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    2nd Cycle Questions

    I have been reading the threads on AR for about 4 months now, but this is my first post.
    I have read all of the educational posts but I still have a few questions and need a little advice on my second cycle.

    My goals are basically the following:

    I want to put on some more size, maybe around 15 pounds of quality muscle. But when the cycle is through I don’t want to look watery and puffy. I would rather be a little more cut and vascular.

    A friend of mine who has a decent amount of experience with AS has recommended a cycle as follows; I am not sure about the exact Mgs for each so if anyone could advise I would appreciate it. Stats 5’8 180 lbs.

    Weeks 1-4 Dbol & Deca
    Weeks 5-8 Deca & Sust
    Weeks 9-12 Winstrol & Primabolan
    Week 14 Clomid

    The questions I have regarding this cycle are as follows:
    Is it possible or advisable to run this all of these components together in the same cycle?
    Has anyone out there experienced considerable hair loss due to D-bol, and is this a strong possibility if it is only being run for four weeks ?
    By running Deca previous to the Sust, am I at risk of Deca dick?
    By not starting Clomid and post cycle therapy two weeks after the last Sust shot is my body going to stop producing test on it’s own and then all of my gains will just get f*****d up anway?

    If anyone could offer me any feedback on the cycle or the questions regarding it. I would really appreciate it.

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    that cycle u layed out makes no sense...Plus it's way too many drugs for a first timer.
    Test E 500mgs per week for 10 weeks
    clomid post cycle.
    nolva on hand or 10mgs per day throughout.
    That's all you need..
    What are your stats anyway?

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    Too many compounds fro a second...... also it's hard to come by real Primo....... You don't want to bloat from this cycle IMO I wouldn't run those compounds then even with anti-e's and watching sodium intake you will bloat.

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    agreed with them... why dont you run it like this:

    wk 1-12 sust 500mg (spit 4 injections a week)
    wk 1-11 deca 400mg
    nolva 10mg ed
    start pct 3 weeks after last sust injection

    the cycle you laid out made no sense
    Last edited by Consistency; 03-04-2004 at 03:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
    that cycle u layed out makes no sense...Plus it's way too many drugs for a first timer.
    Test E 500mgs per week for 10 weeks
    clomid post cycle.
    nolva on hand or 10mgs per day throughout.
    That's all you need..
    What are your stats anyway?
    Yeah... I didn't think it made too much sense either thats why I wanted to ask. My stats are 5'8 180lbs w about 12%BF

    This would be my second cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consistency
    agreed with them... why dont you run it like this:

    wk 1-12 sust 500mg (spit 4 injections a week)
    wk 1-11 deca 400mg ed
    nolva 10mg ed
    start pct 3 weeks after last sust injection

    the cycle you laid out made no sense
    Do you mean 400 mg deca a week?...... Because you posted ed, that would be pretty sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmize9
    Do you mean 400 mg deca a week?...... Because you posted ed, that would be pretty sick.

    hhahaa shiat,,,, yeah i meant a week... dammit, my bad, that would really f-uck you up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consistency
    hhahaa shiat,,,, yeah i meant a week... dammit, my bad, that would really f-uck you up!
    No problem.........If I ran that cycle, could I substitute EQ instead of the Deca (for less water retention). And if so how many mg a week.

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    Stick to 2 or 3 compounds at the most.
    Week 1-12 Test e 500mgs
    week 1-11 eq 400mgs
    Week 9-14 winny 50mgs ed
    Clomid 1 day out.

    If your not going to do all 3 then take out the winny. 15lbs is very reasonable w/ that cycle as long as your diet is clean, w/ high protein.

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    yeah you can switch the deca with eq. It will yeild more lean quality gains. Run it at 400mg a week and stop it at wk 11 like the deca.

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    [QUOTE=MBaraso]Stick to 2 or 3 compounds at the most.
    Week 1-12 Test e 500mgs
    week 1-11 eq 400mgs
    Week 9-14 winny 50mgs ed
    Clomid 1 day out.

    [QUOTE]

    I like that... run it just like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
    Stick to 2 or 3 compounds at the most.
    Week 1-12 Test e 500mgs
    week 1-11 eq 400mgs
    Week 9-14 winny 50mgs ed
    Clomid 1 day out.

    If your not going to do all 3 then take out the winny. 15lbs is very reasonable w/ that cycle as long as your diet is clean, w/ high protein.
    That sounds perfect.... thanks alot I appreciate it. If I do decide to take out the winny, when should I start the clomid, two weeks after last Test inject?

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    yes.

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