First cycle--450mg Test Enanthate / 30mg dbol

[hoss827]

225mg every four days of test enanthate...30mg of dbol every day

Beginning stats.

Height: 5'7
Weight: 170
Bodyfat: 12-14%

Biceps: 15 inches
Waist: 31 inches
Quads: 24 inches
Calves: 16 inches

The test will be ran 10-12 weeks
Dbol for 3-4 weeks...
nolva if I get gyno symptoms....

Clomid for post cycle therapy...

No telling what i'm going to gain....this is day two. Hoping to hit 190-200....will keep ya posted.........

[Narkissos]

k..goodluck

[Massacre]

Although it's not smart to start that early I understand you're gonna do what you have to do. I would've done 500mg of test alone your first run.

[chest6]

hoss you could get so much bigger naturally. No flame but those stats aren't to a point where you should hop on juice. But..Ive talked to u about it ur gonna do what ur gonna do. Good luck.

[hoss827]

Up 4-5 pounds in 4 days.....water retention i'm sure. All my lifts are up 4-5 reps / 10 lbs. I'm guessing part of this is placebo but partially the dbol too? :wg:

[chest6]

4-5 reps in 4 days? Hm..I doubt much of that is from the dbol already...but you should start balooning in weight in a week and a half or so On a side note I will be looking at this cuz its the cycle I'm going to run Jan. 07..but I may wait even longer than that. U betta update daily dammit

[hoss827]

4-5 reps in 4 days? Hm..I doubt much of that is from the dbol already...but you should start balooning in weight in a week and a half or so On a side note I will be looking at this cuz its the cycle I'm going to run Jan. 07..but I may wait even longer than that. U betta update daily dammit

The weight is for sure, I feel pumped 24/7. I train three days a week (HIT method) so recovery is going to be awesome. Tomorrow is chest/tri/shoulder/traps, i'll keep ya posted.

[Massacre]

You damn rookie.

[chest6]

damn thats a lot on one day..I like the 4 day split personally

[lucabratzi]

damn thats a lot on one day..I like the 4 day split personally
ditto. im goin to be reading this thread though, how old are u?...

[chest6]

hes 18 :/

[Anabolios]

maybe we'll catch a glimpse of his OWN picture this time

good luck on the first cycle

[hoss827]

Dude, there are ****ing pics up of me all over this board. You just never looked.

[Anabolios]

Dude, there are ****ing pics up of me all over this board. You just never looked.

yeah guy it was a joke because recently you have been posting many pictures of random guys so i had to humor myself...so take it as that

and no i have no interest in searching for your pictures thanks anyways though

[Myka]

k..goodluck

:rolleyes:

[hoss827]

:rolleyes:

Negativity = nothing to me bro, I aint worried about it...Aint no stoppin this fella :wg:

[hoss827]

yeah guy it was a joke because recently you have been posting many pictures of random guys so i had to humor myself...so take it as that

and no i have no interest in searching for your pictures thanks anyways though

My bad bro, thought you were just being a jerk off but its cool :lol:

[hoss827]

OK, heres one of me at like 163 back in september before I started training the RIGHT way (High Intensity Training).

I started this cycle at 168-170, weight flucuated daily due to carb rotation. I'm much thicker at this point (even before cycle). 23 more pounds to go!

[kloter1]

strength gains yet?

[Myka]

Im going to act like the past never happened (posting other pics)...

You looked good back then...hopefully in the update we can see some wheels...

[Massacre]

strength gains yet?


He keeps yapping to me about them on aim. lol

Good luck kid. Do your thing.

[hoss827]

strength gains yet?

Yeah they just keep coming bro, and the test doesnt kick in til week 4--man I love this! :lol:

Ask FROST--my wheels are one of my strongest points besides my back. :)

[hoss827]

He keeps yapping to me about them on aim. lol

Good luck kid. Do your thing.

Poor bastard :lol: This guy puts up with me gotta love em haha.

Thanks bro, i'll do my best!! :wg:

[chest6]

what are your lifts hoss?

[hoss827]

what are your lifts hoss?

Shitty, I get big not that strong :( Me = :owned:

My bench press / chest is pathetic but i'm working on it, it's improved lots since last time but its still pathetic! I can max 205 :lol:

Squat I'm alot better on :) 275-285

Deadlift I was doing 355 max but man, right now I'm not doing deadlifts because I'd get lower back pumps from hell....fuuuuuck that.

Those are the big three. I'm hoping to improve them all a shit ton!

Lat pulldown / seated cable rows, the stack is 200 and I rep out 170 for 6-8. At the end of this cycle i'm gonna have to throw a plate on the pin to get some good work in! :)

[chest6]

Hoss cmon..u jumped on the sauce with a squat max of 275?

[IronReload04]

Hoss cmon..u jumped on the sauce with a squat max of 275?

and a bench of 205

YOu should be able to grow like a friggin weed naturally still

[IronReload04]

Hoss cmon..u jumped on the sauce with a squat max of 275?

unless he is going ass to grass and leaving ass sweat marks on the ground, then thats another story

but still should have gotton stronger naturally first

[hoss827]

unless he is going ass to grass and leaving ass sweat marks on the ground, then thats another story

but still should have gotton stronger naturally first

I do, ALWAYS. Plus I pause a couple seconds at the bottom :)

Couldve gotten stronger natty first yes, but so could alotta other guys. I'm just glad I started with a decent base built up :)

[kloter1]

alright keep that diet good and we'll see how ya do

[hoss827]

alright keep that diet good and we'll see how ya do

I'm going to be 100% honest.

My diet is good, but it is COLD as CRAP here, (22-27o) Indiana has insane weather....pisses me off.:frown: One day its 60, and then for 4-5 days in winter it will be 18-27o. Cardio is a big 0 for me right now. AM cardio is best for me, 30 minutes 3 x a week is what I usually do. I haven't done any for 3 months. Bodyfat isnt HIGH, but it isnt as LOW as it could be. I'm by no means a fatass though :) So i'm keeping the diet very, very clean. :D

In 11 weeks I shredded up down from about 17-18% bodyfat to about 9-10% naturally. Pics are on muscle sci (I left that board, its worthless IMO.) but there are still pics up there. I'm one who can gain fat easily but also cut up very quick, so i'm not worried about bodyfat gain here but I dont like looking fat :lol: which is why the diets clean.

I'll get pics mid cycle. After PCT i'm doing a 4-6 week cut, then in mid july til october contest prep. The 4-6 week cut will just shred some water/bf off of me and its just less I have to lose pre-contest.

[hoss827]

Spilled ALL of my liquid dbol.....FACK!!!! So now from day 9 and forward its just pure 450mg of test, which in a way is good. Its just one compound and thats the way it oughta be for a first cycle. Hopefully i'll still gain a good 20-25 from this test.

[chest6]

was the liquid dbol 25mg/ml..and if it was (im assuming so) did you take it all at once or split it up?

[hoss827]

was the liquid dbol 25mg/ml..and if it was (im assuming so) did you take it all at once or split it up?

it was 20mg/ml, and I took about 1/2 a ml 3x a day. So anywhere from 25-30mg of dbol. Worked very well but I dont need it.

[chest6]

Well since this is your first cycle I guess that did work out in a way..

[symatech]

you've been reading this board for a long time hoss. You know what's up by now, I just want to know why you are starting now? After all you've learned you aren't waiting?

Since you obviously aren't, I'll just wish you good luck and hope things work out for you. Keep it in moderation, low natural test levels for a teenager is not a happy place to be. Stay safe

[hoss827]

you've been reading this board for a long time hoss. You know what's up by now, I just want to know why you are starting now? After all you've learned you aren't waiting?

Since you obviously aren't, I'll just wish you good luck and hope things work out for you. Keep it in moderation, low natural test levels for a teenager is not a happy place to be. Stay safe

I intended to wait til 20 but it just didnt work out that way, no big deal though. Like ya said, i've been here for over three years so I know whats up and know how to keep it safe.

[hoss827]

Ok heres whats up....week two ends tomorrow. I'm up 7-8 lbs. Strength is steadily going up...1-2 more weeks and the shit kicks in full.

All I can say is WOW--test is amazing! Injections are no biggy at all now. After the second one it was smooth crusing. Thursay is shot #4.

23-24 lbs to go and 10 weeks to achieve it!

[chest6]

update dammit

[billybob13]

thats not him; i seen his pictures in another form and that is not even him!!!! This guy lies left and right.

[hoss827]

thats not him; i seen his pictures in another form and that is not even him!!!! This guy lies left and right.

WTF? Explain yourself dick helmet--thats me over at my gym at the end of a upper body workout with a pump. Notice the small chest.

[hoss827]

update dammit

The gains keep a comin....=)

Got the test flu for the last couple days and it SUCKED ass hardcore but I got over it very quickly. Still steadily gaining in strength....this stuff should kick in full soon. It's definitly kicked in alot already at the start of week three. Gains are going great still.

Test for a first cycle is definitly enough!

[hoss827]

Eh, I guess this is a "before" pic. it was taken two months ago.

[hoss827]

Blurry as hell, i'll try to get another one...This is me, totally relaxed.

[chest6]

boy..is that a lil chub i see?

[hoss827]

boy..is that a lil chub i see?

Yessa--but not a lot. I'm eating everything I can get ahold of every 2-2 and a half hours. It's a little fat gain and some water retention. I'm gonna throw on some fat thru this cycle but i'm adding much muscle as well :) I've been sick so I didnt get to do cardio this week, but i'm doing that 3x a week throughout cycle. Where did you notice fat?

[chest6]

like..lower back/obliques. Maybe it is just me..and the crappy pic. Ive actually got some stubborn fat there that didnt wanna leave before..if Im right here. Hard to get rid of..

[hoss827]

like..lower back/obliques. Maybe it is just me..and the crappy pic. Ive actually got some stubborn fat there that didnt wanna leave before..if Im right here. Hard to get rid of..

Obliques yeah but it goes away while dieting, always. Lowerback, haha...prolly a little water. I have NO lowerback def. at all even though I deadlift my ass off. I'm gonna start doing good mornings this week.

[chest6]

i like goodmornings..yup. You'll be fine.

[tjt]

That test kicked in yet buddy?

[hoss827]

I've been on for 24 days today, and since day 1 its been slow consistant gains but yesterday I threw an extra 20 lbs on my bench and got the same amount of reps like it was cake. It's kicking in full this week i'm sure. :)

[PLAYA4LIFE]

you hoss whats your bench 160,170,180??

[chest6]

sarcasm aside update this shit dammit

[hoss827]

sarcasm aside update this shit dammit

Yeah that guy can lick my balls, he'd probably like it too. :rolleyes:

Max is up to 225-235 right now, and today is the start of week five. I have had no need for nolva or 6-OXO to keep estrogen levels low as I have had no gyno symptoms up until yesterday, my nips started to occasionaly itch once or twice so I popped six caps of 6-OXO so i'm good now. (nolva is for PCT, i'm getting extra in right now for gyno issues).

I'm up about 14-15 pounds and feel very good at this weight, and strong. My arms are a bit over 16 with a pump now which is a good feeling. Strength just keeps going up like mad about 5-10 lbs every workout.

I lost my job a few days ago at GNC (lay-offs) so I was very worried I wouldnt be able to have enough FOOD for this cycle but rest assured I found one two days later at a gas station / grocery -- but it sucks. The manager drives me insane and I only make $5.60 so i'm hoping to get one at SAMS next week where I make $8.50 and get discounts on food--yeaaaah! :lol:

Just been really cramped with time lately--however work isn't interfering with my training. I'll update this more often if I get a chance bros!

[chest6]

Good stuff. Temporary for the job I guess. 5.60'll do til u get that sams job. Good to see you gettin results. Keep the cals highh

[PLAYA4LIFE]

yo hoss how bout you lick my balls left first until I say quit. Your life sounds fuc**d up, taking steroids at a young age, working at a gas station, can't even buy food, whats next?

[hoss827]

yo hoss how bout you lick my balls left first until I say quit. Your life sounds fuc**d up, taking steroids at a young age, working at a gas station, can't even buy food, whats next?

LMFAO--you speak as if you've known me my entire life. :rolleyes: Roids at a young age, so what? My body, my choice.

Second off, i'm in HIGH SCHOOL bro. It's not like i'm making a living at a fvckin gas station. Third off, food gets fvcking expensive. My parents have plenty of shit to eat but not enough for the high calorie diet i'm on. 3-4 meals a day is what they supply me with and I wont eat half the shit they do.

Anything else you'd like to tell me about myself? ;)

[hoss827]

Good stuff. Temporary for the job I guess. 5.60'll do til u get that sams job. Good to see you gettin results. Keep the cals highh

Yeah Sams starts me out at $8.50. I had a job at the hospital as a resident sitter making $10.50 (waking old people up making sure they dont croak in their sleep :lol: ) but they raised everyones wages to $15.00 but they kicked all the HS kids out til they have their diploma, so i'll be back there in may which is great :wg:

[chest6]

sounds like a good job..unless they dont wake up

[hoss827]

sounds like a good job..unless they dont wake up

Yeah :lol: theres one guy that's strapped to the bed and i wont even touch him now....first time I did he sat up and started screaming some shit at me in german about jews--no shit. Hes in his late 80's.....I dont watch him anymore that often..when I do i'm just like "Psst....wake up man" until he wakes up. lol

[hoss827]

OK--this is my last week on cycle before PCT and I thought I'd give an update. I'm VERY happy with the gains. I'm ending this cycle weighing about 188 which is an 18 pound gain--however I dropped some bodyfat as well. :)

I was very satisfied with this cycle. My strength has gone up a great amount, but I think I'm going to do the natural thing for a year before I cycle again, just to gain a good natural solid 8-10 lbs.

Here are pics, that were taken today (i'm a bit bloated, I just ate a couple of cheeseburgers for a cheatmeal LOL)

[hoss827]

back shot--best I can do for now fellas. Sorry!

[hoss827]

couple of shitty wheel shots, the flash on my cam is F*CKED up.

[Conkies]

what are we looking at? :unsure:

[hoss827]

On another note,

This goes out to all the teens wanting to hop on gear early. I myself am 18, hopped on a bit too early but I am PLEASED with what I gained. My advice to all teens:


Wait until you are at least 18-20 years of age and have some decent training experience under your belt. The #1 thing that made me wish I wouldve waited was muscle maturity. My muscles haven't fully matured yet by any means and while I look thicker/more dense, my muscle maturity still isn't that great.

Gear does not fix that, it comes with age and EXPERIENCE. I'm not saying I regret this cycle by any means, but I dont want anyone disappointed in their first cycle. It should be a blast! :)

[hoss827]

what are we looking at? :unsure:

Eh, the pics? lol

[Conkies]

Kinda too blurry to tell anything from 'em Hoss. :scratch:

[hoss827]

Kinda too blurry to tell anything from 'em Hoss. :scratch:

Yeah I know--best I can do for now though :( I'm gonna ask a buddy of I can borrow his cam tonight

[chest6]

On another note,

This goes out to all the teens wanting to hop on gear early. I myself am 18, hopped on a bit too early but I am PLEASED with what I gained. My advice to all teens:


Wait until you are at least 18-20 years of age and have some decent training experience under your belt. The #1 thing that made me wish I wouldve waited was muscle maturity. My muscles haven't fully matured yet by any means and while I look thicker/more dense, my muscle maturity still isn't that great.

Gear does not fix that, it comes with age and EXPERIENCE. I'm not saying I regret this cycle by any means, but I dont want anyone disappointed in their first cycle. It should be a blast! :)
no shit dummy thats what we said all along. 18-20? NOO. More like 20 is the earliest I'd do anything. Betta make sure you get those test levels back up..I think mine are naturally low now because of that stupid shit that I did. One more thing..u got clownfeet like me :lol:

[hoss827]

no shit dummy thats what we said all along. 18-20? NOO. More like 20 is the earliest I'd do anything. Betta make sure you get those test levels back up..I think mine are naturally low now because of that stupid shit that I did. One more thing..u got clownfeet like me :lol:

Yeah. Size 14's at 5'7. FACK :lol: I said 18-20 because some bros just have muscle maturity at such an early age. An aquaintaince of mine started at 16 and the kid had insane muscle maturity, hes a national competitor now but 16 is way too young.

[*Alex*]

your midsection reminds me of this.................

[Hackamaniac]

your midsection reminds me of this.................
that's really nice bro:icon_roll

[hoss827]

your midsection reminds me of this.................

This was a winter bulking cycle you know :rolleyes: I gain fat on the midsection quick but when I diet I also lose it VERY quickly as well. 10 weeks of dieting and I see nearly all six abs. 14 weeks of dieting and i'm lean as ****.

[*Alex*]

i would love to see that.

[Black R/T]

im going to raise the flag on that first pic :bs: , that wasnt you.:liar:

[FROST]

im going to raise the flag on that first pic :bs: , that wasnt you.:liar:


I'll vouch for the kid, its him.

Frost

[Myka]

Why wouldnt you believe it was him?

[*Alex*]

Why wouldnt you believe it was him?
seriously.......if i was going to post a pic of someone else....why whould i post THAT pic.

[*Alex*]

This was a winter bulking cycle you know :rolleyes: I gain fat on the midsection quick but when I diet I also lose it VERY quickly as well. 10 weeks of dieting and I see nearly all six abs. 14 weeks of dieting and i'm lean as ****.
and hoss next time you want to waiste a cycle,just come to my house ,give me your jucie ,i'll kick you in the balls and you'll get the same results! (which where NONE) Should have listened to the board ,when they were telling you that you are toooooooooo young to juice! peace....

[DBflash21]

Hoss, no offense but you look even younger then 18, and you said you haven't graduated yet, so what gives?

[downwiththethickness]

your midsection reminds me of this.................
that shit is funny..

and hoss next time you want to waiste a cycle,just come to my house ,give me your jucie ,i'll kick you in the balls and you'll get the same results! (which where NONE) Should have listened to the board ,when they were telling you that you are toooooooooo young to juice! peace....
You are ruthless bro..lol...it's true though...he could have eaten salt sandwiches and achieved the same results..

[DBflash21]

You are ruthless bro..lol...it's true though...he could have eaten salt sandwiches and achieved the same results..

Thats what I was thinking...maybe hes puffin peter down at Chevron

[hoss827]

i would love to see that.

go to muscle sci and search through my pic threads. I'll be sure to have a cutting journal up here, but last years is up there and the results were great.

[FROST]

Some of the guys in this thread need an attitude check, go look in the mirror and take a good look, you are nothin special so chill out with your comments. He already admitted he muscle maturity lacks, no reason to throw it at him a 100 more times.

As for alex, son 3 months ago you were a creepy lookin looser, because you gained a few pounds does not make you ronny or cutler, your still a creepy lookin looser. Everyone on this board can make the assumption that when you dident have our light** build, that you were a little bitch, hate to break it to you but your attitude shows your still a little bitch, not foolin anyone there killer. Grow up and try constructive critisism, its get respect, not showing off all your internet built confidence mr. tuff guy.

Frost

[*Alex*]

Some of the guys in this thread need an attitude check, go look in the mirror and take a good look, you are nothin special so chill out with your comments. He already admitted he muscle maturity lacks, no reason to throw it at him a 100 more times.

As for alex, son 3 months ago you were a creepy lookin looser, because you gained a few pounds does not make you ronny or cutler, your still a creepy lookin looser. Everyone on this board can make the assumption that when you dident have our light** build, that you were a little bitch, hate to break it to you but your attitude shows your still a little bitch, not foolin anyone there killer. Grow up and try constructive critisism, its get respect, not showing off all your internet built confidence mr. tuff guy.

Frost
"son"?? i did gain few pounds and its nothing to brag about, but i did it natty!second, i'll see you any day of the year and still beat your ass to the hospital. "mr.tuff guy" . bitch.

[Myka]

Lets Get It On!

[FROST]

"son"?? i did gain few pounds and its nothing to brag about, but i did it natty!second, i'll see you any day of the year and still beat your ass to the hospital. "mr.tuff guy" . bitch.

Thats cute, run along and play now.

[DBflash21]

"son"?? i did gain few pounds and its nothing to brag about, but i did it natty!second, i'll see you any day of the year and still beat your ass to the hospital. "mr.tuff guy" . bitch.

:owned:

[Myka]

hoss will be sad that you did this to his thread:(

[FROST]

hoss will be sad that you did this to his thread:(

I know man, but sometimes you have to tuck the kiddies in so everyone with an IQ above 10 can talk with out the retarded coments.

ah well,

Frost

[DBflash21]

hoss will be sad that you did this to his thread:(

Yea, but thats in a couple hours when he gets done with high school

[*Alex*]

:1laugh: Yea, but thats in a couple hours when he gets done with high school
no.its pre school ,and frost does YOUR mom know you're skipping school.

[*Alex*]

hey frost .just checked out your "still skiny pix":1laugh: at your pix.. you look like goof troop. are you sure you didnt have pump on your ears? they look mighty big......!

[DBflash21]

I know man, but sometimes you have to tuck the kiddies in so everyone with an IQ above 10 can talk with out the retarded coments.

ah well,

Frost

The master has spoken, aren't you 18? who's the kiddie? I'm sorry bro, but I'm with alex on this one...

[*Alex*]

The master has spoken, aren't you 18? who's the kiddie? I'm sorry bro, but I'm with alex on this one...
lets roll 'em up!

[DBflash21]

lets roll 'em up!

Word.

[pelly789]

definatly not ready for aas but it is your body like you said and your lifts are pathetic i dont mean to be an as*hole but i am 18 also and my lifts are:

flat bench 275 for 5
squat 315 for 10
deadlift 365 for 6

shoulda waited imo and you still dont look big in your after picture but best of luck to you

[IBdmfkr]

I know it's only Hoss, but lets try to respect him enough to not shit on his thread.

Hoss, give us some updates? Where do you stand, progress etc..?

We have established the fact that everybody thought he was too young and underdeveloped, but obviously he didn't give two shits, so lets encourage a bit. (Hoss caught me on a good day ;))

[*Alex*]

I know it's only Hoss, but lets try to respect him enough to not shit on his thread.

Hoss, give us some updates? Where do you stand, progress etc..?

We have established the fact that everybody thought he was too young and underdeveloped, but obviously he didn't give two shits, so lets encourage a bit. (Hoss caught me on a good day ;))
you are right .........i apoligize!

[Narkissos]

I'm locking this piss-fest.

Hoss i apologise on the part of these guys. Funny how adults can't act 'adult' on an adult forum.

If you want the thread re-opened..hit me with a PM

I'll try to clean it up

~Nark