1st cycle

[PJK015]

hey, i posted what i thought was going to be my cycle last week, so i apologize to those that already read my other post and thank you for the input which helped me come up with this.

i want to get a kick before i start to feel the enan, so i wanted to go with test prop, hoping to get more solid gains than i would with dbol . what do you think about the winstrol ? should i run it all 8 weeks or toss it completely??

test enan 1-10 500mg/wk
test prop 1-3 50 mg ED
winstrol 1-8 50 mg EOD
novla 1- 16 10 mg ED, then 20mg ED for pct
l-dex 1-16 .25 mg ED
clomid 2 weeks after last shot of enan, 300mg day 1, 100mg ED for next 10 days, then 50mg ED for next 10 days

thanks a lot

[Mr. Sparkle]

Why do you feel you need the winny? Id toss it personally. Other than that I think it looks great. And it wouldnt be a bad Idea if you bump it to 12 weeks. I can tell that you did your homework. BTW is this your first cycle?

[PJK015]

Why do you feel you need the winny? Id toss it personally. Other than that I think it looks great. I can tell that you did your homework. BTW is this your first cycle?

ive researching this for a long time now, glad that it is noticed.
i want to run the winny to give me a few extra pounds of solid muscle and to help keep me on the ripped side, i guess im also hoping it will help with some water retention

[symatech]

I also suggest you drop the winny. run the prop weeks 1-4 at 75mg/ed and bump the test to 12 weeks like sparkle said.

[Mr. Sparkle]

You probally wont have water retention do to the l-dex. If you have some then run it if you would like. Sounds like a plan. BTW did you see my edit, it might be a good idea to extend it to 12 weeks.

[PJK015]

ok, so up the prop and extend it to 4 weeks and enan to 12
and about the winny, if i were to throw it in, say 8-12, just to help me get a harder look as i get close to the end, could i expect much of a difference, or will i not even notice it over the test??

[symatech]

i still suggest you drop the winny. run the l-dex it takes care of more than bloat. it impedes the conversion to estrogen, nolvadex simply blocks the receptors. run them both and you have all angles covered.

[fabry]

drop the winny! i was asking for same cycle (dbol instead of prop and winny at the end) several times but was ALWAYS told to leave winny apart and save it for another cycle!
(then, if you "can't stop thinkin of it" you can always "try" to add it - the winny - later in your cycle)
good luck!

[PJK015]

ok, so im gettin the impression to just completly drop the winny

thanks for replies

[Mr. Sparkle]

I think winny is way over rated!

[Pheedno]

Drop the winny, run the Enan 250mg E4D, and extend the prop to 4wks