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    Tweaked: Enanth/EQ/DBOL

    I have tweaked my original cycle a little after continuous research
    on this site: (goal is to retain 15-18lbs of muscle after pct):

    original cycle:

    1-12 test enanth @400mg ew
    1-4 dbol @20mg ed
    1-17 nolv @20mg ed
    1-12 ldex @.25ed
    15-17 clomid 300/100/50

    tweaked cycle:

    1-13 test enanth @400mg ew
    1-12 EQ @300mg ew
    1-4 dbol @20mg ed
    1-18 nolv @20mg ed
    1-13 ldex @.25 ed
    1-13 HCG @500iu's e4d
    16-18 clomid @300/100/50

    I know this is my first cycle and most people recommend one compound at a time, therefore I have kept the doses low. I added the eq so that I get more quality muscle and less water retention as I am very prone to getting bloated; and also it is mild on the sides and i think i have enough anti-e's to cover the sides of all enanth/dbol and EQ? In regards to the EQ, from my readings I have noticed people recommend it's dosage to be less than the test and also run 1 week Less (hence my cycle)? Am I right?

    Is there any need for the dbol (can I achieve my goal without it?) or will it
    do no harm at that dose to keep as a kick start? Also, if I put 150mg of EQ
    and 200 mg of test in one injection, I heard the sting/pain is relatively less
    than of test enanth alone; is this true?

    All comments/suggestions/advice will be appreciated. Thank you

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    1-13 test enanth @400mg ew
    1-12 EQ @300mg ew
    1-4 dbol @20mg ed...bump to 25-30min. or drop
    1-18 nolv @20mg ed...cut in half to 10mg ed, bump to 20 during pct
    1-13 ldex @.25 ed
    1-13 HCG @500iu's e4d...no need, drop this
    16-18 clomid @300/100/50...this is good

    Most will state that you should stick to test only(and I agree with them), but this is very simular to my first.

    15-18 lbs should be very obtainable without d-bol, I put on 30 with it.

    yes, mix the two together...hurts less

    hope this helps..

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    Dbol will give you a quick jumpstart to your cycle. I would still just run a test only cycle too see how your body will react. I retained 15lbs of muscle after PCT with a 12wk 500mg/wk test enan cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by groverman1
    Dbol will give you a quick jumpstart to your cycle. I would still just run a test only cycle too see how your body will react. I retained 15lbs of muscle after PCT with a 12wk 500mg/wk test enan cycle.
    I agree, if your only looking to keep 15-18lbs a test only is about all you need. Eq need to be run at 400mg a week minimum. Why are you worried about bloat you have nolva and l-dex in there. If you're trying to get minimal bloat drop the d-bol, it'll bloat you for sure. Keep it simple

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    Will the EQ help with retaining less water? That's one of the main reasons I am using it as I do have tendency to bloat. I know the ldex will help but i thought if EQ gives lean quality muscle AND helps with water retention AND has minimal side-effects then why not use it also. There dont seem to be any negative's against running EQ even in a first cycle.

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    this is your first cycle...you have no tendencies yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by damiongage
    this is your first cycle...you have no tendencies yet
    LMAO....
    First Cycle:
    Test Enanth 200-250mg E4D
    Nolva 10mg ED
    L-Dex .25 ED
    First time, this is all you need.
    L-Dex and Nolva together should be plenty to keep Retention to a minimum.
    If you are going to do what you're gonna do anyway, then the D-Bol should be @ 40mg ED unless you're under 200 lbs or so.
    And like JohnnyB said; EQ - 400mg Minimum or don't bother.....and if you do go EQ @ 400, your Test needs to be at 500mg min.
    As far as your HCG goes, is it necessary, no it's not "Necessary", but why not? IMO, if atrophy is going to take place AT ALL, why in the world not run a little? Most people look at a light cycle and say no, you don't "need" it, but if you can afford it, do it, it will only help, just make sure you shut it down a week or so before you end your cycle.
    TSW

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    You start the cycle? I'm gonna be doing almost the same cycle except I'm gonna run it like this:
    Wk 1-5 DBol ....... 40 mg ed
    Wk 1-17 Test E... 500 mgs
    Wk 1-16 Eq........ 400 mgs
    Wk 6-16 Fina...... 75 md ed
    PCT
    Novla 20 mg throughout
    Arimidex for first 5 weeks.

    Let me know how your cycle is going bro.

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