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03-29-2004, 01:39 PM #1Associate Member
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Any truth to this??
i was wondering if there is any truth to this...
Will novladex hinder your gains while running test??
I say no...but i have heard different and have not been given a reasonable explanation.
I have been researching novla in depth (just out of curiousity) and can not see how this could be true? ( not saying that it necessarily is)
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03-29-2004, 01:42 PM #2Originally Posted by PJK015
I have heard some people before say that it might put a slight hender on gains but I guess it all depends on the person but I doubt its anything noticeable....nolvadex is def. needed depending on the amount of Test your running and if your prone to gyno.
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03-29-2004, 01:44 PM #3Associate Member
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if it does.... does anyone know why/how?
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people say that because nolvadex lowers igf production in the body, but for that to be so, you would have to be doing a big dose (50mg/ed).
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It absolutely, 100% does not hamper your gains, unleas you consider estrogen related water bloat or gyno, gains. It keeps ldl/hdl chol. levels in check, prevents gyno, water bloat, etc. Nolva is a part of every one of my cycles and you will find that true with most of the vets and mods here.
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03-29-2004, 01:47 PM #6Originally Posted by PJK015
Dont know someone correct me if I am wrong.
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03-29-2004, 01:49 PM #7Originally Posted by PJK015
Nolva is antiestrogenic ( an estrogen antagonist) in all the right places but it's estrogenic in the liver, bone, and some other tissue types I believe.
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03-29-2004, 01:52 PM #8Associate Member
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just ask pheedno, hes the expert on nolvadex ...
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03-29-2004, 01:53 PM #9
Yes, it does lower Igf. It will not be the difference between being ronnie coleman or carrot top.
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03-29-2004, 01:57 PM #10Originally Posted by baller45
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ok, thanks for the responses
say you were running test with IGF-1 and novla @ 20mg ED
since the novla has an effect on the IGF levels would that effect your gains from the igf ??
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03-29-2004, 02:00 PM #12Originally Posted by PJK015
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03-29-2004, 02:03 PM #13Associate Member
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i am running novladex regardless...i just started this thread for discussion and out of curiousity
i am not running gh or igf, just enan and prop...but say i were running igf...would the novla have an effect in that sense... ie would you need to up the dosages? or would it be an unnoticable effect (on the igf)
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03-29-2004, 02:04 PM #14Originally Posted by PJK015
I think it would be unnoticable effect...
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03-29-2004, 02:04 PM #15Originally Posted by PJK015
So, nolva will have no effect on IGF-1 if you're supplementing with IGF-1
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Originally Posted by einstein1905
ill check in the gh/igf-1 forum for more about this
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