Thread: Which Clen To Use?
03-08-2004, 04:32 PM #1Senior Member
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Which Clen To Use?
My girl is doing a fitness/figure show here in the states in the next few months, and she wants to do some clen . She leans out faster than anyone I ever seen without using it, and I told here she doesnt really need it. I personally dont know enough about it, because I have never used it. Is the pump or tabs more effective? Ive checked around and of course I alway get different opinions in my area, so I thought I would ask you fellas. And how would you cycle it and with what dosage? I was thinking 50mcg every 2 days, then 2 days off.. then see what happens in about 2 weeks. I know everyone is different, so its hard to say. She is weighing in at 104, with 11% bodyfat.
03-08-2004, 07:47 PM #2Associate Member
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Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions
Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as well as some of the more experienced.
Question: What is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by doctors to trigger ovulation in females.
Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?
Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production.
Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.
Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?
Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed to gyno. Arimidex , Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for this purpose.
Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?
Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.
Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.
Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol , sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
Anadrol /Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca : 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol : 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 17 – 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration
Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.
Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said don’t split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.
Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?
Answer: Why don’t you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.
Question: How cheap is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15 pence and 75 pence in England).
Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.
Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so cheap, why risk not using it.
03-08-2004, 07:50 PM #3
The pump is more cost effective I believe! I don't think the brand matters...except I must say the PPL liquaclen is the sh!t...plus it contains ketotifen which for short meens you don't have to cycle on and off the stuff. My GF is taking it now with the liquithy at 30mcg/day of each...her body temp is at 98.7 which is more than optimal.
03-08-2004, 08:39 PM #4Senior Member
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03-08-2004, 08:45 PM #5Senior Member
Originally Posted by Mallet
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03-08-2004, 10:16 PM #6
I've used both super clen (40mcg) and regular clen(20 mcg). Let me tell you the difference is amazing. I was shaking like an old lady on the super clen (160 mcg) and I noticed that the ketophen kept my receptors fresh, however it did make me sleepy and tired which I didnt like. If I could do it again, I would take regular clen in the morning and the super clen in the evening. The regular clen was good but I had to take 200 mcgs to get the same shaking as 160 on super clen.
As for cycling it, I did the 2 weeks on 2 off with eca on the second 2 weeks. I did this 2 times so basicly 2 months. I lost about 3-5% bf on the cycle.I would have lost way more IMO but I got injured. Make sure to drink lots of water and eat banannas or something else with potassium because the clen made my muscles tight and I pulled something in my foot. I got something called Plantar Fasciatis which is basicly a rupture of the tendon on the bottom of your foot. It hurt my results by at least 60%because I couldnt do any cardio. Hope this helps
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