test 8 monther// body is fryed

[mrmanners]

This forum is ment for questions like thease......It makes me angry when someone had a valid question(as far as you or I know) and them someone posts....."Are you serious?"........"No way"...."This cant be true"..........The man has a problem and he needs mature answers.

If you have arent going to post something to help the man, then why post in it????.............Just to get your post count up.

Right on PurePower

I signed up to get some straight facts or clarifications. To sit high and ****ing mighty on a horse and ridicule someone elses worries solves nothing, but at best makes you look ignorant.

I wish I had the answers for this dude. The doctors office definitely; run some blood work: Metabolic, Lipid, CBC, ESR, and Testosterone panel. Now you know where you're at. Go from there.

MrManners

[BUYLONGTERM]

Well, if your real Dr. doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing (like mine) I suggest you ask him to refer you to an endocrinologist.

[tryingtogetbig]

Well, if your real Dr. doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing (like mine) I suggest you ask him to refer you to an endocrinologist.

Definitely a good idea!

[Paranoid]

I would do PCT as follows:

Week 1-3 HCG 500i.u ED
Week 1-8 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 8-10 Nolvadex 10mg ED
Week 5-7 Clomid 100mg ED
Week 8-10 Clomid 50mg ED

Some might see this as overkill, but based on many medical references with regards to PCT, I believe that such an intense recovery regime is inorder.

[Jjdigs74]

Im heading to the docs office in 20 min! Im hoping there will be some tests done and i can start to understand what iv done and how to correct it. My fear is that he know's nothing about AS use, and isn't going to know the correct way to help me. Im heading in there with a clear head of what im going to say and i am just going to be honest with him and ask him what he thinks. 1 day at a time and before you know it ill be back on my feet again...

[Jjdigs74]

Back from the docs visit and i have ok news. one i just want to say that i am feeling allitle better about my situation and the fact that i got out to the docs office and did what i had to do! I had blood work done for all types of test's ( liver, testosterone , thyroid )
The bad news is that i felt like he didn;t know to much about AS. When i mention'd to him about hcg , clomid, nolva for my pct he didn;t know of them?!?!? i tryed to explain to him that i thought the estrogen would cause me to get gyno or start to take over my body and i think he wants to naturaly let this come out of my system! is this ok? i mean should i check another docs opinion or should i be comfortable with knowing he;s an MD and he know's best? Half of me says, "yes hes a doctor" but does he know what im going through? does he know the side effects if we just let this go? I don't want to end up all messed up because i listened to someone that really didn't know the answer's and just lead me on.
I guess my big question is....? do i run my pct like all these guys are saying or should i listen to my doctor??? help

[tryingtogetbig]

You wait and see what your doctor says. How soon until you get the results back?

peace,

ttgb

[Jjdigs74]

He said in a couple of days the tests should be in. He will call and make an appt. for me to come in and see him, on what we are going to do. stupid question... but whats an endocrinologist????
I know about my recovery in the sense that there are things i will have to go through and that's it. But what are some of the things i can do, to better myself that i have control of. I know lots of cardio and staying in the gym will be my best bet. But anyone have any good remmedies to speed the flushing stages. I looked for B5 at the stop and shop and they don;t carry it. I heard thats good for your skin....?

[Jjdigs74]

Day 2

(PM)

Doctors was alittle better today.Blood work done and waiting results. Felt better after talking with doctor, he made me feel like there was a light at the end of the tunnel. Left the docs and went right to the super market and grabb'd nothing but healthy food. Lots of chicken and veggies with high proteins. NO SUGARS!!! I realize that my diet has to be spot on as of this point. Drank 2 gallons of water today.Also picked up skin products at store. An exfoliator for the dead skin/ regular wash for mornings/ and a oilless lotion to help with my face. The bloat in my face continues but after washing with new products doesn't feel as nasty. No Offical weight today but i can tell that i am lossing muscle. My arms don;t look as full as they did a week ago. Im tired and i realize sleep is and important part in this recovery so goodnight for now ....

[Umberto]

You should DEFINATELY go see an Endocronologist.
An Endocronologist is a doctor that specializes in bodily hormones.
He will be a hell of a lot more help.
Regular MD's deal with general health problems and have a limited knowledge of specialized symptoms, diseases, disorderes, ect. You have a SPECIAL problem that needs a SPECIALIST's help.

8 months is a long time, You must realize that your body has not produced testosterone in about 7 months, that is a long time. Possibly too long for recovery. The doctor will be able to help.

In the mean time you gotta do these things:
1. Eat healthy, but dont totally neglect fats. Your body needs fats and cholesterol for optimum test production.
2. Take zinc and magnesium. Also Take creatine to help you retain size and strength post cycle.
3. Focus on heavy weights and cut back on sets, reps and isolation movements. Your not gonna gain muscle. You can probably only wish to maintain muscle.
4. Hope is not lost, You can regain a healthy lifestyle.
5. 6'3 230lbs at 12% is good size bro. Living healthy will help you regain some lost confidence. You just have to focus on rebuilding your lifestyle.
6. Dont go overboard on cardio. Keep it at low intensity. You dont want to go overboard and loose muscle.

[markas214]

Bro i would seriously get some clomid and run it like this:

300mg-First day

100mg 20 days

50mg 20 days

You should have included HCG in the cycle bro.

Looks like good advice. But I'd run the 50 mg for 40-60 days. I read a study where 3 months of clomid was used and the results were normal test levels. It's posted on this board somewhere. I wouldn't worry too much about being "permanetly" shut down. Guys will stay on for years using much more than you and after a few months off be able to get there wife pregnant.

[Jjdigs74]

Day 3

( AM )

Awake at 6 30 im so very tired.... I feel drained of everything, and i got good sleep last night. Losing muscle and strength! packed a big lunch with turkey to snack on all day. Going to work then the gym after. Going to look into the endo doc today, maybe make an appt! thanks for the info guys... peace and hair grease

[Jjdigs74]

Anyone had Liver/thyriod/testosterone tests done? maybe post some results so i know what to compair to when i get tests back....?

[tryingtogetbig]

I never have...but many of the bros have had them done.....you might try doing a search here on AR and see if you can find any older threads on it....

Did you go to the gym today?

[Jjdigs74]

Day 2

( PM )

Felt better today but still no where nerly 100%. My skin feels better with the new face scrub im using. @ work towards the end of the day i was ripped about something and i just remmeber how made i got and its scary. My attitude sucks and i know it. I lifted today and felt fine. Normally i would get 250 up for 8 or 9 but today was lower more like 5.Still got a good pump.
Ate awsome today......NO SUGAR.... lots of water
Hopefully my test results will be back soon, ill post when i get them in
Night bro's.......lift hard

[dawgy52]

Good luck Jjdigs I know you will get thrugh this!

[Hughhefner6]

Bro

I’ve been doing a lot of reading about year long cycles and Bridging. This is what I would do if I where in your situation, first don't drop the Test right now go shopping instead. Buy 10000ui of HCG , 10g of Test Prop, Nolva 80caps/20mg=1600mg, Clomid 50caps/50mg=2500mg and if you still have money left over buy some Tribulus and ZMA.

Run it like this:

Test Prop @ 50mg Every 3 Days Weeks 1-10
HCG @ 500ui E3D Weeks 1-9
Nolva 1cap/20mg EOD Weeks 1-10
Tribulus 3000mg ED
ZMA ED

PCT:
Start Three Days after Last Shot of Prop
Nolva Day 1-15 2cap/20mg
Nolva Day 16-31 1cap/20mg
Clomid Day 1 6caps/50mg=300mg
Clomid Day 2-16 2caps/50mg=100mg
Clomid Day 17-31 1cap/50mg
Tribulus 3000mg ED
ZMA ED

Ok now the reasons for running it like this. Keep the Test Prop because you don’t want to crash, a normal male produces 75mg of test a week so at that dose you should stay sane and keep your gains. You can go higher but it is kind of a waste of money you're not going to grow. I’m not one that believes in high doses of HCG, I believe in lower does spread out. HCG will help wake up your boys and get them ready to start producing natural test again. Stop HCG at least one week before PCT because it can interfere with your natural test production. Make sure you run Nolva during PCT so people even believe that it is better then Clomid, I personally believe in running both. Tribulus and ZMA are not needed, they’re kind of a controversy some believe they work and some don’t but they won’t do any harm, I recommend your run them. I also know people who use Creatine to help prevent losing to much muscle, you can run it one month before PCT and all the way throw PCT but it should cut out after two months. Get some milk thistle and/or ALA and/or Tyler Liver Detox and you might want to get something for your prostate such as Beta Sitosterol which is the active ingredient in Saw Palmetto. You should also get your Liver, Kidneys and Test levels checked, sorry to brake the bad news but even with my suggestions stuff still might be messed up and you might be a candidate for HRT. Ask your doc if he knows and can refer you to another doc that knows more about juice. You are still young and so you can rebound.

Oh and South Beach…..You might want to skip it your health is more important and if your going to South Beach at that time then that means you are going for spring brake and that means drinking and that’s the last thing your liver needs. So skip South Beach and make up for it next year .

Mr. Hefner

[Jjdigs74]

Thanks for the info bro. As for the south beach im going down with my fiance so its nothing crazy! But im all det with more test, im looking at what you wrote and its interesting, but for right now im going to follow the doctor's advise and just stop! I haven't stopped cold turkey i did taper down and its been a while since my last shot. I understand that i might have messed my body up and i know i have a long recovery but i have plans to just do it! iv faced this before kinda, and i know its going to suck and be a pain, but im going to do it get better and once im back to me again ill be back at it ( the right way ) Thanks for the info ill take the pct info from it...

Day 3

(AM )

I feel so tired i can;t even hold my eyes open! I look smaller in the miror and feel like im lossing some muscle. Weighed in @ 220 last night at gym! Still no pct or any recovery methods being used. Waiting for doctors notes and advise also still waiting for shippment of nolva/clomid. Skin feels better, softer and smoother. Still the color and texture sucks. Can't wait until this is out of my body! Later bro's

[Ben Lifton]

...did you find an endocrinologist yet? If you on your way to SB, Fla. See if you can get in down there w/ a life extensions / HRT clinic... they are all over the place. They should have the correct battery on tests to run for you.

[Jjdigs74]

Why down there compar'd to Here in New England? I guess im confussed on the HRT programs. What kind of programs do they put you through or put you on rather. All i know is that an endocrinolgist helps with hormone replacement! Im lost as to why i would do what you say in florida. Do you go in for treatments??? thanks

[Jjdigs74]

Maybe a dumb question and i think i already know the answer! I ordered my pct gear and it won;t be in for another week. Nolva/clomid 50/50 100 in total. I have 6 clomids left and am not sure if they can be of some use now. My worry is that if my pct gear doesn;t come in on time and i have to break from clomid only after so many days, will it effect me? Will that just mess things up more? Hows the best if any to take these clomids? 6 in total!

[Jjdigs74]

Day 5

(AM)

Missed yesterdays late night post, was out and about with the boys causing hell! Was bad last night and regret it in the AM... I was drinkin and doin coke last night, knowing thats not a way to a good recovery. As of now i feel great, went tanning yesterday and it might have made me feel and look ALOT better. Did some small lifting at the house, nothing nutz. Still have a good pump when working out, only thing noticable is when i wake up i don;t look as big as i did a month or two ago. Things tend to change later in the day when the blood is flowing more, but still a change that i can tell. lift hard bros....

[BUYLONGTERM]

Day 5

(AM)

Missed yesterdays late night post, was out and about with the boys causing hell! Was bad last night and regret it in the AM... I was drinkin and doin coke last night, knowing thats not a way to a good recovery. As of now i feel great, went tanning yesterday and it might have made me feel and look ALOT better. Did some small lifting at the house, nothing nutz. Still have a good pump when working out, only thing noticable is when i wake up i don;t look as big as i did a month or two ago. Things tend to change later in the day when the blood is flowing more, but still a change that i can tell. lift hard bros....

Bro, NO FLAME, but you feel like total ****, and your drinking and doing COKE? You might have more problems then just hoping to get your test levels back. STOP everything and try to get HEALTHY! That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!!!!

[Vibrantred94gt]

Day 5

(AM)

Missed yesterdays late night post, was out and about with the boys causing hell! Was bad last night and regret it in the AM... I was drinkin and doin coke last night, knowing thats not a way to a good recovery. As of now i feel great, went tanning yesterday and it might have made me feel and look ALOT better. Did some small lifting at the house, nothing nutz. Still have a good pump when working out, only thing noticable is when i wake up i don;t look as big as i did a month or two ago. Things tend to change later in the day when the blood is flowing more, but still a change that i can tell. lift hard bros....

LOL! This should be a sticky...... just for kicks!

[Jjdigs74]

I hear ya, but it happened and i can;t do much about it now! with regards to last night it was all around dumb for me to even be out. Not making an excuss for me doing drugs last night at all, but i can't just stay in and shelter myself from the real world. I did that last time and i was a misserable mess. I just have to figure out a way to be social and the happy medium that goes with that. As for me getting healthy i think it will be best to stay away from the drinking and staying out till the early hours of the morning. Its just not worth it...

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

hehe... you are so crazy its not even funny... lol.. ok it is.. well I don't think a little coke is gonna hurt you too bad so no big deal... and I didn't read every post inbetween but I get the jist of whats going on.... you did a long ass cycle... so what? these guys are acting like the pros don't do cycles just as long if not MUCH longer or year round with like 5X as many drugs.. Come on now.. your gonna crash and burn a little but you get on your clomid/nolva and in my opinion MOST IMPORTANTLY HCG and you'll be good to go in a few months... The HCG is gonna boost your natural test way faster so that you can actually save some of those gains for the beach... assuming its still a concern... I personally wouldn't do anything that long... but I think that your natural levels will even themselves out just fine... don't stress about it... Just do your PCT right. (HCG)

[Vibrantred94gt]

Ya, I was wondering about that aspect of this whole thing. I read on here about people being on for a year. I was just thinking it was the sus that was maybe the crazy part??? I don't know, I am no expert but I do know that I wouldn't stay on that long either. Maybe everyone is just freaking out becuase of the way you said you were feeling and just kept on going. Bottom line is your body can handle more than you think, like I said, I am no expert. I did meth ed for 2 years, we're talking crazy abuse to the body, and I am just one of thousands. I am healthy as can be as far as I nkow. Just lay off and follow the pct the guys reccomended and you should be fine.

Good luck.

[Billy_Bathgate]

IMO...

First go get some blood work, see where you stand. If needed, get your estrogen/prolactin under control first off. I would also take an initial 500-1000ius HCG for 2 days to start things off.

Second, after the above, I would focus completely on restoring testicular atrophy. Get on some HCG again. I would also switch to a low dose of Prop, 50mg EOD to get read to come off. I preffer ending with a shorter ester and your body is going to have to readapt to a lower dosage as well. For 8mo on, I would probally start with 500ius ED for 3wks (Id also wait about 5-7 days from your initial dose from above).

After this, I would begin with 300mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva.

Then continue with 100mg Clomid + 40mg Nolva for 4wks. AT this point I would re-evaluate my bloodwork.

If your making progress and your testosterone and LH is returning, I would subside to 50mg Clomid and 20mg nolva for 2 more weeks and then stop. IF not, I would continue the preceeding dose for 2 more weeks with more blood work.

Many also like to take Tribulus when recoverying. While its not going to do much for your HTPA directly, I feel that the psycological effect from your sex drive may proove beneficial for it.

After a good 2-4wks subsiding all drugs, I would once again re-evaluate your bloodwork.


Thats what I would do, maybe Doc will add something a bit different though.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Didnt realise you got the bloodwork, nevermind that part. If you want to talk to your doc more about the PCT drugs here is an FYI

Clomid = Clomiphene Citrate
Nolvadex = Tamoxifen Citrate
HCG = Human ChorioGonadotropin

[Jjdigs74]

Day 5

( PM )

Sat night and im home getting ready for bed. No parying tonight and i feel really good for some reason. Tanning helps me feel alive again. No gym today but ate a good amount of protein and carbs for tommorow. Cardio, chest, bi's tommorow. I feel like im getting smaller and i can start to notice a small amount of water in my face to go down. My face looks more defined today.
Funny Note : You are your worst and best cridic of you as a person, your look, your body. Here i am yesterday feeling small and just not in shape. I walk into the bar last night, not even 2 minutes in, the head of security is next to me talking to me about a job working the door? It just goes to show, you critisis yourself to much. What you see and what others see are 2 totally different things! night bros

[Jjdigs74]

day 7

( PM )

Got my test results in and wanted to know what some of you thought! The doctor says they were realitivly good do to the circumstances. Only think was my test levels were still high. Im posting my results......... what do you think?

Testosterone 1008 H 241-827 ng/dl
Free Testosterone > 60.0 H 10.0-55.0 pg/ml

CBC test

wbc 10.9 ( WAS SAID TO BE HIGH ) NORMAL RANGE 4.8 - 10.8 K/mm3
red blood count 5.45
hemoglobin 16.3
Hematocrit 48.2
MCV 88.3
MCH 29.8
MCHC 33.8
RDW 14.5
PLATELET COUNT 247
MPV 8.6
NEUTROPHILS % 72.7
LYMPH % 18.7
MONO % 6.5
EO % 2.0
BA % 0.1

Comp Met Panel, FSH, LH

Glucose, random 91
BUN 20
CREATININE 1.2
SODIUM 1.2
POTASSIUM 4.2
CHLORIDE 100 ( WAS SAID TO BE LOW ) NORMAL RANGE 101-111MEQ/L
CARBON DIOXIDE 30
CALCIUM 9.4
TOTAL PROTEIN 7.0 ALBUMIN 3.9
BILIRUBIN, TOTAL 0.08
AST 50 ( WAS SAID TO BE HIGH ) NORMAL RANGE 10-42 IU/L
ALT 45
ALKALINE PHOS 86
FSH 0.00 ( WAS SAID TO BE LOW??? ) NORMAL RANGE 1.27-19.26 mIU/ML
LH 0.17 ( WAS SAID TO BE LOW???? ) NORMAL RANGE 1.24-8.62 mIU/ML

[chuck89gt5.0]

bump, i wanna know if this dude is in the normal range.....

[Rugby13]

bump, also, whats the normal ranges?

[gripex]

I agree, see a doc and lay off the juice.

What a ****ing retarded reply.

[AnabolicAlien]

i'm a doc and i would do this:

clomid and hcg just as if you had finished a 10 weeker.

novla, your test/estrogen ratio is going to be horrible once off. you don't want gyno.

i would see a doc for a physical and talk about your steroid use ... your liver and kidneys should be able to handle 500-750mg/test per week... i'm sure your lipid profile sucks but at your age i don't think any doc would do anything about it. once you're off the sauce it will correct itself.

continue to train like hell. not doing so may make you depressed. take moderate amounts of stimulants before you lift if you have to.

be patient, you will recover.

get as many blow jobs as possible while you're still jacked.

E.T.

[KAEW44]

8months?? There are some guys on the orum that run gear all year around, but the difference i sthat they knwo ehat they are doing. See your doctor and try to match what the doctor sais with what you read on this forum, not all doctors know much about stroid cycles and PCT so try to gain from both, let the doctor analyze what had changed in your body levels and what needs to be fixed.

Then i would seiously take a year or two off man! i'm serious, regain your natural test levels, take some b-vitamins o clear up your skin, milk thistle and crnberry extract to fix your liver and so on, flax, eveything thats healthy man , spend money on regaining your health instead of buying more gear.

I'm here worrying my butt off about what harmful sides i'll get from a 12week low dose test cycle and your out there doing 8month-ers!!!!!! amazing.

[SaTyR]

This guy is a ****ing joke ! Look at the previous posts he made , I thought you were on sustanon for 8months ???

Posted on 07-23-2004, 09:19 PM

Jjdigs74

"My current cycle is 40mg Var ED/100mg Winny ED/400mg Test E WK. I started the Var and winny before i started my Test to harden up a bit before i started my Test. Some might disagree with this, but i have come to learn my body and how it works with cycle's and i can say i am loving the results. Im about 2 weeks in, and i can say i love the strength gain's and the pump's at the gym are unreal! Var is somewhat expensive but not that expensive for everyone.

My final thought....

Var is working great and i am seeing the results i aiming for. I tend to throw Anavar in with future cycle's."

[SaTyR]

OH COME ON !
I can't believe you guys are digging this.

07-03-2004, 06:17 PM

Jjdigs74

Just came off a fina cycle about a month ago. No insomnia, some nightsweats but nothing like some guys talk about

[AnabolicAlien]

i'm no mod but if that's true i think this guy deserves a:



for wasting our time.

A.A.

[BigSexy50]

i'm no mod but if that's true i think this guy deserves a:



for wasting our time.

A.A.

Agreement