Need guidance

**Galoot67** · 04-15-2004, 07:33 PM

I did some cycles back a long time ago but I never completed them because I was young and dumb. Now I've been in the gym well diciplined for a while. From what I've read so far I am thinking about taking deca or eq. with a test. But which one with which test and how much for how long? I am 6'7 240, i think my body fat is around 20% I guess my goals are to get good size to go along with this height. I would like to cut some fat off too so Im thinking about taking some clembuteral. Replies would be appreciated.

**TheMudMan** · 04-15-2004, 07:39 PM

A test and EQ cycle would be good......... It will help put on size and could make you vascular and harder looking as long as the diet and cardio is in check

If your goals are to lean up a bit I would get the body fat down a bit before starting the cycle...... JMO

1 - 14 Enan 500mg
1 - 12 EQ 500mg
1 - 14 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 14 L-dex .25mg

Start PCT 2 weeks after last enan injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 21 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 22 - 28 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

**5211969** · 04-15-2004, 07:42 PM

There is no way to Cut And BULK at the same time..

I would suggest you cut the fat out now, and in 6 months or so bulk back up.

Get your Diet in check and do cardio in the AM on a empty stomach..that will be my advice for you,

When you get down about 40 or so pounds then you can consider AS to bulk you back up with some good gains in Lean Muscle..

**barbarian** · 04-15-2004, 07:45 PM

stick to one or the other and youl be much happyer.. its easy to try and keep mass and diet hard, or gain mass without putting on to much fat then trying to gain mass and lose fat at a fast pace its just cant hapen.. even the pros have a verry verry hard tiem doing this with there doesages out of this world...

**TheMudMan** · 04-15-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

A test and EQ cycle would be good......... It will help put on size and could make you vascular and harder looking as long as the diet and cardio is in check

If your goals are to lean up a bit I would get the body fat down a bit before starting the cycle...... JMO

1 - 14 Enan 500mg
1 - 12 EQ 500mg
1 - 14 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 14 L-dex .25mg

Start PCT 2 weeks after last enan injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 21 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 22 - 28 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

I made a mistake in the cycle length..... I fixed it here:

1 - 13 Enan 500mg
1 - 12 EQ 500mg
1 - 15 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 15 L-dex .25mg

Start PCT 2 weeks after last enan injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 21 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 22 - 28 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

**powerlifter** · 04-15-2004, 08:03 PM

Good advice from the Bros above - shred before you bulk

**Galoot67** · 04-15-2004, 08:08 PM

Ok so Bulk then cut.

**powerlifter** · 04-15-2004, 08:13 PM

No bro - drop the fat then cycle

**TheMudMan** · 04-15-2004, 08:13 PM

At 20% I would say you are bulked up.......... If you bulk now you will end up putting on some more bodyfat no matter how clean your diet is.

IHMO I would lower the bodyfat and then start bulking.......... As long as you diet corectly and don't lose too much muscle you will appear heavier then you actully are. I feel running gear while dieting is a great idea....... it will help keep you from losing muscle and may even allow you to put some on. JMO