Anavar Diary

[Taurus]

1-10 var @75mg ed
1-10 milk thistle @600mg ed
1-10 hawthrone berry extract @750mg ed
1-10 flush free niacin @500mg ed
8-13 clen
10-14 clomid + nolv pct

Stats:

weight: 203
height: 6'1
age: 27


been weight lifting for 8 years or so. i have all the mass i want. now i just want to get cut and more vascular, hence this mild anavar cycle.

i will keep you guys posted.

[motoxer23]

i've had great luck with var in the past, if its your first time using it your gonna love it, you'll see new veins coming up each day, i'm actually planning another Var cycle soon, and i plan on adding clen also for the first time, although haven't decided yet, the dreaded clen "shakes" scare me, don't want people at work thinking i'm a crack addict or my family thinking that, keep this updated though and let us know how your doing, good luck

[Taurus]

1st week update:

weight: 207 lbs (up 4 lbs)
strength: slightly up
side effects: none

my muscles feel harder and i'm beginning to feel pumped long after the workout has ended. i didnt see much for the first 5 days, but on the 6th and seventh, i'm noticing differences in my physique. nothing drastic, but it seems to be working.

[Hellmaskbanned]

1st week update:

weight: 207 lbs (up 4 lbs)
strength: slightly up
side effects: none

my muscles feel harder and i'm beginning to feel pumped long after the workout has ended. i didnt see much for the first 5 days, but on the 6th and seventh, i'm noticing differences in my physique. nothing drastic, but it seems to be working.

Up 4 pounds already?
Do you give credit to your diet/workouts or the var? Seems alittle to early for those gains by var.
Goodluck keep us updated, anavar has been something I considered taking.

[Taurus]

Up 4 pounds already?
Do you give credit to your diet/workouts or the var? Seems alittle to early for those gains by var.
Goodluck keep us updated, anavar has been something I considered taking.

Well, my workout is almost the exact same, my diet has been geared towards cutting/lean mass, i.e; 275-300g of protein, 200-250g of carbs, 50-80g of fat.

To tell the truth, my diet and workout prior to starting the var was very similar to the diet and training for the first week whilst on var, so the 4 pounds has to be attributed to the var... it has to be.

[Taurus]

2nd week update:

weight: 205 lbs (down 2 pounds)
strength: havent noticed much
side effects: none

summary: i have lost 2 pounds, but i am getting alot harder. my shoulders and back are getting more defined. i have also noticed my jawline getting more exposed. i havent had the pumps that most people have experienced. the pumps on superdrol were much worse. i also dont feel as pumped on off days as i was on superdrol. but, i have def noticed a difference in my body, there is def more shape than when i started, so i guess i cant complain.

[Taurus]

3rd week update:

weight: 207 lbs (up 2 pounds)
strength: nothing profound
side effects: none

summary: my body is now taking on shape. my shoulders are beginning to cap, my back is getting more defined and my arms are also getting alot more defined. 3 weeks in and things are going good!

[big L 17]

you will love it i just finished my var cycle i was taking 20mgs,you will love the defition it gives you.i already wanna take another cycle.i am suprised you havent had any sides yet i did.

[Taurus]

you will love it i just finished my var cycle i was taking 20mgs,you will love the defition it gives you.i already wanna take another cycle.i am suprised you havent had any sides yet i did.

i knew that the sides were very mild from anavar. i am taking milk thistle and flush free niacin/EFA's for liver and cholesterol respectively.

i have read some people get some stomach discomfort and some tiredness. i havent experienced either. but, on the flip side, i also have not experienced the severe pumps that some have experienced as i think pumps are a good thing!

[Taurus]

4th week update:

weight: 206lbs (down 1lbs)
strength: not noticable.
side effects: none.

summary: this week was an off week. i didnt miss a workout, but i didnt feel sore or get the pump as i normally would. didnt notice much of a change in my body. anyone have any comments? i work one body part a week, and i do a 3 days on 1 day off split.

[mark956101957]

I find that really odd that your strenth has not gone up. That is one of the most noticable things with var and the pumps? Strange.

[Taurus]

5th week update:

weight: 209 lbs (up 4lbs)
strength: slightly ip
side effects: none

summary: i dont feel sore the next day after my workouts, and the pump is totally gone. on the upside, i do look thicker this week. i have gained 4 pounds somehow...dont ask me how... i dont understand it myself. my caloric intake is to cut, not grow. my arms also look bigger. as long as something is happening, i guess i cant complain.

[Taurus]

6th week update:

weight: 206 lbs (down 3lbs)
strength: slightly ip
side effects: none

summary: my midsection is getting firmer. arms are also gettin more cut. the main difference i am now noticing is that my midsection is beginning to trim down.

[QuieTSToRM33]

keep up the good work bro ....

are u noticing any loss of appetite or loss of libido ???

[Duckmanfoochew]

How did you decide upon 75mg? In your opinion, what would be an ideal dose for a 175lbs lean male?

[Taurus]

7th week update:

weight: 206 lbs (no change)
strength: strength is now increasing rapidly (added 30 lbs to my bench... i couldnt believe it).
side effects: none

summary: i am only now seeing strength gains. my deadlift went up 40 pounds, and my bench 30 lbs. i couldnt believe it. i dont know why so late, as i only have 3 weeks left.. kinda sucks... i'm thinking about extending the cycle another 4 weeks but i will get my bloodwork done to see if my liver and cholesterol levels will permit it or not. my midsection is trimming down more, i can soo feel it. i love this stuff!

[Taurus]

How did you decide upon 75mg? In your opinion, what would be an ideal dose for a 175lbs lean male?

i know a friend who did 75mg, and he's smaller than me... so i decided to go the same route. when i started, i was almost 210, seeing as your 175, i would start with 50mg and take it from there. if u can handle the pumps and are not experience the sides that some feel (such as loss of appetite, loss of libido, tiredness...etc) then u can up the dose.

luckily, i have had no side effects up to date... touch wood!

[Duckmanfoochew]

Would you do it any differently?? I am considering running ed prop for 10 weeks with the final 6 weeks with var.
Any input??

[Taurus]

Would you do it any differently?? I am considering running ed prop for 10 weeks with the final 6 weeks with var.
Any input??

i was going to do it exactly like u, prop and var for 10 weeks. i even bought the prop. but i already have enough mass... so i was scared that the prop would make me grow too much. so i decided to do the var alone... and if the var didnt work, i was going to add the prop later. it turned out that the var was all i needed. i get good gains off of just creatine, so i was pretty sure that i would react positively to the var.

in your case, if ur looking to put on size as well as get cut, i would add the prop. dont expect any size from the var. it will def cut u up and make it LOOK as though u are bigger... but in terms of muscle mass... you should def add the prop.

[Taurus]

8th week update:

weight: 207 lbs (up 1lbs)
strength: strength increasing slowly
side effects: none

summary: the best week so far. i am beginning to look thicker now. my shoulders, back and chest look pumped. why the hell is this stuff only kicking in now. damn.

[chest6]

pretty interesting...you still thinking about extending it?

[Sir Auron]

This is truly interesting, thanks for posting this diary.

I'm thinking of doing an Anavar cycle too. I'm bulking right now, so I'll continue to work out cleanly, but when I start to cut in mid march, I'm thinking of doing a mild Anavar cycle. I wanna keep most of the mass when I cut, but at the same time I want to have more defined muscles and burn fat. Anavar seems like perfect for this.

I could have stacked Anavar with Primobolan, but since I want to keep it as safe as possible, I'm more interested in an Anavar only cycle. I wanna keep the dose low too, so what dose would you recommend to someone who weighs 200 lbs (which I will be at, when I'm finished bulking)?

I was thinking of doing a 8-10 weeks cycle. Looking at your cycle, you are also taking milk thistle, hawthrone berry extract and flush free niacin. Would you care to explain why you are taking these as well? This will be my first cycle so I want to gather as much information as possible before I go through with it.

Also, is it necessary to take clen for someone like me? And would it be necessary with clomid and nolvadex, even if you are only taking a mild dosage, and considering that Anavar don't tamper with your own production of testo?

I'm sorry for hi-jacking the thread, but I'd appreciate it if you could provide me with some answers. :)

Btw, have you really not experienced any side effects at all?

Keep us updated.

[Milky87]

hawthorne berry: I think blood pressure
milk thiste: liver protection
Niacin: cholesterol (I may have niacin and hawthorne mixed up)

while clen isnt necessary, it may help.

Anavar acn suppress natural testosterone production so it would be good to use some nolva at the end of the cycle

[Taurus]

pretty interesting...you still thinking about extending it?

yes... i am gonna extend my cycle by 4 weeks. i have only just started seeing strength gains and fat loss, so it would be stupid to stop now. i have felt no sides what so ever. i am taking all the precautions. i have my pct on hand to start a.s.a.p.

[Taurus]

This is truly interesting, thanks for posting this diary.

I'm thinking of doing an Anavar cycle too. I'm bulking right now, so I'll continue to work out cleanly, but when I start to cut in mid march, I'm thinking of doing a mild Anavar cycle. I wanna keep most of the mass when I cut, but at the same time I want to have more defined muscles and burn fat. Anavar seems like perfect for this.

I could have stacked Anavar with Primobolan, but since I want to keep it as safe as possible, I'm more interested in an Anavar only cycle. I wanna keep the dose low too, so what dose would you recommend to someone who weighs 200 lbs (which I will be at, when I'm finished bulking)?

I was thinking of doing a 8-10 weeks cycle. Looking at your cycle, you are also taking milk thistle, hawthrone berry extract and flush free niacin. Would you care to explain why you are taking these as well? This will be my first cycle so I want to gather as much information as possible before I go through with it.

Also, is it necessary to take clen for someone like me? And would it be necessary with clomid and nolvadex, even if you are only taking a mild dosage, and considering that Anavar don't tamper with your own production of testo?

I'm sorry for hi-jacking the thread, but I'd appreciate it if you could provide me with some answers. :)

Btw, have you really not experienced any side effects at all?

Keep us updated.

mikey answered all ur questions, and he was right about the supplements i am taking.

as for clen, it will help me keep up my calories without putting on any fat during pct (hopefully it will help in shedding more fat... but main priority is to keep what i have gained).

[Taurus]

9th week update:

weight: 205 lbs (down 2lbs)
strength: strength increasing slowly
side effects: none

summary: ok... bf% is decreasing. my midsection is looking trimmer and trimmer everyday. my boxer shorts arent fitting me anymore.

i have decided to extend the cycle by 4 weeks.

[Darren1968]

so your weight has only dropped slightly but your strenth has increased & ur body fat is going down.......Sounds good to me.
What was your body fat % before the cycle & what is it now ?
Will you put up before & after cycle pics ?

Daz

[muriloninja]

:aapostpic

Sure would be nice to see some pics, sounds like you are getting good results, post that shit bro.

[SVTMuscle*]

sounds great man. a few questions.

Are you using oral or injection Anavar?

And, is using Anavar without a test a smart/safe thing to do?

[MAXIMA5]

you will love it i just finished my var cycle i was taking 20mgs,you will love the defition it gives you.i already wanna take another cycle.i am suprised you havent had any sides yet i did.

Var is the bomb. Females may have different sides than men.

[MAXIMA5]

8th week update:

weight: 207 lbs (up 1lbs)
strength: strength increasing slowly
side effects: none

summary: the best week so far. i am beginning to look thicker now. my shoulders, back and chest look pumped. why the hell is this stuff only kicking in now. damn.

Don't worry about your weight. It should only fluctuate slightly, since you will be burning more fat and increasing muscle density. It's how Anavar affects your physique when combined with cardio and a solid balanced workout that is so impressive.

If you look better and feel better, it's working.

[muriloninja]

Don't worry about your weight. It should only fluctuate slightly, since you will be burning more fat and increasing muscle density. It's how Anavar affects your physique when combined with cardio and a solid balanced workout that is so impressive.

If you look better and feel better, it's working.


Exactly, sounds like you should ignore the scale and focus on th mirror and BF testing.

[Taurus]

10th week update:

weight: 202 lbs (down 3lbs)
strength: same
side effects: none

summary: hurt my shoulder this week so i took 4 days off to recover. lost 3 pounds during that time. wasitline is still getting trimmer. not much to report this week. what do u guys advise for the shoulder. i've had a niggling injury for like 6 months. when i do the bench press, it re-aggrevates it. so i switched to the flat dumbell press and i was ok. last i week i trid the barbell press again and once again it hurt. what do u think the problem is? funny thing is, i'm fine when i do my shoulder presses.

[MAXIMA5]

10th week update:

weight: 202 lbs (down 3lbs)
strength: same
side effects: none

summary: hurt my shoulder this week so i took 4 days off to recover. lost 3 pounds during that time. wasitline is still getting trimmer. not much to report this week. what do u guys advise for the shoulder. i've had a niggling injury for like 6 months. when i do the bench press, it re-aggrevates it. so i switched to the flat dumbell press and i was ok. last i week i trid the barbell press again and once again it hurt. what do u think the problem is? funny thing is, i'm fine when i do my shoulder presses.

Switch to Static Contraction training for the next 2 sessions and let me know how you feel after. FOr more info on Static training go to http://www.precisiontraining.com/ebook.cfm You won't use full range of motion, so it shouldn;t hurt your rotator cuff, or agravate whatever your current injury is. Don't overdo it with the weight, but add 20% to your 1 rep max and just hold it as long as you can. Then add more weight and hold it again, then do one more set with slightly more weight. 3 sets total. Sometimes this jumpstarts your body and helps you defeat a plateau. By supporting more weight at the extended position than your body has lifted, it tricks your body into accelerating muscle growth in those areas in order to handle the workload next time. Basic principle of progressive overload.

After your first session, you will want to keep lifting. DONT! Because the workout takes very little time, you will not think you've accomplished anything, but wait until the next day and your soreness will let you know otherwise.

KEEP TAKING THE ANAVAR.

Good luck, rest the shoulder for 3 days and then try the Static training.

[Taurus]

Switch to Static Contraction training for the next 2 sessions and let me know how you feel after. FOr more info on Static training go to http://www.precisiontraining.com/ebook.cfm You won't use full range of motion, so it shouldn;t hurt your rotator cuff, or agravate whatever your current injury is. Don't overdo it with the weight, but add 20% to your 1 rep max and just hold it as long as you can. Then add more weight and hold it again, then do one more set with slightly more weight. 3 sets total. Sometimes this jumpstarts your body and helps you defeat a plateau. By supporting more weight at the extended position than your body has lifted, it tricks your body into accelerating muscle growth in those areas in order to handle the workload next time. Basic principle of progressive overload.

After your first session, you will want to keep lifting. DONT! Because the workout takes very little time, you will not think you've accomplished anything, but wait until the next day and your soreness will let you know otherwise.

KEEP TAKING THE ANAVAR.

Good luck, rest the shoulder for 3 days and then try the Static training.

i went to the site... but it just has info on what can happen if you follow the program... it doesnt tell what the program actually is...obviously.

i agree with the principle. but for what excercises do i do this? bench, squat, military? one excercise per worokout? 3 sets per workout? how does this work?

i remember back in the day when i used to jus hold a loaded bar for the bench for like 20 secs and it used to give me a mad pump... sounds interesting... but i need more info!

[chest6]

Dumbbells are better to use when you have a annoying injury that isnt bad enough to take time off imo. That static training sounds like a good idea too

[MAXIMA5]

I forgot that precision training site is like a giant Info-mercial now for that machine.
I signed up for the actual program on www.mystrengthcoach.com, which is the same company. It cost me like 15 bucks a month and it gives you programs, calculates your workout intensity/weight based on past performance, charts your measurments, etc...
It prints out your workouts for you before each session and keeps a log of your workout history.

The best lifts to use Static training for are core lifts with a spotter or Smith machine.

Leg Press (NOT SQUAT - You'll rip a nut in a regular squat rack) I do one-legged 1/4 reps on leg press. This means you never release th guard, but bring the sled down just until it touches the safety guard and extend.

Flat Bench / Incline/ Close Grip Bench In the smith machine with safetys set - this way ou can even do a negative on your last set with no spotter.

LAT PULL DOWN - Put on a ton of weight and pull it down until you cant move it anymore and hold. Arms/elbows should be at right angle

Cheat Curls Seated - Sit on the bench with a straight bar and put 115-135 lbs on. Lift the bar off your lap to a 90 degree angle and hold. a week or 2 of this and it can stimulate bicep growth that has plateaued.

I haven't been doing Static for the last month. I've been doing high rep high intensity workouts and I'm going to switch back to Static soon. I like to mix it up. I put on 15 lbs of muscle doing static naturally, and now I'm trying to lost some bf% and cut up.

The best thing about static workouts is the fact that you'll have plenty of time left over for cardio and that you'll get stronger every workout and it keeps you motivated.

[Taurus]

I forgot that precision training site is like a giant Info-mercial now for that machine.
I signed up for the actual program on www.mystrengthcoach.com, which is the same company. It cost me like 15 bucks a month and it gives you programs, calculates your workout intensity/weight based on past performance, charts your measurments, etc...
It prints out your workouts for you before each session and keeps a log of your workout history.

The best lifts to use Static training for are core lifts with a spotter or Smith machine.

Leg Press (NOT SQUAT - You'll rip a nut in a regular squat rack) I do one-legged 1/4 reps on leg press. This means you never release th guard, but bring the sled down just until it touches the safety guard and extend.

Flat Bench / Incline/ Close Grip Bench In the smith machine with safetys set - this way ou can even do a negative on your last set with no spotter.

LAT PULL DOWN - Put on a ton of weight and pull it down until you cant move it anymore and hold. Arms/elbows should be at right angle

Cheat Curls Seated - Sit on the bench with a straight bar and put 115-135 lbs on. Lift the bar off your lap to a 90 degree angle and hold. a week or 2 of this and it can stimulate bicep growth that has plateaued.

I haven't been doing Static for the last month. I've been doing high rep high intensity workouts and I'm going to switch back to Static soon. I like to mix it up. I put on 15 lbs of muscle doing static naturally, and now I'm trying to lost some bf% and cut up.

The best thing about static workouts is the fact that you'll have plenty of time left over for cardio and that you'll get stronger every workout and it keeps you motivated.

are all the lifts done on the same day? what would u do on what day and how many sets? what would the actuall workout look like including warm-up sets. i think this is exactly what i need.

[Taurus]

11th week update:

weight: 201 lbs (down 1lbs)
strength: same
side effects: none

summary: i had bad back pumps this week. this week has been the worst week. i feel as though i've lost muscle mass. i dont seem as wide. maybe its cuz i havent hit the gym as much, but styll... i have been eating good. i dont know, we'll see if this continues next week...if it does, then its time to hit pct i guess!

[MAXIMA5]

11th week update:

weight: 201 lbs (down 1lbs)
strength: same
side effects: none

summary: i had bad back pumps this week. this week has been the worst week. i feel as though i've lost muscle mass. i dont seem as wide. maybe its cuz i havent hit the gym as much, but styll... i have been eating good. i dont know, we'll see if this continues next week...if it does, then its time to hit pct i guess!

I was also getting frustrated this week because I was plateauing. I took 24 hours off, and my body had a chance to break down all the lactic acid that had been building up. My squat jumped 15% today, and my Shoulder predd jumped 20%. I'm on week 3 of anavar and it just now seems to be kicking in hard. I'll get back to you on a Static workout.

[MAXIMA5]

are all the lifts done on the same day? what would u do on what day and how many sets? what would the actuall workout look like including warm-up sets. i think this is exactly what i need.

Okay, Here's a 2 workout rotation to put on mass and gain strength fast.
Take at least one day off in between workouts, at least 2 if you are only using Anavar and no other AAS. I know, it's hard to stay out of the gym, but a day of rest is more important than a hard workout sometimes, especially when de****g with high intensity weight. Overtraining is the main reason athletes stop making gains.

SCT = Static Contraction Training. This means hold the weight at the peak of the range of motion and hold.

PFT = Power Factor Training. This means you set the guard on the smith machine to stop the weight before you drop below the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the range of motion. This training involves reps up to 6 or 7 with high weight, but not as high as SCT.

REG = Standard full range of motion reps



Workout A

SCT

Shoulder Press (Smith machine) add weight each set, no matter what
Max + 20% _______ x 8 seconds
_______ x 5 seconds
_______ x 5 seconds

Biceps (seated on flat bench)
Hold the bar in your lap, grip shoulder width. Curl weight to 90 deg and hold add weight each set
Max + 20 % ______ x 7 seconds
______ x 5 seconds
_______x 5 seconds

SHRUGS - Smith Machine
I suggest invensting in some straps, or lifting hooks.
Max + 20 % ________ x 7 seconds
add weight _________x 7 seconds
add wght. ________ x 5 seconds

CLOSE GRIP BENCH (Smith Machine)
Max + 20% _______ x 7 seconds
add wght _________ x 5 seconds
add wght __________x 5 seconds


REGULAR REPS

PREACHER CURL - 3 sets of 5-7 reps

SKULL CRUSHERS 3 sets of 5-7 reps




WORKOUT B


SCT Static

BENCH PRESS SMITH MACHINE

Max + 20 % _______ x 7 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds

TOE PRESS on Leg Press extend cavs and hold
Max + 20 % _______ x 10 seconds
add weight ________ x 7 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds
add weight________ x 4-5 seconds

LAT PULL DOWN pull down as close to 90 degrees as you can get and hold
Max Weight + 10% _____x 7 seconds
add weight _________ x 7 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds


PFT TRAINING
Remember, these are 1/4 range of motion reps with high weight

BENCH PRESS
Max + 20 % _______ x 10 reps
add weight ________ x 7 reps
add weight ________ x 5 reps

LEG PRESS
Static is out of the question due to weight limitations at most gyms. PFT will stress your quads without making your ass huge or stressing your knees. Press weight off guard, but leave guard in place. lower weight until it touches guard, then back up.
Max + 20 % _______ x 10 reps
add weight ________ x 7 reps
add weight ________ x 5 reps

Regular concentration reps - 3 sets of 10 on pec deck to finish.

[Taurus]

Okay, Here's a 2 workout rotation to put on mass and gain strength fast.
Take at least one day off in between workouts, at least 2 if you are only using Anavar and no other AAS. I know, it's hard to stay out of the gym, but a day of rest is more important than a hard workout sometimes, especially when de****g with high intensity weight. Overtraining is the main reason athletes stop making gains.

SCT = Static Contraction Training. This means hold the weight at the peak of the range of motion and hold.

PFT = Power Factor Training. This means you set the guard on the smith machine to stop the weight before you drop below the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the range of motion. This training involves reps up to 6 or 7 with high weight, but not as high as SCT.

REG = Standard full range of motion reps



Workout A

SCT

Shoulder Press (Smith machine) add weight each set, no matter what
Max + 20% _______ x 8 seconds
_______ x 5 seconds
_______ x 5 seconds

Biceps (seated on flat bench)
Hold the bar in your lap, grip shoulder width. Curl weight to 90 deg and hold add weight each set
Max + 20 % ______ x 7 seconds
______ x 5 seconds
_______x 5 seconds

SHRUGS - Smith Machine
I suggest invensting in some straps, or lifting hooks.
Max + 20 % ________ x 7 seconds
add weight _________x 7 seconds
add wght. ________ x 5 seconds

CLOSE GRIP BENCH (Smith Machine)
Max + 20% _______ x 7 seconds
add wght _________ x 5 seconds
add wght __________x 5 seconds


REGULAR REPS

PREACHER CURL - 3 sets of 5-7 reps

SKULL CRUSHERS 3 sets of 5-7 reps




WORKOUT B


SCT Static

BENCH PRESS SMITH MACHINE

Max + 20 % _______ x 7 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds

TOE PRESS on Leg Press extend cavs and hold
Max + 20 % _______ x 10 seconds
add weight ________ x 7 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds
add weight________ x 4-5 seconds

LAT PULL DOWN pull down as close to 90 degrees as you can get and hold
Max Weight + 10% _____x 7 seconds
add weight _________ x 7 seconds
add weight ________ x 5 seconds


PFT TRAINING
Remember, these are 1/4 range of motion reps with high weight

BENCH PRESS
Max + 20 % _______ x 10 reps
add weight ________ x 7 reps
add weight ________ x 5 reps

LEG PRESS
Static is out of the question due to weight limitations at most gyms. PFT will stress your quads without making your ass huge or stressing your knees. Press weight off guard, but leave guard in place. lower weight until it touches guard, then back up.
Max + 20 % _______ x 10 reps
add weight ________ x 7 reps
add weight ________ x 5 reps

Regular concentration reps - 3 sets of 10 on pec deck to finish.

Thanks for the info bro. I am definately gonna try this out. As for the var, i started seing results in the 6th week.

I'm almost done... i got as much as i expected. what does ur cycle look like?
are u taking ur cholesterol control supps?

[MAXIMA5]

Thanks for the info bro. I am definately gonna try this out. As for the var, i started seing results in the 6th week.

I'm almost done... i got as much as i expected. what does ur cycle look like?
are u taking ur cholesterol control supps?

No, I'm not taking any supps yet, but I may get some Milk Thistle and Niacin soon

I've been running 50 mg per day, but I'm going to take a week off and then start the following cycle
Weeks 1-12 Testex Test C 600mgs
Weeks 1-6 11-12 Var 50-60mgs ED
Weeks 1-11 EQ 600mgs
Weeks 1-10 Letro 1 mg EOD Week 11-13 1 mg ED

[chinups]

10th week update:

weight: 202 lbs (down 3lbs)
strength: same
side effects: none

summary: hurt my shoulder this week so i took 4 days off to recover. lost 3 pounds during that time. wasitline is still getting trimmer. not much to report this week. what do u guys advise for the shoulder. i've had a niggling injury for like 6 months. when i do the bench press, it re-aggrevates it. so i switched to the flat dumbell press and i was ok. last i week i trid the barbell press again and once again it hurt. what do u think the problem is? funny thing is, i'm fine when i do my shoulder presses.

FLOOD your body with chondritan/msm/glucosimine. This worked for me when I had tendenitis in my shoulders

I am staring tbol/var soon and I was going to do 50mg tbol/50mg anavar for 50 days and thats it. so about 7 weeks.

What brand of anavar are you using?

[MAXIMA5]

I'm using BD, but it's expensive.

[Hellmaskbanned]

FLOOD your body with chondritan/msm/glucosimine. This worked for me when I had tendenitis in my shoulders

I am staring tbol/var soon and I was going to do 50mg tbol/50mg anavar for 50 days and thats it. so about 7 weeks.

What brand of anavar are you using?



I'm starting the same CYCLE!
Did t-bol by itself and liked it. Not a drastic change in strength and size but still enjoyable.

I'm doing var-40mgs tbol 40mgs/day for 8 weeks.


Nice thread taurus, got any before and after pics?

[chinups]

so you did 40/40 already or doing now??? I am doing 50 days 50/50

I look to have a great cycle!!!!!! 10 lbs leannnnnnnnn and meannnnnnnn

[Hellmaskbanned]

so you did 40/40 already or doing now??? I am doing 50 days 50/50

I look to have a great cycle!!!!!! 10 lbs leannnnnnnnn and meannnnnnnn


I'm starting tbol/var soon.
I've done t-bol only already.

I want to shed some Bf while gaining only muscle. NO WATER for me.:aaGreen22

[Milky87]

Good luck to the both of you on your tbol/var cycles

[Taurus]

in the last 2 weeks...i have taken almost 6 days off because of shoulder pain and bad back pumps. instead of injuring myself worse, i took some time off. in this time, i was eating regularly with good amounts of protein. i did no cardio cuz of the back pain.

i have lost about 4 pounds. how much of this could be muscle? the fact that i have an anabolic in my body, is it impossible for me to lose muscle even if i dont workout and am feeding myself correctly?

my shoulder feels alot better and i will hit the gym with my normal routine as of today, even then i will work light just to get back into the rhythm.

[MAXIMA5]

What's your bf%? This might help you figure out what you're losing.

Damn, I wish I cold lose 4 lbs of fat in 6 days. It wouldn;t make sense that you could lose 4 lbs of muscle while eating and running var. Are you running CLen or something also?

[Hellmaskbanned]

Good luck to the both of you on your tbol/var cycles

Thanks.:hello:



Taurus, If you've been hitting the weights hard for 10+ weeks while on cycle, this week off can only help your body recuperate and grow/heal. I don't think your losing any muscle from 6 days of not training while on var. When resting your shoulder make sure to ice it aswell, this always makes a huge difference with my nagging injurys.

[Taurus]

i went to the gym today and yesterday. i did chest yesterday and back today. my strength has dropped. i dont get a pump whatsoever. i'm feeling smaller and my gym shirts arent as tight anymore. i think it might be time to start pct. the end of my twelfth week will be on wednesday. i have 2 more workouts till then...we'll see what happens.

[jon77]

keep up the good work...

[Duckmanfoochew]

What are the Var pct options? Nova and or clomid, which is most effective????

[MAXIMA5]

What are the Var pct options? Nova and or clomid, which is most effective????

Good question. I was wondering the same thing. I was just going to run Letro, but I'm not sure about length of pct or dose. What about you Taurus?

[chinups]

It doesn't appear you need to do an intense pct like you would on another cycle. I think you could go with a OTC pct but I probably will do a 21 day clomid anyways.

I am taking some letro during the first 4 wks of my cycle, just because I have some left over from a test cycle I did. I guess it will make me a bit tighter and stop any estro tbol might give me

[Hellmaskbanned]

It doesn't appear you need to do an intense pct like you would on another cycle. I think you could go with a OTC pct but I probably will do a 21 day clomid anyways.

I am taking some letro during the first 4 wks of my cycle, just because I have some left over from a test cycle I did. I guess it will make me a bit tighter and stop any estro tbol might give me


T-bol won't give you any estrogen, it doesn't aromatize. You won't see any water retention whatsoeva. Letro would be a waste , it will only probly dry out your joints causing pains or injurys. With anavar/T-bol you will be dry. The very few who claim they got water weight from t-bol, are either A. Got d-bol accidently B. Running over 100mgs which is way to high and not needed Or C. ate to much crap and got fat from food.

[chinups]

Yeah true but I thought since I have a bit left I would dry up a bit more, I don't even know if I have 4 wks in it. Maybe I won't use it

[Taurus]

i am going to do phhedno's 30 day pct:

1-30 clomid @100mg
1-30 nolv @40mg
1-36 clen

the reason i am not gonna do the 21 day clomid therapy is cuz the first dose of 300mg of clomid didnt go down well with me. i got these wierd spots on my face that didnt clear for like 2-3 months and i was always so tired. i think 300mg of clomid is a bit intense for anavar. so i will do 100mg of clomid, maybe not for the full duration of the 30 days...but if it takes that long for me to feel better then so be it...better safe than sorry i say...and this pct is relatively cheap!

[MAXIMA5]

i am going to do phhedno's 30 day pct:

1-30 clomid @100mg
1-30 nolv @40mg
1-36 clen

the reason i am not gonna do the 21 day clomid therapy is cuz the first dose of 300mg of clomid didnt go down well with me. i got these wierd spots on my face that didnt clear for like 2-3 months and i was always so tired. i think 300mg of clomid is a bit intense for anavar. so i will do 100mg of clomid, maybe not for the full duration of the 30 days...but if it takes that long for me to feel better then so be it...better safe than sorry i say...and this pct is relatively cheap!

WHOA WHOA. You're only running var. THat sounds like total overkill. What is the clen for? are you trying to lose all the muscle you may have put on?

[chinups]

Kinda what I thought. I was going to do a quick 21 day clomid therapy or just use some OTC crap.

[Taurus]

WHOA WHOA. You're only running var. THat sounds like total overkill. What is the clen for? are you trying to lose all the muscle you may have put on?

overkill? that is my proposed pct. if i feel back to normal within 10 days of takin it i will stop. all depends on my body. the clen will help me cut up more and keep my calories up during pct without putting on any extra fat.

[MAXIMA5]

I think you'll make youself feel worse my using all that pct. Unless you're running more than anavar, I think you'd be better off starting out lower than higher with your pct dose. Remember, Anavar isn't highly anabolic, and it's technically very very weak.

I would ask a Vet about clen and pct at the same time after a Var cycle. I don;t want you to sacrifice any muscle you've busted your ass to build and solidify with teh anavar.

Again, this is just my novice opinion.

Also, have you tried the Static training yet, or are you still recovering from your shoulder?

Pct may be a good time to do Static and cardio. The Static workout will keep your gains, and leave you plenty pf time to do cardio to burn any left over fat.

[Liftnainez]

I thought clen would be good after a var cycle during pct just to shed off the fat that one might put on while trying to keep gains

[Taurus]

I thought clen would be good after a var cycle during pct just to shed off the fat that one might put on while trying to keep gains
from all the research i have done... i was under the same impression. i can keep my calories up while on pct and not put on any fat. clen does not cause muscle loss. regardless of whether var is mild or not, it still is anabolic and still does require some sort of pct....whether it be nolv or clomid or both. i have a post that i will put up here...lemme jus find it.

[MAXIMA5]

Somebody clear this up for me. Are Clomid, Nolva, and Letro interchangable?
I'm trying to plan my Pct for Testex C, EQ, and Var

[Taurus]

Somebody clear this up for me. Are Clomid, Nolva, and Letro interchangable?
I'm trying to plan my Pct for Testex C, EQ, and Var

clomid and nolv are different. both are good for pct but both do different things. there is a school of thought which says only nolv is sufficient for pct and clomid is not needed. letro is similiar to nolv rather than clomid. do a search. just punch in letro and u will have ur answer within seconds.

[MAXIMA5]

I already used Letro to dry up some pre-existing nipple puffiness, so I already have that ready. I couldn;t figure out which to add to it for pct. I guess the answer is Clomid. THanks bro. How's the shoulder?

[Narkissos]

Somebody clear this up for me. Are Clomid, Nolva, and Letro interchangable?
I'm trying to plan my Pct for Testex C, EQ, and Var

Don't mean to hijack your thread T. .. i've been following it from it's inception tho.

Nolva and Clomid are interchangeable for PCT... tho some people usually combine both.

Personally i use Nolva alone.

Letro and Nolva are not similar... nor interchangeable

Nolva (and the like) are SERMs, they bond to the estrogen receptor.. preventing circulating estrogen from doing so.

Letro is an AI (aromatase inhibitor).. it prevents testosterone from aromatising (tru the inhibition of the aromatase enzyme)

Letro is used on cycle solely (or off-cycle for the treatment of gyno).. but never in PCT

[Narkissos]

i am going to do phhedno's 30 day pct:

1-30 clomid @100mg
1-30 nolv @40mg
1-36 clen

the reason i am not gonna do the 21 day clomid therapy is cuz the first dose of 300mg of clomid didnt go down well with me. i got these wierd spots on my face that didnt clear for like 2-3 months and i was always so tired. i think 300mg of clomid is a bit intense for anavar. so i will do 100mg of clomid, maybe not for the full duration of the 30 days...but if it takes that long for me to feel better then so be it...better safe than sorry i say...and this pct is relatively cheap!

I like the clen in there.. I don't think you need to run the doses of clomid or nolva so high... i do however think you should run the nolva a bit longer.. and drop the clomid imo

Nolva takes 2-4 weeks to reach 'effective' levels so i've read... so i've taken to running my nolva for 6 weeks.

More doesn't mean better.. i've read that 20mg will do the same as 40 mg.

So i now run 20 mg

Instead of clomid i'd add a moderate AI like proviron

So PCT would look like this:

Weeks 1-6: 20 mg Nolva ED
Weeks 1-6: 50 mg proviron ED
Weeks 1-6: Clenbuterol 80 mcg ED
Weeks: 3 and 6: an anti-histamine: benadryl every night prior to bed

[MAXIMA5]

Don't mean to hijack your thread T. .. i've been following it from it's inception tho.

Nolva and Clomid are interchangeable for PCT... tho some people usually combine both.

Personally i use Nolva alone.

Letro and Nolva are not similar... nor interchangeable

Nolva (and the like) are SERMs, they bond to the estrogen receptor.. preventing circulating estrogen from doing so.

Letro is an AI (aromatase inhibitor).. it prevents testosterone from aromatising (tru the inhibition of the aromatase enzyme)

Letro is used on cycle solely (or off-cycle for the treatment of gyno).. but never in PCT

Great info. Answered a lot of questions. I'm going to PM you for your advice on my PCT without jacking Taurus's thread more than I already have by talking about pct.

Back to Anavar.

Thanks Nark

[fighterinsnatch]

Hey, I'm going to be running 40mgEd for 8 weeks. I'm 205lbs. Do you think that I will have good effects at that dosage?

[MAXIMA5]

Hey, I'm going to be running 40mgEd for 8 weeks. I'm 205lbs. Do you think that I will have good effects at that dosage?

I started at 40 and I upped to 60. You may not notice much for a few weeks at 40. What else are you running?

[Taurus]

I like the clen in there.. I don't think you need to run the doses of clomid or nolva so high... i do however think you should run the nolva a bit longer.. and drop the clomid imo

Nolva takes 2-4 weeks to reach 'effective' levels so i've read... so i've taken to running my nolva for 6 weeks.

More doesn't mean better.. i've read that 20mg will do the same as 40 mg.

So i now run 20 mg

Instead of clomid i'd add a moderate AI like proviron

So PCT would look like this:

Weeks 1-6: 20 mg Nolva ED
Weeks 1-6: 50 mg proviron ED
Weeks 1-6: Clenbuterol 80 mcg ED
Weeks: 3 and 6: an anti-histamine: benadryl every night prior to bed


12th week update:

weight: 200lbs (down 2 lbs)
strength: same
side effects: loss of pump.

yup... my pct looks pretty much the same. i accidentally typed 40mg of nolv instead of 20mg. i will take it for 6 weeks. i dont have proviron so i will stick with 100mg of clomid until i feel back to "normal" again.

as for my shoulder...i have reverted to a "one day on - one day off return" to give my body maximum time to heal. i think the effects of the var are all but gone. i have no pump, and my weight is steadily dropping. i actually worked out my shoulders the other day and i did the behind the neck press and my shoulder was fine.

this is my final week, and then i will hit pct. its been a good cycle all in all. i have def. lost body fat and gotten awesome shape on my body. my arms are looking much bigger, and all this without any side-effects or discomfort (touch wood). i'll take a 2-3 month break...get some bloodwork done and if all is well, i'll hit a lean bulker in the summer.... most probably prop and t-bol.

[Narkissos]

pics pics piiiiiiics :D

Glad to hear you're somewhat satisfied with the outcome of this cycle man

[Taurus]

i just finished my cycle. i am going to be using clen through pct. my questions is as follows. i have the clen that is in the bottle.
it says 1ml = 0.025mg. so, one squirt is 25mcg. I got that part. but man, when i squirt the bottle, a whole load of liquid comes out... that has to be more than 25mcg. i remember i had tiny capsules that were 40mcg of clen.

am i doing it right? is it filled with something? how should i take it...under the tongue and then swallow? cuz a whole load comes out?

i am starting pct tomorro so quick responses are appreciated. thanks .

[tele20]

Ask in the main AAS section. You'll get alot quicker answers.

Just a suggestion seeing that I cant help you.:wg:

[Taurus]

i started my pct last friday:

100mg clomid ed
25mg nolv ed
clen.

before starting pct i was at about 202lbs. I am now at 197lbs. i havent gotten any trimmer so i'm guessing i lost 5 lbs of muscle in the first few days. i thought coming off anavar was not supposed to be this harsh? i dont get it. i have lost less than this on other more "stronger" cycles.

can anyone give me any insight. i feel fine. i am working out the same and am eating the same if not more.

[Taurus]

i'm into the 10th day of pct, and my weight is now at 1951bs. so, i've lost a further 2 pounds. Thats a total of 7 pounds in 10 days of pct off a var only cycle. what the hell is going on. and no, its not fat, i would have known!

i feel smaller. i dont feel as thick. my gym clothes dont fit me like they did 2 weeks ago.

what am i doing wrong. i cut the training back during pct like people suggest from 5 days a week to 4 days a week. i have started eating more.

the only thing i can think is that its the clen eating away at fat... which is the cause of loss of weight. but i'm doing no cardio as i am still on pct and i dont want to eat into muscle. i was planning on starting the cardio back at the end of pct so that my body would be back to normal! can the clen still be burning fat during pct with no cardio?

[Taurus]

my weight is now down to 190lbs. thats a drop of 12lbs in 13 days of pct.

i was on a cutting cycle... which is why i had that diet. now on pct, my diet is more than what is written above. i get minimum of 250g prtn a day... thats a minimum... so i shouldnt be losing muscle. i have done pct before, and eaten similarly... and i have never lost more than 2-3 lbs.

the only difference in this pct is that i'm using syrup clen and not tablet form clen. maybe i'm losing fat... but honestly, i cant see it.

i know people who have never done pct after an anavar cycle and have been able to maintain most of their gains.

i honestly dont know whats happening. i know i'm not shut down cuz i get a stiffy every morning, and my sex drive is there. i dont know what to do now!

[ianchov]

Bump!


Very interesting thread...
I want to know what is happening next

[bball_playa]

damn man thats a lot of weight to lose. man good luck and i hope someone can help you on this

[bball_playa]

hey man so it looks like you lost a ton of weight since you first started. what is your overall impression of your cycle? thinking of using var but not sure now

[MAXIMA5]

Taurus,

If I remember correctly, you said you wre running Clen in your pct. Is this true? If so, you have your answer.

hey man so it looks like you lost a ton of weight since you first started. what is your overall impression of your cycle? thinking of using var but not sure now

Don't let this change your mind. It is an isolated case. I've never seen or heard of this before. anavar is a great compound.

[bball_playa]

thanks maxima ill look into more var cycles people have run

[MAXIMA5]

It works best when complimented by test. Running solo is OK, but the gains will be minimal, but solid.

Taurus,

If I remember correctly, you said you wre running Clen in your pct. Is this true? If so, you have your answer.

bump..for Taurus

[donyalem]

HI. I am a new memeber on this board looking into taking a cycle of Anavar and I was wondering if you know what if any side affects there would be. I'm having trouble getting cut up and was taking Dietex last year and lost 17lbs but gained back about 5 of it. I haven't taken the dietex in a while but I have been taking Farenheit. Do you have any info that I need to know before I start this? I would really appreciate it, thanks. Donyale M

[chinups]

Research more young bruddah

I am about to start anvar/tbol but my severe tendonitis is bugging me out. I wonder if these supps will add in my condition

[Taurus]

sorry i havent replied for a while...been real busy.

my weight has now levelled at 193. i did lose wieght... i dont know why... but my has maintained its shape. i am pleased with the cycle as i was primarliy looking to get toned which is what i accomplished. i lost a couple of pounds of muscle but its ok... i still look alot better than before i started.

i will def use anavar again. great compound. i had absolutely no sides whilst on... and it shaped my body and gave me decent strength gains. cant complain really even though i did lose in pct.

as for the clen, i have used clen in pct before and never had a problem.

[llsdotmacll]

Research more young bruddah

I am about to start anvar/tbol but my severe tendonitis is bugging me out. I wonder if these supps will add in my condition


try supplementing flaxseed oil 3-4 tbsp

[ProtienShak3]

nice thread .. the main thing is you acomplished your goal.. anavar interests me as it is very mild compared to most compounds .. makes me wonder what a var cycle on a bulking diet might do oh and pics!!!!