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    Need help with dosage

    I was thinking of stacking Winny(pills most likely)/Fine/Eq/Prop. How should I run these to get the best results? What anti-estrogens should I run? Have gyno already. I hear it doesnt look that bad but I cant affor it to get any worse. please help, thank you

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    do research, put together your own cycle then come ask if it looks good

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    Prop 100mg ed 1-18
    Tren 75mg ed 1-15
    eq 400mg wk 1-15

    -or-

    Prop 100mg ed 1-15
    Tren 75 mg ed 1-12
    eq 400mg wk 1-12

    Forget the winny, those three will be a handfull as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife
    Prop 100mg ed 1-18
    Tren 75mg ed 1-15
    eq 400mg wk 1-15

    -or-

    Prop 100mg ed 1-15
    Tren 75 mg ed 1-12
    eq 400mg wk 1-12

    Forget the winny, those three will be a handfull as it is.
    Agreed.
    Besides, why run Winny if you can get Tren??? Way Better results, no joint pain.
    TSW

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    I read that Winny and Fina are a sick combination. "Finaject does not aromatize since its substance is not changed into estrogens. In combination with Winstrol it has a dramatic effect on the body's appearance. To achieve a gigantic strength gain bodybuilders used to combine 30 mg Finaject every 1-2 days and 50 mg Winstrol Depot every 1-2 days (also known as Strombaject) during preparation for a competition and the buildup phase. No other combination gives the athlete such an incredible hardness and such a defined muscle gain. The possible physical change obtainable in only a few weeks is enormous enough to shock some non-involved observers. Believe us, competing bodybuilders love this combination especially."

    I found that on a website. Steroidtips.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife
    Prop 100mg ed 1-18
    Tren 75mg ed 1-15
    eq 400mg wk 1-15

    -or-

    Prop 100mg ed 1-15
    Tren 75 mg ed 1-12
    eq 400mg wk 1-12

    Forget the winny, those three will be a handfull as it is.
    12-15 weeks of tren!!The sides could be terrible.

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    What about anti-estogens. I have read and heard nolve and Arimadex dont work with fina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essy
    I read that Winny and Fina are a sick combination. "Finaject does not aromatize since its substance is not changed into estrogens. In combination with Winstrol it has a dramatic effect on the body's appearance. To achieve a gigantic strength gain bodybuilders used to combine 30 mg Finaject every 1-2 days and 50 mg Winstrol Depot every 1-2 days (also known as Strombaject) during preparation for a competition and the buildup phase. No other combination gives the athlete such an incredible hardness and such a defined muscle gain. The possible physical change obtainable in only a few weeks is enormous enough to shock some non-involved observers. Believe us, competing bodybuilders love this combination especially."

    I found that on a website. Steroidtips.com
    That quote smells like Duchaine. He made some great contributions to AAS use, but outdated ones. Take the advice stated above, as far as hardness and strength gain goes, you won't find many cycles that compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bull
    12-15 weeks of tren!!The sides could be terrible.
    I don't find tren sides any harder to deal with than test sides. Besides, think about the gains man, the gains!

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    What anti-estogen can I use for the Fina?
    Last edited by Essy; 03-23-2004 at 11:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essy
    What about anti-estogens. I have read and heard nolve and Arimadex dont work with fina.
    Nandrolone does not convert to progesterone. It converts to DHN, which is a PR agonist, and can agonize the prolactin receptor in the mammaery. The B6 will help control the prolactin

    It ihibits prolactin build up caused by tren or deca

    The following are excerpted from OB/GYN class notes:
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    Suppression of Lactation:

    When the mother chooses not to breast feed or the baby is lost, suppression of lactation may be required. Initially the breasts get engorged, however in the absence of suckling further milk production stops on its own. Firm support to the breasts is helpful in reducing the discomfort. Manual expression is not very helpful as it promotes further milk secretion. Estrogens in high doses can suppress lactation, however there are side effects and the risk of venous thrombosis, hence these are not recommended. Bromocryptine, a dopamine agonist, given 2.5 mg twice a day for 14 days can suppress lactation by producing a fall in prolactin levels. This therapy is expensive, has side effects and there may be rebound lactation once the drug is stopped. FDA no longer approves it. Pyridoxine – Vitamin B6, given 200 mg three times a day for 5-7 days is quite effective in suppressing lactation and the drug has no side effects.
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    Got Wood? note : adding Bromo to your cycle only adds to the potential anabolic cascade, and potentially negative drug interactions. In medicine B6 is supposed to be as effective as Bromo. Plus vitamin B6 has few side effects.
    Here are a few of many studies supporting the use of Vitamin B6 in reducing prolactin:
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    J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Mar;42(3):603-6


    Effect of pyridoxine on human hypophyseal trophic hormone release: a possible stimulation of hypothalamic dopaminergic pathway.

    Delitala G, Masala A, Alagna S, Devilla L.

    A single dose of pyridoxine (300 mg iv) produced significant rises in peak levels of immunoreactive growth hormone GH and significant decrease of plasma prolactin PRL in 8 hospitalized healthy subjects. Serum glucose, luteinizing hormone LH, follicle stimulating hormone FSH and thyrotropin TSH were not altered significantly. In addition, in 5 acromegalic patients who were studied with both L-dopa and pyridoxine, inhibition of GH secretion followed either agent in a similar pattern. These data suggest a hypothalamic dopaminergic effect of pyridoxine.

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    N Engl J Med 1982 Aug 12;307(7):444-5

    Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise.

    Moretti C, Fabbri A, Gnessi L, Bonifacio V, Fraioli F, Isidori A.

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    Boll Soc Ital Biol Sper 1984 Feb 28;60(2):273-8

    [Influence of administration of pyridoxine on circadian rhythm of plasma ACTH, cortisol prolactin and somatotropin in normal subjects]

    [Article in Italian]

    Barletta C, Sellini M, Bartoli A, Bigi C, Buzzetti R, Giovannini C.

    The influence of vitamin B6 in a dosage of 300 mg X 2 in 24 hrs, on circadian rhythm of plasmatic ACTH, cortisol, prolactin and somatotropin have been studied in 10 normal women. After vitamin B6 24 hrs pattern of ACTH and cortisol is unchanged; prolactin levels are slightly lower, in a statistically unsignificant proportion the night peak of growth hormone is higher in a statistically significant proportion (p. 0.05). The effect of vitamin B6 is likely to me mediated by dopaminergic receptors at hypothalamic level as previous studies by other Authors appear to prove.
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    Ldex and ndex wont help with winny either, and tren is by far the more anabolic steroid , taken at the right doses and term.

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    Will arimadex work for the eq?

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    So what would u recommend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bull
    12-15 weeks of tren!!The sides could be terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essy
    Will arimadex work for the eq?
    Yes, it will. Eq converts to estrogen at half the rate of testosterone , but as many users will attest, estrogen sides are very minimal with eq.

    With the assumption that you build your cycle around test, anti-es will be a smart idea to include, reguardless of the other compounds that you are running.

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    I have always pyramid my cycles. Do I start at these dosages?

    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife
    Prop 100mg ed 1-18
    Tren 75mg ed 1-15
    eq 400mg wk 1-15

    -or-

    Prop 100mg ed 1-15
    Tren 75 mg ed 1-12
    eq 400mg wk 1-12

    Forget the winny, those three will be a handfull as it is.

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    Dont pyramid your dosages, stay the same thoughout. Also just do 8 weeks of tren if its your first time using tren

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    It is my first time using Tren . I can get Tren (from QV) or I can get Fina(Homemade). Homeade is alot cheaper which one should I get? Is there that big of a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essy
    It is my first time using Tren. I can get Tren (from QV) or I can get Fina(Homemade). Homeade is alot cheaper which one should I get? Is there that big of a difference?
    I have heard the homeade variety is less painfull in fact, and cheaper is better.

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    I just spoke to my friend he said, "To do the winny,fina, and prop. lose the eq." He also said, "The winny will cut the Progesterone from the fina, they work great together ."

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