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    need a hand

    guyz
    i been playin for around 3 years , and i decided to move things a bit
    it will be my first time to use steriods , i will use Deca and sustanon
    what i had in mind is
    8 weeks cycle
    200 MG deca plus 250mg sustanon weekly
    and using Nolvadex from day one but i need some help on how much should i take daily. for how long
    how does it sound , any good ?
    i also been old about something called Estenazol , not sure about the spelling , it's supposed to burn fats.... anyone heard of it ?

    Thnx

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    welcome to AR bro...what r ur goals to burn fat or bulk up?

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    My first two cycle consisted of Deca and Sust and in almost those exact same doses. I gained 25-30 lbs the first time, and the second time I used the gear to preserve muscle mass while cutting. Looking back now, knowing what I know now, I realize that test Enanthate or Cyp would have been a better choice, but I still made great gains. If you aren't taking any other anti-e's, take 20 mgs Nolv a day. Get some clomid too, for PCT. Don't know what Estenazol is. Try a search.

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    first...here ya go........... j/k

    imo, for a first i wouldnt use deca or sust and would opt for a single ester test like enanthate and run it at 500mg for 10 weeks

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    stanzanol is winny..estanazel or whatever must be spanish

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    imo do something more for the novice user, like a enth or cyp, by itself 1st cycle.since sust is a more freq injection kinda thing, try it down the road.alot ppl would agree not to use deca for a first cycle either.here's an example for ya.

    test enth 500mg a week for 1-12 weeks.
    10mg of nolva ed
    pct.

    "estenazol",i think yur referring to winstrol , it doesnt burn fat, but many ppl use it for cutting. gives u almost a hardened look.

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    My goal is to bulk mate... stnazol or whatever is supposed to work as winstrol ....
    however , im lookin for anything to cut the fats, during the 8 weeks cycle or after ..

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    how about Clenbuterol , is it helpin in preservin the gains after i terminate the steriods , since it blocks the cortisone receptors , and what happens when i stop using it..

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    For your first cycle try a test only cycle for 10 weeks or so to see how your body reacts to the juice. Something like TEST eth or cyp, 250mg e4d. Test will bulk you up.

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    Zack you are going to get alot of guys here telling you to go with a sinle ester test, and that sust not shot EOD is a waste. But the fact is just like Johny Boy said, you will make nice gains on this cycle. Your doses were exactly the same as my first cycle and I gained 24 lbs. I don't see it getting much better than that, even on a single ester. If your lifting, eating and resting right, it's more than enough gear to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolman
    Zack you are going to get alot of guys here telling you to go with a sinle ester test, and that sust not shot EOD is a waste. But the fact is just like Johny Boy said, you will make nice gains on this cycle. Your doses were exactly the same as my first cycle and I gained 24 lbs. I don't see it getting much better than that, even on a single ester. If your lifting, eating and resting right, it's more than enough gear to grow.

    i still think that he'll get better gains from a single ester test when shooting e4d's or twice a week than he will shooting sust at the same intervals...

    Zack--- like its been suggested in previous posts on this thread, consider running jsut a single ester test at 500 mgs every week or 500 mgs of test with 300 mgs of deca every week for your first cycle.

    -MC

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    Guyz , u been a great help i really appreciate it
    i got the sutsnon already. so cheap
    the final pic looks like that
    8 weeks , 200 Deca plus 250 Susta weekly
    20 mg Nolvadex plus 20 mg proviron from day one
    startin from last week, HCG starts , 5000 units three times in 3 dayz intervals
    then 5000 3 times in 5 dayz intervals
    then Clomid for 2 weeks
    and taking Clenbuterol for 8 weeks right after the 8 week cycle.

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