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    help me out fellas

    let me know if this is a good beginner cycle. but keep in mind im trying to cut back on the water retention.
    week1-8 sust. 250 1cc/week
    week1-5 winny tabs 50mg/eod
    start clomid after im done

    let me know of any suggestions thanks

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    not good. search for first cycle, it will be there. ldex for bloat

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    whats wrong with this cycle? i dont want to take test enth. by itself b/c of the water retention. and winny and sust. i thought were fairly mild. im not going for huge gains. please help me set up a cycle with gear that wont make me look like a balloon.
    thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactruck42
    let me know if this is a good beginner cycle. but keep in mind im trying to cut back on the water retention.
    week1-8 sust. 250 1cc/week
    week1-5 winny tabs 50mg/eod
    start clomid after im done

    let me know of any suggestions thanks
    first thing is your jump starting with winny, not a good choice, you got your cycle is backwards
    do this if your gonna use sus on your first cycle (eth or cyp would be a much better choice)

    sus 1-12 /500mgs
    winny 7-12/50mg ed

    take liquidex, arimidex , for water retention, theres lots out there that helps keep water retentions to a minimal
    Last edited by popa; 02-19-2004 at 09:49 PM.

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    nolvadex and ldex will keep down the water retention.. sust is not a good choice unless you want to do more frequent injections. if you do a little research on sust youll understand.
    peace

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    sust

    if your set on not taking test e then sust will be fine just make sure you inject atleast e3d. no if ands or buts. and atleast run it for 10 weeks really 12 but 10 will be ok for a first. second if your set on running winny run it weeks 5-12 i guess depending on how many weeks you decide on. by the way why dont you drop us some stats goals etc.

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    it's a little short, and the dosages are a little low.

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    i messed up the winny i meant to take it for the last 5 weeks. not the first 5.
    how about this
    weeks 1-10 test enathate 400mg/week
    weeks 5-10 winny tabs 50mg/eod
    nolvadex 5mg/day through out cycle
    start clomid 14 days after last injection

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactruck42
    i messed up the winny i meant to take it for the last 5 weeks. not the first 5.
    how about this
    weeks 1-10 test enathate 400mg/week
    weeks 5-10 winny tabs 50mg/eod
    nolvadex 5mg/day through out cycle
    start clomid 14 days after last injection
    take 10-20mgs of nolva ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactruck42
    i messed up the winny i meant to take it for the last 5 weeks. not the first 5.
    how about this
    weeks 1-10 test enathate 400mg/week
    weeks 5-10 winny tabs 50mg/eod
    nolvadex 5mg/day through out cycle
    start clomid 14 days after last injection
    I like the test part, but dont think winny is a good idea for a rookie.

    How will you know what is producing any undesired effects? The test will be kicking in around week 5 and the winny will kick in quickly......not what I would recommend at all.

    D

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    what is the problem with taking winny tabs as a newbie? wont it produce small strenght and size gains? and i thought it was pretty mild stuff, besides the high toxicity to the liver. if you dont suggest winny tabs then what else would you recommend thats mild? i thought about eq but its too many injections. thanks for your help fellas , keep the ideas coming.

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    winny is hard on the joints. Winny will dry out the water ,and the test may or may not add some. But the fact of the matter is, you are jumping into something you have never tried before. Spring break time huh??

    Well you may do yourself more harm than good. Take the test first!! If you take both and you start having some bad sides, you will have no idea which ones is causing it. Test is a base for all cycles.. i dont care which kind. So you will need to know how you react to it.

    IMO the test will cause some water retention,but with the Ldex you may experience little to none at all which is why you need to start out with it to see. the winny causes the joints to dry "which is mainly made up of water"

    do the math

    good luck and research!!!

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