable increase of muscle mass and hardness, but in this case the gain should not be accompanied by greatly increased side effects. As mentioned earlier, Primobolan Depot is also used effectively during bulking phases of training. The addition of testosterone, Dianabol or Anadrol would prove quite effective for adding new muscle mass. Of course we would have to deal with estrogenic side effects, but in such cases Primobolan should allow the user to take a much lower dosage of the more "toxic" drug and still receive acceptable results.

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    good info.
    try and get your results from the kitchen as much as possible.
    and i would not go right in to a cutting cycle first off. imo++
    wk 1-6 dbol 30mg day
    wk 1-10 500mg test en. or cyp
    wk 1-10 300mg EQ..
    pct thats a simple cycle...not too much bulk but you stay hard.

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    Thanks for the info it really helps. I don't have a real diet just because I have low bf at 150#'s it's at 7%. So I do eat anything I can high in calories, but try to stay away from alot of fat. I will stick with the bulk cycle first and see what kind of gains I can get. Plus maybe throw some test prop into the mix at the end of the cycle before pct.

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