few questions

**gerard4780** · 03-06-2004, 05:39 PM

i am currently on my 6th week of deca and test cycle this is also my first cycle before i started i was 6ft 1inch tall 200lbs now i am 225 with 15%bf would it be ok to throw some winstols in towards the end also for my pct should i take hcg ? if so when and how much? also how should i take my clomids when i come off? thanks.

**razor67** · 03-06-2004, 05:44 PM

hold off on the winny... hcg is not taken with pct.. its taken during a long cycle or after a cycle before pct..

**Da Bull** · 03-06-2004, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by gerard4780

i am currently on my 6th week of deca and test cycle this is also my first cycle before i started i was 6ft 1inch tall 200lbs now i am 225 with 15%bf would it be ok to throw some winstols in towards the end also for my pct should i take hcg? if so when and how much? also how should i take my clomids when i come off? thanks.

No winny or hcg .

Clomid
Day 1)300 mgs
Day 2-11 100mgs ed
Day 12-21 50 mgs ed......but you might need to run clomid a few weeks longer because of the deca ..50 mgs is fine

**GeoQuadzilla** · 03-06-2004, 06:39 PM

with the clomid some ppl say 2 weeks after your last injection, others say 3 weeks... So i usually go about 2 and half weeks after my last shot... It's hard to tell how much hcg you should use, because i don't know the lenght or amounts in your cycle but i'm guessing you wont run it longer then 8 or 10 weeks... if this the truth, 3, 500iu injections the week after your cycle spacing them 5 days apart should do the trick... and with the clomid run 100mg's a day for a week, and then 50mg's a day for 5 days after that should have your test back to normal... also it will help cure any testicular shrinkage you might have experienced.

**GeoQuadzilla** · 03-06-2004, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

No winny or hcg .

Clomid
Day 1)300 mgs
Day 2-11 100mgs ed
Day 12-21 50 mgs ed......but you might need to run clomid a few weeks longer because of the deca..50 mgs is fine

I liked my plan but considering i don't know what amounts he is running i could be wrong... I think you should listen to Da Bull cause he has more experience then me... but it would help if i knew the amounts you were running.

**gerard4780** · 03-06-2004, 06:59 PM

i am doing a 10 week cycle of 400mg deca and 500mg test do i need hcg for pct or not??

**Jjdigs74** · 03-06-2004, 07:01 PM

Save the winny for your next cycle bro! Its to expensive to through in there and by the time in started to kick in and see results you would have been off your cycle. As far as the hcg , iv heard mixed things.

1st! HCG should be run every 6 weeks when using AS
2nd! Runing HCG post cycle is ONLY for people that have run long and stressfull cycles
EX : 7,8 or 9 month cycles
EX : Running lots( multiple ) AS that serpressed your natural testosterone ! FINA/
DECA / 750-1000mg/week test
so thats my .02 and my understanding of hcg. My advise would to be researching PCT until you know what everything does, how it does it, why it does it, when to take what amounts. You will learn only a certain amount from these forums. Please don;t get me wrong, this forum and these threads are top shelf when it comes to info and peoples experiences! But don;t close yourself off to just that. To people's experiences with AS or PCT. Your body will act differently to certain things than the next guy.
Cloimid
300mg first day
100mg day 2-12
50mg day 13-21

good luck bro

**GeoQuadzilla** · 03-06-2004, 07:01 PM

Nah man... use da bull's plan you'll be better off with that... your not running enough to need hcg and clomid.

**razor67** · 03-06-2004, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by GeoQuadzilla

with the clomid some ppl say 2 weeks after your last injection, others say 3 weeks... So i usually go about 2 and half weeks after my last shot... It's hard to tell how much hcg you should use, because i don't know the lenght or amounts in your cycle but i'm guessing you wont run it longer then 8 or 10 weeks... if this the truth, 3, 500iu injections the week after your cycle spacing them 5 days apart should do the trick... and with the clomid run 100mg's a day for a week, and then 50mg's a day for 5 days after that should have your test back to normal... also it will help cure any testicular shrinkage you might have experienced.

being that deca shuts you down pretty hard i dont believe clomid 100mg for a week and 50mg for 5 days will do it... after deca id run clomid 4 weeks.

**GeoQuadzilla** · 03-06-2004, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by razor67

being that deca shuts you down pretty hard i dont believe clomid 100mg for a week and 50mg for 5 days will do it... after deca id run clomid 4 weeks.

thats why i suggest 3, 500iu injections of hcg .

**razor67** · 03-06-2004, 07:10 PM

here is a study done on a guys recovery with pct very simular to this..

Subject #2 is a 5'10", 184lb male who used 400 mg per week of nandrolone . His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=45ng/dl. This subject's 32 day treatment consisted of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. There was no change. He underwent another treatment consisting of 60 days of 5000 IU of HCG every 4 days for 4 injections, then 2500 IU every 4 days for 4 injections, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex per day. Still, no change. For the next 32 days, this subject received 5000 IU of HCG every other day for 6 injections, then 2500 IU every other day for 6 injections given with 150 IU of menotropins, 50 mg of clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg nolvadex 2 times per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=9.8IU/L, Test=507 ng/dl.(20)