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Guys I have one question: Why does everyone insist on using Test in a cycle?? If you read the novice cycles on this website, they show cycles of Deca only, Eq only , deca and winny, etc. Not many have test involved. I was under the impression that the use of test should be reserved for the time when the lighter stuff is not as effective. I also thought that Test makes you bloat up, and once you stop, your gains diminish quickly as well as strength. Not to mention the danger of gynecomastia and the notion that using test will make it quite obvious to friends/coworkers that you're on the juice. Is this not true?? I mean if you can do a cycle of EQ and winny and end up with 10-15lbs of muscle, and according to this website have a good chance of keeping gains (assuming you follow PCT), and stand a good chance of passing off as a natural athlete, then I dont understand the theory behind adding test. :unsure:
I'm not doubting the experience of this board, however, when you all say "do your research"...if that research is done on this site and some others that give examples of beginner cycles you are clearly led to believe that Test is discouraged until later in the game. Can someone clear this up?? :scratch:

disreguard the sample cycles on the homepage.. they need to be updated...

Do you like to have sex? If you do then you will want to run test in your cycles....... When the other AS have you shut down the test will keep you going.

Gyno....... This is why we use anti-e's in our cycles like nolva, femera, l-dex.........

Natural athlete? Come on bro....... if your running AS then you are not natural anymore so if your called out on it then be a man fess up or keep it to yourself and say you use a lot of proteinf and supps.

That first page has information as old as my Grandfather..... the info you want to research is in here in these forums.

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Originally Posted by codenamecastle

Guys I have one question: Why does everyone insist on using Test in a cycle?? If you read the novice cycles on this website, they show cycles of Deca only, Eq only , deca and winny, etc. Not many have test involved. I was under the impression that the use of test should be reserved for the time when the lighter stuff is not as effective. I also thought that Test makes you bloat up, and once you stop, your gains diminish quickly as well as strength. Not to mention the danger of gynecomastia and the notion that using test will make it quite obvious to friends/coworkers that you're on the juice. Is this not true?? I mean if you can do a cycle of EQ and winny and end up with 10-15lbs of muscle, and according to this website have a good chance of keeping gains (assuming you follow PCT), and stand a good chance of passing off as a natural athlete, then I dont understand the theory behind adding test. :unsure:
I'm not doubting the experience of this board, however, when you all say "do your research"...if that research is done on this site and some others that give examples of beginner cycles you are clearly led to believe that Test is discouraged until later in the game. Can someone clear this up?? :scratch:

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Yes, first, the info on the main page is extremely dated.

Second, to answer all of your questions, spend some time in here reading about everyones experiences and cycles. You will see why we all love test.

Testosterone, along with nandolone and DHT are the basic naturaly occuring male hormones. testosterone is included in all cycles because it is quite simply the end all be all of steroids. It is the middle point of the three hormones: nandrolone is very anabolic and not very androgenic, DHT has no anabolic power whatsoever, but is the most androgenic hormone in the human body. Test is the balance. this is the reason why it is the only steroid suitable to be ran alone. All other synthetic steroids are derivatives of either nandrolone or DHT, and thus have either a very strong anabolic component or a very strong androgenic one. Test is most imortantly included in cycles that have a nandrolone or nandrolone derivative (eq,deca,tren) because of the low androgenic properties of the nandrolones. without androgens (i.e. DHT), depression, impotence, loss of motivation, etc can all ensue. Testosterone is also capable of reducing to estrogen, which is much easier to deal with than its nandrolone counterparts. estrogen can also be beneficial in many ways (but thats a different discussion).

once again... another reason they mainpage cycles need to be updated

if you want to try it yourself go for it...but like MUDD said..do you want to have a limp dick or do you want to gain some good muslce and still function in the world.....and contrary to popular belief testosterone dosen't make you huge and blotted and then you lose everything...not true at all

Test is best. Nuff said. :banana:

covers all the pathways of growth

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Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Do you like to have sex? If you do then you will want to run test in your cycles....... When the other AS have you shut down the test will keep you going.

Gyno....... This is why we use anti-e's in our cycles like nolva, femera, l-dex.........

Natural athlete? Come on bro....... if your running AS then you are not natural anymore so if your called out on it then be a man fess up or keep it to yourself and say you use a lot of proteinf and supps.

That first page has information as old as my Grandfather..... the info you want to research is in here in these forums.

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conversly, you can use viagra or cialis while on a cycle without test to get ur boner up.

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Originally Posted by palequail

.....and contrary to popular belief testosterone dosen't make you huge and blotted and then you lose everything...not true at all

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Test does blow you up, its a very noticable change in one's body, even with lower doses. Even with anti-e's your gains on test are usually far more dramatic than any other steroid. My first time around I got called out alot, and always pulled the McGuire excuse ... lots of creatine and andro.

Comparatively speaking, the gains on a winny only cycle aside from your weight maxes isn't nearly as noticable.

So if you're trying to fly under the radar so to speak there could be something to be said about ommiting test from your cycle. That is if you're prepared to deal with the consequences of doing so.

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Originally Posted by Shortyrock13

conversly, you can use viagra or cialis while on a cycle without test to get ur boner up.

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test is cheaper and more beneficial

I highly value my sex life. And I when my woman is happy, I'm happy. When my woman is unhappy, I am VERY unhappy. With that being said... I EXTREMELY value Test in ANY cycle.

I love test b/c of the gains, and the ability to keep up healthy bodily function. Test rocks. :lift:

Test is what made us men to begin with, besides the extra fun in the bedroom is a blast

Testosterone is the Male Body's Natural Hormone....the rest should be obvious.

And I'm pretty sure that homepage is a little older than Mud's Grandpa actually.....I think Zeus wrote it,,,not sure.
TSW

Why bother doing a 12 week cycle if you're only going to gain 10-15 pounds? That can be done naturally in the same amount of time.

if it's your 1st or even 2nd cycle then you will make huge progress regardless of what your taking.but if you have been cycleing for 10 yrs.your not gonna blow up on test or anything else.trust me.i'm at 272# now and yeah if i wanted to blow up to 300# i could,but that wouldn't be a clean 300#.i'm content staying around the same weight on a cycle but changing my body composition.so if at 270# i have 15%bf and doing a 12week cycle i only gain 5 to 8 lbs but drop my bf down to single digits.then i did something that you cant do naturally.and the change is very noticable.so as far as you blowing up on test,it wont happen.if it did then guys like coleman would be 600#.your only gonna get so big(weight wise)then when you do a cycle your gonna be more specific on drugs and dosages.you only get a couple of cycles to jump 20 to 30# after that it's all about quality of gains.i remember being 19 and taking only 50mg of anadrol/ed for a month and gaining 20#.no chance on that happening again....
i kinda got of track here,i think alot of these questions are from guys who only have one cycle under their belt and not a good one at that,so to you.yeah you will blow up running test with anything else.or even running it alone.and to the guys who have 10 or more cycles under their belt,then you now what i was rambeling about.

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Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Why bother doing a 12 week cycle if you're only going to gain 10-15 pounds? That can be done naturally in the same amount of time.

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i'd like to see someone make those gains naturally in only 12 weeks,hell i'll give you a year and i bet you would come up short natural

i'd like to vote for an updated home-page as well, i'm just a newbie but already sick of the misconceptions.

i my self only researched the home page before starting my first deca only cycle. big mistake. i wish i found the forums earlier.

Try some test and then you will understand TEST RULES!!

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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

i'd like to see someone make those gains naturally in only 12 weeks,hell i'll give you a year and i bet you would come up short natural

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Actually I gained 30 pounds in 3-4 months naturally by changing my diet and cutting cardio. And no, it was not all fat.

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Originally Posted by whiteykauai

i beg to differ, look at chris adams, he is a member on here. he has a journal he gained 15-20lbs in 3 months, naturally. all you have to do is dedicate, and not have reached your genetic limit

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Yeah, what he said.

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Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Actually I gained 30 pounds in 3-4 months naturally by changing my diet and cutting cardio. And no, it was not all fat.

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i'm assuming this was before you ever touched gear and probably when you first started training...seriously...if not,then you would be 1 in a million .30lbs in 3-4 months...naturally.....and all muscle...if you say so bro.

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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

i'm assuming this was before you ever touched gear and probably when you first started training...seriously...if not,then you would be 1 in a million .30lbs in 3-4 months...naturally.....and all muscle...if you say so bro.

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Yes, it was before I ever touched gear. And no it wasn't when I first started training. I had been a gymnast for 20 years and trained with weights for 5 years. I quit gymnastics (cut cardio) and blew the hell up. My body fat increased 2-3%.

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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

if not,then you would be 1 in a million

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Well... I like to think I'm special. :D

**** bro...if you were gymnyst for 20 yrs,that explains alot.you had to be lean as shyt to do all that crazy un-even bar stuff.you had a real good foundation to work with from the get go :dg:

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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG

**** bro...if you were gymnyst for 20 yrs,that explains alot.you had to be lean as shyt to do all that crazy un-even bar stuff.you had a real good foundation to work with from the get go :dg:

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Yes, I was lean. FYI ... girls do uneven bars. Men do high bar and parallel bars.