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    Exclamation FLEX article, Bull**** or truth?

    I just picked up the April issue of FLEX and there is an article about steroid use for those bodybuilders who are thinking about using them for the first time. In the article, FLEX flames boards like this one and they go on to say that Mods are only smart enough to register a domain, so it would be stupid to take advice from them. They say that steroids WILL give you scar tissue, Gyno, and that you won't see any net gains after your cycle is done. Basically, they trash steroids in a very negative way. I haven't stepped into the darkside yet and I am really having second thoughts after reading the article. I have done my research and I know about PCT, running test etc. but the article concerns me. We should take into consideration that FLEX has been flamed from most of its readers for "promoting" the use of steriods . Do you think the article is FLEX's way of eliminating any liability (covering their ass so they don't get sued).

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    Yeah you can get gyno if the proper anti e's aren't in place...but you can also get sun burned if you don't use lotion before you hit the beach...See what I'm saying?
    "Mods are only smart enough to register domains"

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    well lets look at this logically....why would a bunch of people on a steroids forum -who clearly enjoy using steroids- trash them so vehemently? perhaps it's because FLEX is bull**** and needs more readers. Steroids dont give you scar tissue, sticking a sharp ass needle in deep muscle and forcing oil in there does. You can get gyno from steroids, to think that it is impossible is simply idiotic.

    stick to the people on the board, who will tell you ALL sides of the AAS issue. Unlike flex whose sole purpose is to promote the magazine.

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    They are simply covering their asses. They took alot of heat over the Tom Prince article back in February I believe. Alot of readers are naive (like I was) not believing that the pros could be using AS. So this is their way of taking some of the heat off and trying to save face. The bros on here are tried and true. I'm not going to ask a vegetarian whats the best steak for grilling ? So if I want real answers I'll ask the people who have experience.

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    What do the mods/vets/members on this board have to gain by giving false advice? Nothing. FLEX is just a pamphlet for Joe Weider to show off his models. I trust the bros on the site to give me unbiased, educated, experienced answers, and they always do.

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    All those mags are advertisements. how many 4 and 6 page spreads are there for supplements are there monthly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
    "Mods are only smart enough to register domains"
    Yeah - its the VET's that know there sh!t dude!!!

    I think the content in the mags is getting washed and useless - I was about to start a thread on that alone... Muscular Devlopment and Ironman are still awesome pubs - but many of them are starting to lose their great content... even basic grammer and spelling errors are popping up in articles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior
    Yeah - its the Vets that know there sh!t dude!!!

    I think the content in the mags is getting washed and useless - I was about to start a thread on that alone... Muscular Devlopment and Ironman are still awesome pubs - but many of them are starting to lose their great content... even basic grammer and spelling errors are popping up in articles...
    Yeah that's what I was thinking too

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    I agree about the Tom Prince article. I think that's where it all started.
    I knew the article had to be bull****, Just like most of the magazine's claims. "you don't need steroids to grow, all you need is perfect training, good diet and rest". I agree with that 100%, Steroids aren't the solution to the problem they are just part of the formula. But you can only go so far naturally. Let's face it, ALL pros are juicing, it's humanly inpossible to look like them naturally. Our bodies would never allow it. Thanks bros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_buz
    Mods are only smart enough to register a domain,
    I have no idea how to register a domain BTW

    "Authors" of such articles get paid, largely, based on copies sold. I.e. they have a direct vested interest in the propogation of their "information"
    People that offer advice on the boards have no such vested interest. People here have spent countless hours reading and guinea-pigging themselves to determine the optimal methods for optimizing their potential. We share information and learn from each other. In hindsight, we can look back and see what, of all the various things we've tried, has been the most beneficial/efficient and we can then pass on that information to others so that they don't have to waste time (or potential for harm) experimenting on themselves in the same way. The only thing people here should expect from their offering of advice is that others do the same, so that we can all learn from each other.

    When money is taken out of the equation, the truth has a tendency of being all the clearer.

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    I believe it is a Good marketing stradegy...

    Quote Originally Posted by c_buz
    I just picked up the April issue of FLEX and there is an article about steroid use for those bodybuilders who are thinking about using them for the first time. In the article, FLEX flames boards like this one and they go on to say that Mods are only smart enough to register a domain, so it would be stupid to take advice from them. They say that steroids WILL give you scar tissue, Gyno, and that you won't see any net gains after your cycle is done. Basically, they trash steroids in a very negative way. I haven't stepped into the darkside yet and I am really having second thoughts after reading the article. I have done my research and I know about PCT, running test etc. but the article concerns me. We should take into consideration that FLEX has been flamed from most of its readers for "promoting" the use of steriods . Do you think the article is FLEX's way of eliminating any liability (covering their ass so they don't get sued).
    They are losing subscribers to these boards because here (if you hang out and mingle for a bit) you will get real answers from real bodybuilders. Not the BS that you read about. It does not take a Brain Surgeon to figure out that a lot of Flex and the other Mags are regulated as to what they can say. With all tha heat right now they are making a good cover-up and at tha same time warning people about the boards to boost readership. AR and others are good for you and me...real people looking for real answers!!! Peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by einstein1905
    I have no idea how to register a domain BTW

    "Authors" of such articles get paid, largely, based on copies sold. I.e. they have a direct vested interest in the propogation of their "information"
    People that offer advice on the boards have no such vested interest. People here have spent countless hours reading and guinea-pigging themselves to determine the optimal methods for optimizing their potential. We share information and learn from each other. In hindsight, we can look back and see what, of all the various things we've tried, has been the most beneficial/efficient and we can then pass on that information to others so that they don't have to waste time (or potential for harm) experimenting on themselves in the same way. The only thing people here should expect from their offering of advice is that others do the same, so that we can all learn from each other.

    When money is taken out of the equation, the truth has a tendency of being all the clearer.
    Amen Einstein

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    Honestly what are they gonna say. Weightlifters around the world read that magazine (and I do too), and they obviously can't say that STEROIDS ARE THE GREATEST THING TO HIT THE SPORT. If this was the case everyone would want to use them, so they figure if they trash steroids then alot of people thinking about doing them will stay away. Didnt work for me.....if you do the research there are ways to avoid, or at least cut back on side effects, etc.

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    they just jumped the bandwagan about the juice buzz around the states....flex sucks anyways, only reason ppl buy is the half naked chicks imo.......

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    Welcome to the wonderful world of the propaganda machine and how it works. How do you control the populace, control the media that surrounds them. It appears that truly only in cyberspace are we free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by symatech
    well lets look at this logically....why would a bunch of people on a steroids forum -who clearly enjoy using steroids- trash them so vehemently? perhaps it's because FLEX is bull**** and needs more readers. Steroids dont give you scar tissue, sticking a sharp ass needle in deep muscle and forcing oil in there does. You can get gyno from steroids, to think that it is impossible is simply idiotic.

    stick to the people on the board, who will tell you ALL sides of the AAS issue. Unlike flex whose sole purpose is to promote the magazine.
    i totally agree guys... plus drinking too much soy milk will give you gyno as well... so what?!?!?

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    It's only right of a maginze that promotes and features articles on "natural" bodybuilders to also dislike the use of steroids ...lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by einstein1905
    I have no idea how to register a domain BTW

    "Authors" of such articles get paid, largely, based on copies sold. I.e. they have a direct vested interest in the propogation of their "information"
    People that offer advice on the boards have no such vested interest. People here have spent countless hours reading and guinea-pigging themselves to determine the optimal methods for optimizing their potential. We share information and learn from each other. In hindsight, we can look back and see what, of all the various things we've tried, has been the most beneficial/efficient and we can then pass on that information to others so that they don't have to waste time (or potential for harm) experimenting on themselves in the same way. The only thing people here should expect from their offering of advice is that others do the same, so that we can all learn from each other.

    When money is taken out of the equation, the truth has a tendency of being all the clearer.
    Nicely said einstein, but how come nobody shared how to register a domain

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_buz
    I just picked up the April issue of FLEX and there is an article about steroid use for those bodybuilders who are thinking about using them for the first time. In the article, FLEX flames boards like this one and they go on to say that Mods are only smart enough to register a domain, so it would be stupid to take advice from them. They say that steroids WILL give you scar tissue, Gyno, and that you won't see any net gains after your cycle is done. Basically, they trash steroids in a very negative way. I haven't stepped into the darkside yet and I am really having second thoughts after reading the article. I have done my research and I know about PCT, running test etc. but the article concerns me. We should take into consideration that FLEX has been flamed from most of its readers for "promoting" the use of steriods . Do you think the article is FLEX's way of eliminating any liability (covering their ass so they don't get sued).
    just covering their ass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ616
    just covering their ass...

    or just covering ther aas?


    Im so sure weider hasn't personally supplied pro's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ616
    just covering their ass...

    or just covering ther aas?


    Im so sure weider hasn't personally supplied pro's.

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    You all notice that FLEX magazine doesn't have an active internet presence on any of the boards.NO ads, banners, nothin.
    I am assuming that the boards certainly have no interest in advertising in FLEX magazine either.FLEX exists in a time where the market driven economy(especially information) is being ursurped by the internet and they don't know how to compete for readers who can access better and truer info on the net.
    The Magazines are caught in a hypocritical quandry. They picture Professional bodybuilders who look out of this world unreal. That look appeals to readers searching for the majic pill. Flex charges millions of dollars per year in advertising to supplement companies who offer "the majic pill" but what they can't tell you is all Pro's use massive amounts of gear to look like they do in addition to some of these supplements.
    I fell for it 15 years ago when I first started training, Dibencozide, smilax, all that shi8.

    For a magazine to flame a board like this it tells us two things.
    1. The free and accurate TRUTHFUL advice shared here is worth more than the $8.00 you pay for pictures of Monica Brandt and Ronnie Coleman sandwiched between 7 page ads for MUSCLE-Tech supplements.
    2. The boards and ESPECIALLY the mods and vets deserve a handshake and a thank you for the compliment paid by FLex. If boards were not a threat providing useful information the article wouldn't exist.

    Take it as a compliment.
    Simply put, Flex Magazine is in it to take/make money on the less informed.
    Internet message board like AR are not.I joined for free and have learned so much already. ASk flex if they will let you on their website for free to chat with the pro's.

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    FLEX is a great mag!........to use as toilet paper! FLEX is a pile of crap...i stopped reading it when that fatass peter mcgough said that none of the pros juice and all you need to do is read FLEX, eat and oh yeah follow the weilder principles to get huge what BS.

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    Lol

    Hey man, don't forget that isn't just a 4 or 6 page "ad" for Cell-Tech or Nitro-Tech that you see 5 times in the magazine...it's a "SPECIAL 4 PAGE AD REPORT"...LOL. Don't you just love how they call them ad reports and try to make them look like articles? It's hilarious...


    Quote Originally Posted by Soup
    All those mags are advertisements. how many 4 and 6 page spreads are there for supplements are there monthly.

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    I havent read everyones post here, but all Im going to say is that all FLEX is is a bunch of BULLSH!T and that article was the stupidest thing i have ever read, those mags are never going to come out with the truth all theyre interested in is making money IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testsubject
    I havent read everyones post here, but all Im going to say is that all FLEX is is a bunch of BULLSH!T and that article was the stupidest thing i have ever read, those mags are never going to come out with the truth all theyre interested in is making money IMO.
    BBing mags, for the most part, are similar to porn......you're better off ignoring the text. The pictures are inspirational (not in the same way BTW) and therein lies their value, but the text is worthless.

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    Don't you guys know, Pro bodybuilder's just drink weight gainer, protein, and glutamine to get their size.

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    yea, all the articles are rereads, and they are all just a sellin point for some supp company, i buy for the pics of the pros and what i wanna become.... other than that its a waste....

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    Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by einstein1905
    BBing mags, for the most part, are similar to porn......you're better off ignoring the text. The pictures are inspirational (not in the same way BTW) and therein lies their value, but the text is worthless.
    Man and I thought I was the only one standing in tha Albertson's isle looking at all the wonderful lady pictures......for free

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    i fkin love this BOARD<3333333 more than elitefitness!!!!!!!!!!

    fkin love AR<33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333

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    They are just jumping on the bandwagen with the rest of the press to bad mouth steriods . Its a joke when a lot of there models are on the juice, hypocrites!

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    the biggest problem here....is that you are reading flex

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    This is a good post Illusion and I agree with it. Some very good points and opinions made indeed. I fell for the magic pill and always dumped loads of cashola into bunk supplements advertised in FLEX years ago as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion of size
    You all notice that FLEX magazine doesn't have an active internet presence on any of the boards.NO ads, banners, nothin.
    I am assuming that the boards certainly have no interest in advertising in FLEX magazine either.FLEX exists in a time where the market driven economy(especially information) is being ursurped by the internet and they don't know how to compete for readers who can access better and truer info on the net.
    The Magazines are caught in a hypocritical quandry. They picture Professional bodybuilders who look out of this world unreal. That look appeals to readers searching for the majic pill. Flex charges millions of dollars per year in advertising to supplement companies who offer "the majic pill" but what they can't tell you is all Pro's use massive amounts of gear to look like they do in addition to some of these supplements.
    I fell for it 15 years ago when I first started training, Dibencozide, smilax, all that shi8.

    For a magazine to flame a board like this it tells us two things.
    1. The free and accurate TRUTHFUL advice shared here is worth more than the $8.00 you pay for pictures of Monica Brandt and Ronnie Coleman sandwiched between 7 page ads for MUSCLE-Tech supplements.
    2. The boards and ESPECIALLY the mods and vets deserve a handshake and a thank you for the compliment paid by FLex. If boards were not a threat providing useful information the article wouldn't exist.

    Take it as a compliment.
    Simply put, Flex Magazine is in it to take/make money on the less informed.
    Internet message board like AR are not.I joined for free and have learned so much already. ASk flex if they will let you on their website for free to chat with the pro's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion of size
    You all notice that FLEX magazine doesn't have an active internet presence on any of the boards.NO ads, banners, nothin.
    I am assuming that the boards certainly have no interest in advertising in FLEX magazine either.FLEX exists in a time where the market driven economy(especially information) is being ursurped by the internet and they don't know how to compete for readers who can access better and truer info on the net.
    The Magazines are caught in a hypocritical quandry. They picture Professional bodybuilders who look out of this world unreal. That look appeals to readers searching for the majic pill. Flex charges millions of dollars per year in advertising to supplement companies who offer "the majic pill" but what they can't tell you is all Pro's use massive amounts of gear to look like they do in addition to some of these supplements.
    I fell for it 15 years ago when I first started training, Dibencozide, smilax, all that shi8.

    For a magazine to flame a board like this it tells us two things.
    1. The free and accurate TRUTHFUL advice shared here is worth more than the $8.00 you pay for pictures of Monica Brandt and Ronnie Coleman sandwiched between 7 page ads for MUSCLE-Tech supplements.
    2. The boards and ESPECIALLY the mods and vets deserve a handshake and a thank you for the compliment paid by FLex. If boards were not a threat providing useful information the article wouldn't exist.

    Take it as a compliment.
    Simply put, Flex Magazine is in it to take/make money on the less informed.
    Internet message board like AR are not.I joined for free and have learned so much already. ASk flex if they will let you on their website for free to chat with the pro's.
    Very well written indeed. Good points. My one problem is....
    what the hell is a gearhead doing using the word "usurped"? Nice

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    Hey

    Hey...at least he misspelled it!

    Quote Originally Posted by einstein1905
    Very well written indeed. Good points. My one problem is....
    what the hell is a gearhead doing using the word "usurped"? Nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mullhar
    Hey...at least he misspelled it!
    Our expectations can only be so high...after all, we're just gym monkeys here. We could expect more if he were to have been one of those knowledge-laden BB mag columnists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by einstein1905
    Our expectations can only be so high...after all, we're just gym monkeys here. We could expect more if he were to have been one of those knowledge-laden BB mag columnists.
    Hold on a sec... speak for yourself... My expectations are very high. Especially when it comes to:

    1. Satisfying my sex drive...
    2. Satisfying my babes...
    3. Satisfying my gain of knowledge...

    Last but not least, I'm just f***ing glad I don't sing like the guy from American Idol... "She Bang, She Bang... She Move, She move..."

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    Flex this...

    Quote Originally Posted by beefydragon
    Hold on a sec... speak for yourself... My expectations are very high. Especially when it comes to:

    1. Satisfying my sex drive...
    2. Satisfying my babes...
    3. Satisfying my gain of knowledge...

    Last but not least, I'm just f***ing glad I don't sing like the guy from American Idol... "She Bang, She Bang... She Move, She move..."

    I agree.. The only reason AS are considered a bad thing, is because BIG BROTHER cannot ethically make any money on them. But in the long run, are they any worse than cigarettes, or alcohol? Im sure there are SEVERAL more deaths and health problems caused by the latter two items mentioned. But there are plenty of those items to go around.

    IMO Flex lost all credibility to in good faith claim that those AS are a bad thing, when every one of those big ass fools on every page in the book are on em.. oh my bad thats just CELL TECH, and NITRO TECH that they are taking....

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    Up until 2 years ago, I used to look fwd to every issue of M&F and muscle media mags...I tried everything, stupid "magic pills" from HMB, NeuroGain, methoxy-wtf, what not. Then, tousands of dollars later in subscriptions and bogus supplements, I woke up realizing that I looked the same...nothing had changed..granted, my diet was also all wrong but when u look at those mags and you have 1-2 lousy articles on nutrition (that always contradict one other btw) and tons of pages on ads and "latest supplements", its hard to know what truly is important in BB...so I just quit subscription, went into depression and went to the gym out of habit rather than enthusiasm...until I met a pro bodybuilder who for one year put me on a hardcore training and dieting program (no juice)...I put on 25 lbs of muscle in that one year alone (i was 24)...only in the last yr i have been on juice and my gains have been great. I am just saying all this because today, when i go to a book store and I see those mags sitting there and all these younger folks browsing through em, my blood boils because I know that they are setting themselves up with years of diappointment with all the disinformation and crap these mags promote. I got lucky with meeting my trainer..i cant imagine everybody having this kind of luck...DIET and EXERCISE are the most imprtant thing period...gear is nothing but something to give you that "edge" if everything else is in order...This thread just brought back all that frustration these mags gave me yrs ago, sorry for the lengthy opinion...

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    "Hey...at least he misspelled it!"

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    Very well written indeed. Good points. My one problem is....
    what the hell is a gearhead doing using the word "usurped"? Nice

    LMFAO....
    Actually, the first time I ever joined a chat room some asked me what I did for fun and I told them body-building.They asked me" Who turned the computer on for you?"
    OUCH
    Ya kow, most guys who have had some success have to be smart just to learn nutrition, add training techniques and posing routines on top of that, then learn about juice.
    Bodybuilders are probably the only athletes who can tell you what HPTA means or explain the krebs cycle in all it's boring detail.
    I'm a gearhead with a college degree,a lot of time and a hatred for the un-enlightened.
    Like readers of FLEX magazine

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