first cycle

[crazyswoll]

Hey guys! I had my second shot today. I had my first Friday, a little sore. Anyway, this is my first post. I have done a **** load of research and took the plunge.

wk 1-4 40mg dbol
wk 1-12 750 sust 250
wk 14-17 PCT

Anyway, glad to be apart of the board!

[1badcamaro]

wow, 750 of test for a first timer is a lot, i think 500 would suffice......other than that, i would make sure you have nolva on hand or if you can't get your hands on that, try femara

[asymmetrical1]

Hey guys! I had my second shot today. I had my first Friday, a little sore. Anyway, this is my first post. I have done a **** load of research and took the plunge.

wk 1-4 40mg dbol
wk 1-12 750 sust 250
wk 14-17 PCT

Anyway, glad to be apart of the board!

750mg sus is the way sus should be run..... need to push pct back a week to 15 for sus......good luck with the cycle bro

[damiongage]

Alot of people will say it is alot............but I like it........and do bump pct back to
15-17

[Trying2Gain]

Even if this is his first time he could probably get away with 250 mg wk. Just seems like you are waisting money with that much sus a week.

[asymmetrical1]

Even if this is his first time he could probably get away with 250 mg wk. Just seems like you are waisting money with that much sus a week.

????....250mg sus/week is a complete waste of sus

[Trying2Gain]

Its not if you look at certain factors to determine that. His starting hormone levels will have a lot to do with his age and his weight is another factor. This is why I dont understand why someone has not ran studies to come up with a formula or equation that takes this factors into consideration.

[1badcamaro]

i agree that 250 is a waste but 500 a week is definitely enough, but if he wants to go 750, more power to him!

[asymmetrical1]

a single ester test a better option for a first.....
running 750mg sus/week amp/eod will enable you to take advantage of all 4 esters and will be easier to keep your blood levels constant

[Trying2Gain]

It just seems like people have gotten set on dosages that they use and pass them on to someone who doesnt need to be taking the same levels.

[Sorken]

yes.. asymmetrical1 is right about the sus..

Anyway.. good luck with your cycle..

[asymmetrical1]

It just seems like people have gotten set on dosages that they use and pass them on to someone who doesnt need to be taking the same levels.

i run more than 750mg/week but never sus....dont like sus

[Trying2Gain]

A 20 year old persons hormone levels are no where close to a 30 year old male. The 30 year olds levels are going to be a lot lower; its going to take a higher dosage for him to reach the optimum level for muscle growth. This is the point I am trying to show. People just through out 500 mg of sus like its the magic dosage for every person

[crazyswoll]

Thanks for all the info, my stats: 5'11 198 10%BF. Been training hard for 3.5 years and decided to bump up my level of comp. I will try to get some pics up.

[crazyswoll]

I am 25 btw.

[1badcamaro]

hey bro, sounds like you're gettin an attitude here, people are just trying to help, a lot of people are saying 500mg a week because they have experience with all this and arent newbies at the whole juice thing. If you look at most threads that say here are example cycles for beginners.......400mg of test is what they recommend......in the end it is up to you and only you know your body, but don't diss people on the board taking their time to help you

[asymmetrical1]

A 20 year old persons hormone levels are no where close to a 30 year old male. The 30 year olds levels are going to be a lot lower; its going to take a higher dosage for him to reach the optimum level for muscle growth. This is the point I am trying to show. People just through out 500 mg of sus like its the magic dosage for every person

bro, you aren't making any sense....he's 26 ..... who's 30? who said 500mg?
you said 250......i said 750 ..............

[Trying2Gain]

I am not trying to diss anyone. He stated his age after I made the post comparing the two ages. I am just trying to show a point. Sense hormone levels decrease with age. I am just wondering why someone has not gone down the road to research a possible way to bring these factors into a formula or a rule of thumb when deciding dosages.

[crazyswoll]

I am sorry if you thought I was throwing some tude but I wasnt. I take constructive criticism very well. The more you guys post the more I learn. Sorry if it sounded like I was catching an attitude guys.

[Trying2Gain]

I think they are referring to me

[crazyswoll]

I am thinking about adding some win 50mg/ed for wk 10-12, what do you bros think?

[asymmetrical1]

I am thinking about adding some win 50mg/ed for wk 10-12, what do you bros think?

3 weeks not enough bro......need 6 at 50/ed