EQ stacked with what kind of test?

**Beefbody** · 04-13-2004, 06:26 PM

For my 2nd cycle I want to give equipose a try! but how much do i need to take? and what kind of test is best used with EQ? I want to get big but not water bloat big like with sus.

**Da Bull** · 04-13-2004, 06:47 PM

400mg is a nice first cycle with EQ.I'd run test E with it.But if you can take ed shots of prop,better yet!!

**TheMudMan** · 04-13-2004, 06:47 PM

Prop will give you almost to no bloat but you will need to inject at minimum EOD..... ED is best to keep blood levels stable.

You could do this:

1 - 15 Prop 75mg ED
1 - 12 EQ 500mg
1 - 15 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection:
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 21 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 22 - 28 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

**newtogear** · 04-13-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Beefbody

For my 2nd cycle I want to give equipose a try! but how much do i need to take? and what kind of test is best used with EQ? I want to get big but not water bloat big like with sus.

it doesn't really matter which test you use w/ the eq b/c test is test. however, if you take prop, you'll be injecting every day or eod at the least. sust i've heard is good to run w/ eq. but many people are susceptable to getting the sust flu. it usually lasts for 3 days i've heard. i like the idea of enan every 3.5 days. you also want to run the test one more week more than the eq.

i'd run:

Weeks 1-12: EQ - 400mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)
Weeks 1-13: Test E - 500mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)

that's what i'm going to run for my 2nd cycle.

-ntg

**Beefbody** · 04-13-2004, 06:58 PM

thanks guys for the info! do i need to include anything eles that would be better yet?? or is eq and test enough????

**TheMudMan** · 04-13-2004, 07:00 PM

2nd cycle that is enough......... but I would add the anti-e's I listed.

**Beefbody** · 04-13-2004, 07:06 PM

my first cycle ends the last week of this month. how long should i wait to start the 2nd? my first will last 12 weeks.and is running hcg at 500ius every 4th day throughout my 2nd cycle a good idea or not???

**TheMudMan** · 04-13-2004, 07:11 PM

the time you were on the cycle and PCT is the time you should take off.

I really don't think HCG is needed on a first cycle...... you should have been running a test only cycle and running clomid and nolva would recover HPTA.

But if you feel you need to run HCG I would run 500iu's on Sat and Sun....... and do not run HCH durring PCT

**Beefbody** · 04-13-2004, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

the time you were on the cycle and PCT is the time you should take off.

I really don't think HCG is needed on a first cycle...... you should have been running a test only cycle and running clomid and nolva would recover HPTA.

But if you feel you need to run HCG I would run 500iu's on Sat and Sun....... and do not run HCH durring PCT

I get what pct means but what does it stand for im new here and i see it is used alote This is probely a real stupid question.

**Yankeebstrd** · 04-13-2004, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Beefbody

I get what pct means but what does it stand for im new here and i see it is used alote This is probely a real stupid question.

pct= post cycle therapy

**newtogear** · 04-13-2004, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by newtogear

it doesn't really matter which test you use w/ the eq b/c test is test. however, if you take prop, you'll be injecting every day or eod at the least. sust i've heard is good to run w/ eq. but many people are susceptable to getting the sust flu. it usually lasts for 3 days i've heard. i like the idea of enan every 3.5 days. you also want to run the test one more week more than the eq.

i'd run:

Weeks 1-12: EQ - 400mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)
Weeks 1-13: Test E - 500mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)

that's what i'm going to run for my 2nd cycle.

-ntg

oops, i meant to type:

Weeks 1-12: EQ - 400mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)
Weeks 1-13: Test E - 500mg ew (250mg mon morning & thurs night)

pct stands for "post cycle therapy " to fight the estrogen backlash and bring your natural test back up as quickly as possible.

i'm going to run:

Weeks 1-12: Nolva 10mg ed
Weeks 13-17: Nolva 20mg ed
Weeks 1-17: Ldex .25mg ed
Weeks 15-17: Clomid (day 1: 300mgs, day 2: 200mgs, 3-11: 100mgs ed, 12-21: 50 mgs ed)

**Yankeebstrd** · 04-13-2004, 07:44 PM

[QUOTE=newtogear]oops, i meant to type:

Weeks 1-12: EQ - 400mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)
Weeks 1-13: Test E - 500mg ew (250mg mon morning & thurs night)

Hey NTG...Whats the signifigance of the times?

**Beefbody** · 04-13-2004, 07:52 PM

well

now i know how to get large and in charge on EQ/TEST thanks a whole lot guys that was very helpful!!

**newtogear** · 04-13-2004, 08:09 PM

some supplements (in addition to your creatine & glutamine) you might want to consider in pct:

HMB 3-10 g ed in 2 or 3 divided doses (decreases muscle breakdown..repairs)
ZMA (to bring nat test back up)
Tribulus 3-4 g ed (to bring nat test back up)
L-Carnitine 500mg 2x ed (increases cutting and recovery time..anti-catabolic)
Phosphatidylserine 800mg (divided doses) to inhibit cortisol and catabolism

**Beefbody** · 04-13-2004, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by newtogear

some supplements (in addition to your creatine & glutamine) you might want to consider in pct:

HMB 3-10 g ed in 2 or 3 divided doses (decreases muscle breakdown..repairs)
ZMA (to bring nat test back up)
Tribulus 3-4 g ed (to bring nat test back up)
L-Carnitine 500mg 2x ed (increases cutting and recovery time..anti-catabolic)
Phosphatidylserine 800mg (divided doses) to inhibit cortisol and catabolism

will do!

**newtogear** · 04-13-2004, 08:20 PM

[QUOTE=Yankeebstrd]

Originally Posted by newtogear

oops, i meant to type:

Weeks 1-12: EQ - 400mg ew (200mg mon morning & thurs night)
Weeks 1-13: Test E - 500mg ew (250mg mon morning & thurs night)

Hey NTG...Whats the signifigance of the times?

hey yankeebstrd,

i want to take the shots every mon and thurs b/c it's easy for me to remember and be on a routine rather than dealing w/ e3d which would have my injections always falling on diff days. however, i want to keep my test blood levels as stable as possible so i want to spread them apart perfectly at 3.5 days. if i took it every mon and thur morning, the shots would be 3 days apart and then 4 days apart on the next shot.

**JDog3497** · 04-13-2004, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Beefbody

For my 2nd cycle I want to give equipose a try! but how much do i need to take? and what kind of test is best used with EQ? I want to get big but not water bloat big like with sus.

id run test e with it because then u can start ur pct 2 weeks after ur last injection because tha tis how u do it with both esters. if u run prop then ull have to start the eq two weeks b4 the prop and finish 2 weeks b4 the prop...just seems like the easier deal to me.