Week 9 on Test Cyp

[hardgainer1]

Heres me at week 9-

170lbs (give or take)

Started cycle around 155 lbs

[SwoleCat]

That's only half of you!

Do you have any Week 0 comparisons?


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[hardgainer1]

haha ****it! I knew id have to take some leg and back pics. I'll get on that today to give a complete picture. Leem see if I can get the before pics which are limited too.

[CarvedFromStone]

what kinda diet and training you doing, just test cyp? no anti E's? how many mg's you runing?

[MIKE_XXL]

I can't beliver people start taking gear at 155lbs :unsure: Bro you could have been 170lbs natural with no sweat...but hey your choice...shoulders and chest looking good...XXL

[TheDfromGC]

I can't beliver people start taking gear at 155lbs :unsure: Bro you could have been 170lbs natural with no sweat...but hey your choice...shoulders and chest looking good...XXL

i really dont understand comments like these. just because somebody doesnt weigh alot doesnt neccessarily mean they dont work out alot. i myself am very dedicated and just have a huge problem putting on weight. id consider myself ready for a cycle because ive trained for years and know about diet and eveything but just have very bad genetics. when some guy who weighs 220 says hes going on a cycle comments will be yea thats good choice etc....when in reality he could of worked out for 2 weeks beforehand and is just naturally big and relaly is not even remotely for steroid use...then a smaller guy says hes going on something and everybody is oh u need to wait and this and that..when he might be a person such as myself that jsut have huge problems gaining weight. ....basically what im saying is u cant judge if somebody is ready for gear or not by only knowing there weight...training and diet are the determining factors

[wolfyEVH]

i really dont understand comments like these. just because somebody doesnt weigh alot doesnt neccessarily mean they dont work out alot. i myself am very dedicated and just have a huge problem putting on weight. id consider myself ready for a cycle because ive trained for years and know about diet and eveything but just have very bad genetics. when some guy who weighs 220 says hes going on a cycle comments will be yea thats good choice etc....when in reality he could of worked out for 2 weeks beforehand and is just naturally big and relaly is not even remotely for steroid use...then a smaller guy says hes going on something and everybody is oh u need to wait and this and that..when he might be a person such as myself that jsut have huge problems gaining weight. ....basically what im saying is u cant judge if somebody is ready for gear or not by only knowing there weight...training and diet are the determining factors

completely agree with ya khull

[Dude-Man]

i completely disagree with the above two posts. If you can't gain, fix your diet. It's the problem.

[Sage]

certain people at 155-160lbs are ready to start shooting.....i don't like going by the weight alone and judge it that way....definition/bf/muscle growth is what to go by since a few do not look their weight but ****ing larger instead compare to a dude who is laying down with the additional 20lbs+ their weight.

[SwoleCat]

i completely disagree with the above two posts. If you can't gain, fix your diet. It's the problem.


Ditto! At 195, having it hard to get over the 200 mark, and you are already buff/out of control muscle wise, been training for 8-10 years, etc., I can see the inclusion of gear, yes.

Not at 155. In my last show some fitness WOMEN were at 145-155.........

Yes, I said WOMEN........

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[MIKE_XXL]

i really dont understand comments like these. just because somebody doesnt weigh alot doesnt neccessarily mean they dont work out alot. i myself am very dedicated and just have a huge problem putting on weight. id consider myself ready for a cycle because ive trained for years and know about diet and eveything but just have very bad genetics. when some guy who weighs 220 says hes going on a cycle comments will be yea thats good choice etc....when in reality he could of worked out for 2 weeks beforehand and is just naturally big and relaly is not even remotely for steroid use...then a smaller guy says hes going on something and everybody is oh u need to wait and this and that..when he might be a person such as myself that jsut have huge problems gaining weight. ....basically what im saying is u cant judge if somebody is ready for gear or not by only knowing there weight...training and diet are the determining factors

Which part don't you understand :unsure: you are NOT a hard gainer you are an undereater...i can guarantee i can get anyone weighing 155lbs growing just by including food, supplements (legal type) and proper training, back in the day when i acctually trained people, i had a number of guys gain 8-10lbs in 6 weeks of training naturally...at 155lbs you certainly are not at your genetic limitations and there is NO reason for you not to gain weight, sorry to be frank here but most guys do not train properly (hard does not mean proper) they do not eat well enough, and because most of you are young, which believe it or not i was young at one point too :D...you are proly undersleeping, i know i used to...so first fix your diet and workout program, then your sleeping patern, add some supplements and you will gain...and do not tell me you are "eating lots" i hear that all the time, post your diet on here meal by meal, and you exact workout program, your sleeping paterns, how often do you drink/drugs etc...before you say anything else...XXL

[anabolicwannabe]

what if you're 5"4, do you have to be 195lbs?

[Carlos_E]

Which part don't you understand :unsure: you are NOT a hard gainer you are an undereater...i can guarantee i can get anyone weighing 155lbs growing just by including food, supplements (legal type) and proper training, back in the day when i acctually trained people, i had a number of guys gain 8-10lbs in 6 weeks of training naturally...at 155lbs you certainly are not at your genetic limitations and there is NO reason for you not to gain weight, sorry to be frank here but most guys do not train properly (hard does not mean proper) they do not eat well enough, and because most of you are young, which believe it or not i was young at one point too :D...you are proly undersleeping, i know i used to...so first fix your diet and workout program, then your sleeping patern, add some supplements and you will gain...and do not tell me you are "eating lots" i hear that all the time, post your diet on here meal by meal, and you exact workout program, your sleeping paterns, how often do you drink/drugs etc...before you say anything else...XXL

Great advice!!!! hardgainer1, please listen to Mike. He knows what he's talking about.

[Carlos_E]

what if you're 5"4, do you have to be 195lbs?

It's not just about weight. As Mike said, list your age, stats, diet and training history. I'm 5'6" and I feel I started cycling early. I should/could have waited. I started cycling at 180 pound but I'm 30 so age also comes into play.

[TheDfromGC]

Which part don't you understand :unsure: you are NOT a hard gainer you are an undereater...i can guarantee i can get anyone weighing 155lbs growing just by including food, supplements (legal type) and proper training, back in the day when i acctually trained people, i had a number of guys gain 8-10lbs in 6 weeks of training naturally...at 155lbs you certainly are not at your genetic limitations and there is NO reason for you not to gain weight, sorry to be frank here but most guys do not train properly (hard does not mean proper) they do not eat well enough, and because most of you are young, which believe it or not i was young at one point too :D...you are proly undersleeping, i know i used to...so first fix your diet and workout program, then your sleeping patern, add some supplements and you will gain...and do not tell me you are "eating lots" i hear that all the time, post your diet on here meal by meal, and you exact workout program, your sleeping paterns, how often do you drink/drugs etc...before you say anything else...XXL

so my problem is i dont know what im doing and theres no such thing as bad genetics...... alrite thanks u have cleared up so many things for me i can now be on my path to success....

[SwoleCat]

what if you're 5"4, do you have to be 195lbs?

No, you'd have to be on stilts. :lol:

Just kidding..........however, it's all relative to height, yes.
If this person were 5'4", this probably wouldn't be an issue.

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[builtthekid]

The only reason that i considered taking aas is because im a 250 pound natural
untill recently but I have a good frame and natural build.

[SwoleCat]

so my problem is i dont know what im doing and theres no such thing as bad genetics...... alrite thanks u have cleared up so many things for me i can now be on my path to success....

He just asked you to post all of your "artillery" that is your diet/training/etc., but instead you play the role of the sob story above. :song:

That type of approach is indicative of you thinking you already know it all, and you are not open to advice/assistance/another point of view. You are also quick to blame sh*tty genetics, and it's always quicker to blame something than it is to man up and find the cure. I've trained 100's that had your outlook on physique development before, as there are many "prescriptions" of what one should do for optimal development, and you've not given the energy needed to locate your individual prescription.

You'll do what you want in the end, and I can't honestly say that what you do is going to really make a difference to us. However, it will make a difference to you.

I'm set.
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[TheDfromGC]

He just asked you to post all of your "artillery" that is your diet/training/etc., but instead you play the role of the sob story above. :song:

That type of approach is indicative of you thinking you already know it all, and you are not open to advice/assistance/another point of view. You are also quick to blame sh*tty genetics, and it's always quicker to blame something than it is to man up and find the cure. I've trained 100's that had your outlook on physique development before, as there are many "prescriptions" of what one should do for optimal development, and you've not given the energy needed to locate your individual prescription.

You'll do what you want in the end, and I can't honestly say that what you do is going to really make a difference to us. However, it will make a difference to you.

I'm set.
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i am open to ideas but i get irritated when people say things like u just arent training rite or if u worked harder u would be farther along, that is true but ive also worked my ass off to even get to the point im at....... basically its like people are saying u could put on weight but ur just too lazy to do it, when in fact im the total opposite

[TheDfromGC]

i also have a feeling people will be living on the moon before swole ever agrees with me on something...

[Carlos_E]

i also have a feeling people will be living on the moon before swole ever agrees with me on something...

In all your complaining you still have not answered Mike's questions. He offered to help.

post your diet on here meal by meal, and you exact workout program, your sleeping paterns, how often do you drink/drugs etc..

Are you going to post the information?

[S R H]

i also have a feeling people will be living on the moon before swole ever agrees with me on something...

Ur not the only one

[SwoleCat]

Ur not the only one

I would never agree with you on anything to this point, as anything I've read that you reason with is idiotic. So, correct YOU are here, congrats!

Khull however seems to understand there are ways to improve, and I do understand that he as tried lots of things. That is why Mike, Carlos, and myself, have asked that he disclose what he is doing. You can tell by his second post that he is willing to listen somewhat at least. We'd like to see his info of course, yes.

Now if/when he does, who is going to offer advice? YOU????????

:lol:

Exactly, it will be Mike, Carlos, and myself. Please, post elsewhere w/other middle-school mentality individuals, not where helpful people who know their sh*t are attempting to help. You offer NOTHING positive nor helpful in any tangible regard, in any way/shape/form, not in written word, location, pictures, success, etc., something ALL three of us have.

We already extinguished your petty thread long ago, don't piss on someone else's chance to improve himself because you are an unsuccessful bodybuilder, who is struggling to find an answer, but doesn't even know the question.

I'm normally not so insulting, but you're such an immature jackass in EVERY thread on this board, you are entirely deserving. At least if you're going to be a prick, be a helpful one. At least you got a new avatar, although your last one definitely is indicative of your intellectual offerings.

http://www.************.com/forum/images/smilies/finger%5B1%5D.gif

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[mass junkie]

Heres me at week 9-

170lbs (give or take)

Started cycle around 155 lbs
I'm sure you're happy with the progress you've made thus far :)

[Carlos_E]

At least if you're going to be a prick, be a helpful one.

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:lol: Nice!

[S R H]

Wow swole look at all the time u wasted to type that, hoping someone would care. Grow up bud.

:shutthefu

[Blown_SC]

Looking really vascular bro, and you've definitely added some size... it's too bad that you have such a hard time gaining, hopefully the gents in this thread will allow you to improve upon that.. they know what they are talking about.... :hello:

[LeanMeOut]

I'm sure you're happy with the progress you've made thus far :)



Ditto.... keep going bro :) you only got one way to go and that's up :lift:

[anabolicwannabe]

well, he did agree with me on the 5"4 thing. so you guys gotta understand where he's (edit: referring to Swole) coming from. the thing is, even with the not-so-good yet not the worst on earth genes, you CAN be pretty decent if your diet and everything is taking good shape. notice i use the word good. it doesn't have to be perfect. i myself might miss a meal once in a while, but that should NOT affect much if i did everything else correct.

give them some respect, they've been here so **** long, and probably have every single question repeating themselves, yet they still reply to you. i think we should thank them on this point. i have received a lot of help from Mike_XXL ALONE regarding competition dieting. you must be willing to learn.

[anabolicwannabe]

It's not just about weight. As Mike said, list your age, stats, diet and training history. I'm 5'6" and I feel I started cycling early. I should/could have waited. I started cycling at 180 pound but I'm 30 so age also comes into play.

yeah don't worry dude, i was just clearing things up. cause i don't understand how a person 5"4 should start cycling at 195 lbs. i'm only 17, 150lbs (and yes i'm 5"4, i guess most Asians are short, that sucks) and have only trained for 8 months and no way am i going on any cycle in the next 4-5 years MINIMUM. just from a change in diet and i have gained more in the last 3 months than the first 5 months. and they said we grow more when we first start. NOT if your diet is not in check.

[thickmass]

I agree with MikeXXL, swole, Carlos et al

let's face it though, the guy's an idiot.

[SwoleCat]

\\ have only trained for 8 months and no way am i going on any cycle in the next 4-5 years MINIMUM. just from a change in diet and i have gained more in the last 3 months than the first 5 months. and they said we grow more when we first start. NOT if your diet is not in check.

You are a very smart individual, kudos and karma for you!

:)

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[SwoleCat]

Wow swole look at all the time u wasted to type that, hoping someone would care. Grow up bud.

:shutthefu


Exactly, you have NOTHING to offer as you know NOTHING.

Point proven. You've got to get better at your responses, not at tucking your tail and running, as seen above.

I have no issues in "wasting time typing", as I type about 85 wpm. The above post took me about 2 mins tops to construct. In any event, that's a pitiful/horrid response to being called out, as it's irrelevant (that means it doesn't matter, in case you don't know) if anyone "cares" about my last post, my point was to expose you as the uneducated/non-listening/non-contributing/sh*t talker that you are, and it was for you, no one else.

All you can do is virtually fight w/emoticons, as you have no skills at all in formulating a response worthy of making yourself credible. Yeah, that'll get you that evasive muscle you are after. :rolleyes: (1) Either post some breath-taking pictures of yourself, or, (2) post some informative/helpful info that assist other members in their fitness approach. If you are unable to do either (we already know this) then notify us when you have attained some form of worth.

If anyone is in desperate need to grow up, ummm, it would be you, physically and mentally. You lack a physique AND intelligence.

Better get to work.

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[bluethunder]

Wow! BduBbz telling Swole to grow -up from a 19yr old who has 2 yrs total training and the 1st yr was probably doing only hammer curls with a 12oz bud.

[MIKE_XXL]

If i knew 10 years ago what i know now, my bodybuilding quest would look totally different, i am just trying to help some of you not make the same mistakes i have made in the past, i am trying to share the knowledge that took me very long to acquier, however if you do not want or don't think you need help, that's fine, i will just help people that need it...i spend a lot of time responding to PMs for free, and i help everybody that asks me and have helped hundreds of members on here, so quite frankly i already have my plate full...so if you are to proud and already know it all...that frees up the time for me to help those that need it and want it...XXL

[SwoleCat]

If i knew 10 years ago what i know now, my bodybuilding quest would look totally different, i am just trying to help some of you not make the same mistakes i have made in the past, i am trying to share the knowledge that took me very long to acquier, however if you do not want or don't think you need help, that's fine, i will just help people that need it...i spend a lot of time responding to PMs for free, and i help everybody that asks me and have helped hundreds of members on here, so quite frankly i already have my plate full...so if you are to proud and already know it all...that frees up the time for me to help those that need it and want it...XXL


Very well stated, I'm outta here too.

You all know where to find me. :)

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[DOUGTM1SS]

Dam good post swole cat and mike xxl

[S R H]

He just doesnt know when to stop thats what his problem is.

and as for:...

"I have no issues in "wasting time typing", as I type about 85 wpm. The above post took me about 2 mins tops to construct."

wow that made my day... LMAO

lata tough guy

[SwoleCat]

(1) Either post some breath-taking pictures of yourself, or, (2) post some informative/helpful info that assist other members in their fitness approach. If you are unable to do either (we already know this) then notify us when you have attained some form of worth.

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The more you keep acting like an @ssclown, the more I'll keep calling you out. Note that YOU added your smart little 2 cents here in the first place, having nothing to do w/the topic at hand, hence me offering all that I have to you in the manner that I have. If you keep posting the smart azz remarks and such, of course I'll keep re-stating the obvious and quoting requests that are never fulfilled, as I've done above. However, if you wish to just drop it and move on, then that's great! All was fine before you decided to get involved in a thread you have nothing to do with, and you don't even help w/the topic at hand taboot. So your purpose is ....................??? Precisely........

Your call. I'd never sit idle and let someone represent all kinds of fallacies, all w/out explanation and all w/out backing. Especially when we are in a thread where there are people who wish to learn, and those who wish to teach.

If you don't want any advice, that's your choice, but you're not being a very supportive "bro" to this other guy by f*cking up his thread where he is after advice. At least think of his thread and those others involved, and pm me with your issues/flames if you feel the need to. Let the others learn.

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[novascotia]

The more you keep acting like an @ssclown, the more I'll keep calling you out. Note that YOU added your smart little 2 cents here in the first place, having nothing to do w/the topic at hand, hence me offering all that I have to you in the manner that I have. If you keep posting the smart azz remarks and such, of course I'll keep re-stating the obvious and quoting requests that are never fulfilled, as I've done above. However, if you wish to just drop it and move on, then that's great! All was fine before you decided to get involved in a thread you have nothing to do with, and you don't even help w/the topic at hand taboot. So your purpose is ....................??? Precisely........

Your call. I'd never sit idle and let someone represent all kinds of fallacies, all w/out explanation and all w/out backing. Especially when we are in a thread where there are people who wish to learn, and those who wish to teach.

If you don't want any advice, that's your choice, but you're not being a very supportive "bro" to this other guy by f*cking up his thread where he is after advice. At least think of his thread and those others involved, and pm me with your issues/flames if you feel the need to. Let the others learn.

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try this link http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120785

hardgainer,, it was a little early to start a cycle but whats done is done . now is the time to fix your errors you might have made with your diet and lifting program, you might not have any i dont know, just suggesting thats all.
now back to lurking.

[wolfyEVH]

we are all human here people.....all of you have good points, as well as bad points....just give the best advice you can to help one another out here.....i'm sure most of everyone here is sick of people trying to give advice and act like their advice is far superior than anyone elses. he started his cycle at 155 (or whatever it was), so what??....if you have some comment to say about him starting to early, keep it to yourself....he's already 9 weeks into it....

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

for whom it may concern.... MY DIET (http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?p=1291404#post1291404)

THAT is not a diet, and THAT is why you have a hard time gaining weight...

[hardgainer1]

Agreed that I maybe COULD have gained more weight before going on gear, but i had been working hard at it for several years and have a very good diet for gaining based on advice gotten from this site and others. I am 25 and was plenty ready for this, I had a great cycle and and very happy I did it. I understand the point being made that i should have waited but, I didn't, I loved it and achieved great results from it, mostly thanks to great advice on this board.

And yes I took a proviron everyday.

[hardgainer1]

Also, I was 135 lbs before I started training several years ago

[SwoleCat]

.if you have some comment to say about him starting to early, keep it to yourself...

Ummmm, no this is a message board where thoughts flow freely, and we will post as we see fit.

Thanks, but Internet police aren't needed here, this is all quite routine.

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[SwoleCat]

THAT is not a diet, and THAT is why you have a hard time gaining weight...

That link shows up as invalid.

Where is this diet posted?

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[)(PimP JuicE)(]

Hmmm, that's wierd, last time it worked...diet forum, i think its pretty new...


That link shows up as invalid.

Where is this diet posted?

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[Carlos_E]

we are all human here people.....all of you have good points, as well as bad points....just give the best advice you can to help one another out here.....i'm sure most of everyone here is sick of people trying to give advice and act like their advice is far superior than anyone elses. he started his cycle at 155 (or whatever it was), so what??....if you have some comment to say about him starting to early, keep it to yourself....he's already 9 weeks into it....

wolfyEVH, just out of curiosity. Are you natural? If not, what are your stats and what weight were you when you started cycling?

[Blown_SC]

That link shows up as invalid.

Where is this diet posted?

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It was there, now gone, prolly deleted it...

[mass junkie]

It was there, now gone, prolly deleted it...
yeah I saw it...I dunno about you but I wanted a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after reading it :D

[Blown_SC]

yeah I saw it...I dunno about you but I wanted a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after reading it :D
:lol: Asshole, now I want one AGAIN..

[wolfyEVH]

Ummmm, no this is a message board where thoughts flow freely, and we will post as we see fit.

Thanks, but Internet police aren't needed here, this is all quite routine.

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well you dont have to be a prick about it with smartass comments like this....im sure im speaking for a lot of people when i say that....i'm not trying to burst anyones bubble here, we are all here to help each other.....i know you all are giving constructive criticism here but we dont have to be rude in doing it......

[Blown_SC]

well you dont have to be a prick about it with smartass comments like this....im sure im speaking for a lot of people when i say that....i'm not trying to burst anyones bubble here, we are all here to help each other.....i know you all are giving constructive criticism here but we dont have to be rude in doing it......
They're not trying to be rude...
With experience.... comes just that: experience...
They were all sharing what they felt to be good knowledge, it might be too late in their opinion, but, in stating so, maybe someone else reading this thread doesn't make what THEY feel is a mistake in the future...
Hope I wasn't being rude.

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

TISSUE? :(

well you dont have to be a prick about it with smartass comments like this....im sure im speaking for a lot of people when i say that....i'm not trying to burst anyones bubble here, we are all here to help each other.....i know you all are giving constructive criticism here but we dont have to be rude in doing it......

[Dude-Man]

If i knew 10 years ago what i know now, my bodybuilding quest would look totally different, i am just trying to help some of you not make the same mistakes i have made in the past, i am trying to share the knowledge that took me very long to acquier, however if you do not want or don't think you need help, that's fine, i will just help people that need it...i spend a lot of time responding to PMs for free, and i help everybody that asks me and have helped hundreds of members on here, so quite frankly i already have my plate full...so if you are to proud and already know it all...that frees up the time for me to help those that need it and want it...XXL


Mike's lean bulk diet (with a few modifications) morphed me from 150 lbs to 178 lbs, where i stand today, completely natural, in a little over a year. I always thought i was a "hardgainer", however turns out i was eating the wrong things at all the wrong times. I'm still continuing to gain naturally, using only creatine and whey for supplements.

So to all of you that took the easy way out... way to go. Hope it feels good.

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

Took the easy way out huh...you're retarded, and yeah, it FEELS GREAT :D


Mike's lean bulk diet (with a few modifications) morphed me from 150 lbs to 178 lbs, where i stand today, completely natural, in a little over a year. I always thought i was a "hardgainer", however turns out i was eating the wrong things at all the wrong times. I'm still continuing to gain naturally, using only creatine and whey for supplements.

So to all of you that took the easy way out... way to go. Hope it feels good.

[wolfyEVH]

They're not trying to be rude...
With experience.... comes just that: experience...
They were all sharing what they felt to be good knowledge, it might be too late in their opinion, but, in stating so, maybe someone else reading this thread doesn't make what THEY feel is a mistake in the future...
Hope I wasn't being rude.

i agree with that bro....just comments like "internet police" is rude and unnecessary.....anyways, i'm done with the subject now....all this thread was someone showing their results after 9 weeks on a cycle...and so far its turned into a train wreck....

[S R H]

Mike's lean bulk diet (with a few modifications) morphed me from 150 lbs to 178 lbs, where i stand today, completely natural, in a little over a year. I always thought i was a "hardgainer", however turns out i was eating the wrong things at all the wrong times. I'm still continuing to gain naturally, using only creatine and whey for supplements.

So to all of you that took the easy way out... way to go. Hope it feels good.

and where would this diet be? :)

-hook a brotha up

[Carlos_E]

The bottom line here is if you don't know how to make gains naturally what makes you think you'll know how to keep gains when you come off cycle? I can guarantee that anyone who starts at a low body weight will not keep their gains 2 months after the cycle. They'll end up being the guys who only look big while on and have a yo-yo effect in body weight as they go on and off.

[Blown_SC]

The bottom line here is if you don't know how to make gains naturally what makes you think you'll know how to keep gains when you come off cycle? I can guarantee that anyone who starts at a low body weight will not keep their gains 2 months after the cycle. They'll end up being the guys who only look big while on and have a yo-yo effect in body weight as they go on and off.
Thank-you.. great pt. Carlos...

[TheDfromGC]

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?p=1292136#post1292136 here is diet, sorry about mislink earlier.....

[MIKE_XXL]

Khull_Khuum or anyone else wanting a diet here is a link to a post i did a long time ago about a diet i felt would gain someone some nice lean muscle without sacrafising all the food thattastes on the better side...knowing what i know now i would probably chage a few things in there but it would be a great start for anyone

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=39010

I know it is hard to eat well and consistantly, but unfortunatly BBing is all about sacrafice...peace...XXL

[SwoleCat]

CAPS.......


well you dont have to be a prick about it with smartass comments like this

THAT IS YOUR OPINION, YOU'RE A NEWBIE, YOU'VE NO MENTAL REFERENCES AVAILABLE FROM PRIOR INTERACTIONS. BEST VIEW HERE IS FROM THE SIDELINES.......

....im sure im speaking for a lot of people when i say that.

NOT REALLY, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE "NEW" ENOUGH TO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. AS I SAID, SIDELINES PLEASE.

...i'm not trying to burst anyones bubble here, we are all here to help each other.

SOME FAR MORE THAN OTHERS, AND CREDIBILITY COMES W/TIME. SO CHECK THE RECORD BEFORE YOU MOUTH OFF AND USE VULGARITY. YOU'VE NO CREDIBILITY YET, AND YOU'RE ALREADY MOUTHING OFF. YOUR NET WORTH IS IN THE NEGATIVE AT THIS POINT.

....i know you all are giving constructive criticism here but we dont have to be rude in doing it......

SOME CALL IT RUDE, SOME CALL IT TOUGH LOVE. MY REASON FOR TYPING WHAT I DID, IS MY REASON. I'M NOT CONCERNED W/WHAT YOU THINK OR WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD PLACE HERE, AS I WILL PLACE WHAT I WISH TO PLACE HERE.

READ OR MOVE ALONG THE SIDELINES.

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[SwoleCat]

I will now wait for someone to comment on that diet, and let it be entirely obvious why gains aren't exactly being Fed Ex'ed to one's body.

Then we can get this back on track. :)

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[Dude-Man]

Took the easy way out huh...you're retarded, and yeah, it FEELS GREAT :D


Your logic escapes me. Unless of course you're joking. ;)

But, if you're not.. let's see your pics, pimp juice. I'll post mine any time.

[Dude-Man]

Khull_Khuum or anyone else wanting a diet here is a link to a post i did a long time ago about a diet i felt would gain someone some nice lean muscle without sacrafising all the food thattastes on the better side...knowing what i know now i would probably chage a few things in there but it would be a great start for anyone

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=39010

I know it is hard to eat well and consistantly, but unfortunatly BBing is all about sacrafice...peace...XXL

That's the diet that did it for me.. with another 600 cals or so every day coming from cottage cheese and pineapple.

[SwoleCat]

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?p=1292136#post1292136 here is diet, sorry about mislink earlier.....

Bro, you've got a ton of work to do.

See my comments in the diet forum.

This is a no-brainer, I'm amazed it was this straight-forward/easy.


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[)(PimP JuicE)(]

What do my pics have anything to do with our discussion? you're an idiot...sorry if you think that is harsh but dont come to a steroid website and say that taking steroids is taking the easy way out.

AND, if you take AAS CORRECTLY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SITE IS HERE FOR, there are little to no sides if you are lucky...as for long term, i have not seen one health related long term side affect that has caused serious bodily harm to anyone...if taken correctly...

im posting pics within the week...then you can stare at me all you want... :scratch:


Your logic escapes me. Unless of course you're joking. ;)

But, if you're not.. let's see your pics, pimp juice. I'll post mine any time.

[Dude-Man]

What do my pics have anything to do with our discussion? you're an idiot...sorry if you think that is harsh but dont come to a steroid website and say that taking steroids is taking the easy way out.

AND, if you take AAS CORRECTLY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SITE IS HERE FOR, there are little to no sides if you are lucky...as for long term, i have not seen one health related long term side affect that has caused serious bodily harm to anyone...if taken correctly...

im posting pics within the week...then you can stare at me all you want... :scratch:

Alright, so you weren't joking. And you've managed to get offended at a wink and a light hearted challange. I can't wait to see how HUGE i'm sure steroids have made you. There's absolutely no way at all that my body can even compare in the slightest to yours, because you've used gear and i haven't. I guess we'll have to see about that though.

Also, i stick by my point. If someone's taking steroids at 150 lbs, it is the easy way out. Because unless they're about 5'0, there's no way they've shown any kind of dedication to their diet. But before we crap on this thread any longer, i suggest the topic is moved to PM's.

[SwoleCat]

I just think it's cool that me and Bdubbz got moved off the first "fight" card, and you two are now the main event in this thread.

:lol:

All this stuff is so petty/silly, it's crazy.................

Let it go........all of it, and move on in a positive direction and don't waste any negative energy like this. We could all get more done if we left the trash behind.

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[hardgainer1]

I definitely dont have a perfect diet or workout plan, improvements can always be made.

[LeanMeOut]

Alright, so you weren't joking. And you've managed to get offended at a wink and a light hearted challange. I can't wait to see how HUGE i'm sure steroids have made you. There's absolutely no way at all that my body can even compare in the slightest to yours, because you've used gear and i haven't. I guess we'll have to see about that though.

Also, i stick by my point. If someone's taking steroids at 150 lbs, it is the easy way out. Because unless they're about 5'0, there's no way they've shown any kind of dedication to their diet. But before we crap on this thread any longer, i suggest the topic is moved to PM's.




Your a class act Chris, that was a great reply ;)

[clockworks]

I dunno, I kinda agree with Khull. Through diet and exercise alone, I went from 138 lbs to 162 lbs in less than a year. I was bigger and stronger all around, but I have to say, it wasn't the kind of "big" I was interested in. I mean, I looked great with clothes on, I filled them out well and I looked muscular, but when the shirt came off, I looked kinda flabby (well in my eyes anyways). I changed my diet and went back down to about 154 lbs before I went on my first cycle (which took me to about 172 lbs).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that yeah I can gain (strengthwise and body weight-wise) via diet and training alone...but its not really the kind of body weight i'm looking for. But...I guess people say you can't bulk without gaining some bodyfat, right?

I dunno, I'm so tired of second guessing myself all the time, I'm might seek professional assistance next summer.

Anyways, the roids are so attractive to me because with them, I can put on large amounts of body weight while at the same time losing body fat! That is something I couldn't do via diet alone. Mike or Swole, is it yall's opinion that gaining larges amount of weight naturally go hand in hand with gaining bodyfat? Or do yall think its possible to put on 20 lbs in a year (or less) while losing bodyfat (or at least having your body fat stay the same)?

[S R H]

I just think it's cool that me and Bdubbz got moved off the first "fight" card, and you two are now the main event in this thread.

:lol:

All this stuff is so petty/silly, it's crazy.................

Let it go........all of it, and move on in a positive direction and don't waste any negative energy like this. We could all get more done if we left the trash behind.

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Awww swoley baby... does this mean u wuvvv me now :p

[SwoleCat]

I just don't see a point in bantering back-n-forth repeatedly.

If I waste time on stuff like this, I waste valuable time that I could be using for something else. I never thought of it that way until last night when I got great news.

That news will be disclosed big-time later this year. ;)

Peace people! :)


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[Rocket]

Looking Good Bro. Nice Size and Shape!

Rocket

[MIKE_XXL]

I dunno, I kinda agree with Khull. Through diet and exercise alone, I went from 138 lbs to 162 lbs in less than a year. I was bigger and stronger all around, but I have to say, it wasn't the kind of "big" I was interested in. I mean, I looked great with clothes on, I filled them out well and I looked muscular, but when the shirt came off, I looked kinda flabby (well in my eyes anyways). I changed my diet and went back down to about 154 lbs before I went on my first cycle (which took me to about 172 lbs).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that yeah I can gain (strengthwise and body weight-wise) via diet and training alone...but its not really the kind of body weight i'm looking for. But...I guess people say you can't bulk without gaining some bodyfat, right?

I dunno, I'm so tired of second guessing myself all the time, I'm might seek professional assistance next summer.

Anyways, the roids are so attractive to me because with them, I can put on large amounts of body weight while at the same time losing body fat! That is something I couldn't do via diet alone. Mike or Swole, is it yall's opinion that gaining larges amount of weight naturally go hand in hand with gaining bodyfat? Or do yall think its possible to put on 20 lbs in a year (or less) while losing bodyfat (or at least having your body fat stay the same)?

There will always be some fat gain if you are trying to obtain maximum gains...however there is caloric manipulation you can follow that would allow very minimal fat deposit and nice muscle gains...also it comes down to training...if you cause enough damage that warrants high food intake you will gain muscle not fat...as for traing, i do not belive in high volume of unneccessary sets like 12 sets of 8-10 reps for chest, that is insane and will not build muscle...i believe more in the 1-3 sets for chest to get the job done...but i could write about that for hours and don't really want to get into it right now...XXL

[mfenske]

There will always be some fat gain if you are trying to obtain maximum gains...however there is caloric manipulation you can follow that would allow very minimal fat deposit and nice muscle gains...also it comes down to training...if you cause enough damage that warrants high food intake you will gain muscle not fat...as for traing, i do not belive in high volume of unneccessary sets like 12 sets of 8-10 reps for chest, that is insane and will not build muscle...i believe more in the 1-3 sets for chest to get the job done...but i could write about that for hours and don't really want to get into it right now...XXL
It's funny you mention this. I see so many guys in the gym doing set after set for the same muscles and they look the same way they did when I joined this gym 2 years ago. I am by no means anywhere near a pro bodybuilder but I'm darn proud of the progress I've made (all naturally not that I have anything against those who use anabolics. I'm not ready for that yet, and wifey would kill me.). How did I do it? Heavy, intense training and good quality food 6 to 8 times a day, 7 hours or better of sleep a night, virtually no booze and no drugs, and 3 gallons of H20 a day. Keep up the good work Mike_XXL you're an excellent member of this board. Mark

[biofx]

hardgainer1,

People are just here to help and share knowledge. Don't take offense to the "too early" comments and think of it as "your too small", or "not working hard enough". You probably train your ass off. Patience is crucial though.

Think of it as an investment, you put some money in, then take it out in 2 years. Now, if you put some money in, then take it out in 6 years, you will be a hell of a lot richer. AAs are the same way. If you build, refine, sculpt your physique and squeeze out every possible inch, along with building, refining, and cultivating your diet, you will maximize your potential and the end product.

This not only applies to building mass, but to keeping it also. IMO the more base you have, the more you will keep when you come off the AAs. I have personally seen guys jump on AAs from week 2 (literally) of their training, and they never built or kept **** because their bodies didn't understand muscle. They knew it too, you could almost see the depressed look of catobolism on their faces.

Patience then drugs = explosion of gains

Not trying to play daddy, it's your money and time, and I don't know you so I don't really care; also, I am by no means a monster myself, but my words are not hypocrasy. It's just stuff to think about. Personally, I like to think of the other side of the coin, it enhances what's on this side of the coin.

[clockworks]

There will always be some fat gain if you are trying to obtain maximum gains...however there is caloric manipulation you can follow that would allow very minimal fat deposit and nice muscle gains...also it comes down to training...if you cause enough damage that warrants high food intake you will gain muscle not fat...as for traing, i do not belive in high volume of unneccessary sets like 12 sets of 8-10 reps for chest, that is insane and will not build muscle...i believe more in the 1-3 sets for chest to get the job done...but i could write about that for hours and don't really want to get into it right now...XXL
This brings up another point. I'm a computer programmer. I sit in front of a computer screen for something like 10 hours a day, 5 days a week. I workout for about an hour 5 days a week also. Is that enough? I mean, i'm eating like a body builder (3000+) calories a day and doing NOTHING all day except for an hour long workout. How does having a very inactive lifestyle fit into the picture?

I mean people talk about eating big to gain...but it just doesn't feel right to eat big and do nothing all day except for an hour long workout.

I mountain bike on the weekends for a couple of hours a day if that helps at all.

[MIKE_XXL]

This brings up another point. I'm a computer programmer. I sit in front of a computer screen for something like 10 hours a day, 5 days a week. I workout for about an hour 5 days a week also. Is that enough? I mean, i'm eating like a body builder (3000+) calories a day and doing NOTHING all day except for an hour long workout. How does having a very inactive lifestyle fit into the picture?

I mean people talk about eating big to gain...but it just doesn't feel right to eat big and do nothing all day except for an hour long workout.

I mountain bike on the weekends for a couple of hours a day if that helps at all.

I do nothing all day as well, i train 3-4 days a week at the most 2.5-3.5hours per week and still eat lots, i preffer protein fat meal if you don't do much as the body will drew on fat reserves and fat from food for energy while not being Physically active...you still must eat to grow, it's not the workout that make you big, it's the food, i bet you i can gain more muscle sitting at home eating and not training then the other way around...XXL

[Carlos_E]

This brings up another point. I'm a computer programmer. I sit in front of a computer screen for something like 10 hours a day, 5 days a week. I workout for about an hour 5 days a week also. Is that enough? I mean, i'm eating like a body builder (3000+) calories a day and doing NOTHING all day except for an hour long workout. How does having a very inactive lifestyle fit into the picture?

I mean people talk about eating big to gain...but it just doesn't feel right to eat big and do nothing all day except for an hour long workout.

I mountain bike on the weekends for a couple of hours a day if that helps at all.

You're not taking into account a person metabolism. I sit in front of a computer all day. I eat over 5000 cals and workout 1 hour 5 days a week and I STILL have a hard time gaining weight. I have to eat high cals/dirty foods to make gains because I burn so many calories sitting in front of my computer doing nothing.

[wired-up]

any pre-cycle pics?

[Britguy]

fvck me XXL and Swole have a lot of asslickers in this thread!

[anteriordeltoid]

what kind of test cyp is this? what brand?

[SwoleCat]

fvck me XXL and Swole have a lot of asslickers in this thread!

Not just this thread, but all over. :lol:

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[AustrianOAK14]

mikexxl knows his stuff bros listen to him

[anabolicwannabe]

i'd lick his ass only cause i respect him. :lol: