1 year progress

[ward065]

I found some old pics of myself recently.....and wow, even I am totally amazed at the difference between these pictures.

Pics are spaced out 52 weeks apart- a year and about 1 week. No joke, that's the time frame, just barely over a year. The first picture was in mid feb of 2005. The last two were taken early last week.

Now obviously i have a lot more acne in the last 2 pictures- for obvious reasons. I have tamed it a bit with some panthetic acid and acne pads, but it is still bothersome. I've gained about 22lbs of weight from the first picture- and i know i've put on more muscle than 22lbs as i've lowered my bodyfat. Another thing- my stretch marks are insane now, my skin feels very very thin also.

Comments, criitique, suggestions are much appreciated

[damiongage]

body looks better....acne would get me to stop using though

[ward065]

The only thing i have been told that will really get it "cleared up" is accutane, which i am not willing to do......This is what dr. said

Having said that, i bet a lot of amateur/ pro bb'ers are on that stuff though...

[goalseeker]

ya, you look alot leaner. ya look good. Traps are wicked bro.. good work..
what is your cycle history?

[ward065]

ya, you look alot leaner. ya look good. Traps are wicked bro.. good work..
what is your cycle history?
i have completed two cycles:

My first one was not as good as my second- for one reason. MY DIET was insufficent!!!!!!!!! I had trouble eating enough. Argh, it's the truth though :(

First cycle: 1-4 dbol i think 30 or 40 mg. 1-10 test e 500mg, deca 400mg.

Second cycle i did in the fall: 1-4 anadrol 75mg, 1-12 test e 750mg, 1-11 deca 300mg and 1-11 tren-e about 400mg.

After a 2 month layoff from cycling i started again recently.... this time it's 1-4 dbol 50mg, 1-11 test-e 750mg, 1-10 tren-e 400mg, 1-10 EQ 400mg

I have already added in a week 10 lbs to my bench- Just shy of 360 now! In that first pic i think i could bench about 215 for maybe 3 reps. Today i can bench 355 for 6-7 on a good day, though it varies somewhat.

My diet now is just crazy.......like 4500-4600 cals......5-6 medium-large sized meals......3 cans of tuna fish per day, 12-18 oz of chicken......lots of rice, fruits, and an occasional dessert and cheat meal to keep me happy :)

I credit the diet as being critical- However, if i were to have eaten like i have been eating without the gear, you'd be looking at a much fatter me now.

[goalseeker]

Today i can bench 355 for 6-7 on a good day, though it varies somewhat.
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thats wicked bench bro..congrats..
when did you notice the acne more, during the second cycle, when tren was introduced?

[ward065]

yes, you are correct, acne developed a bit during first cycle, but it was more pronounced with second cycle. The tren seems to be the culprit, though i do not go over 400mg per week. But i think it is also the tren that has helped me explode (Again, with diet and insane training of course)

[ACKBAR]

Try and get some retin-a micro .1% and adoxa 150s. that should help clear up your acne before going to accutane.

[Ntpadude]

Now obviously i have a lot more acne in the last 2 pictures- for obvious reasons. I have tamed it a bit with some panthetic acid and acne pads, but it is still bothersome. I've gained about 22lbs of weight from the first picture- and i know i've put on more muscle than 22lbs as i've lowered my bodyfat. Another thing- my stretch marks are insane now, my skin feels very very thin also.


Wow that acne is really bad... I thought I was peppered bad and never anything like your arms or chest although back as looked that bad on me.

Actually I break out worst on deca then I do tren enanthate... although I am starting to get where i cant wait to get off because, Wow you can get emotional big time on the stuff... for some reason I have been jealous of wife like never before and emotional over it even though I dont have anything to worry about with her... I think its the tren and maybe its how it gives me my version of roid rage.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

Besides the acne , you look great bro. Keep up the hard work.

[BeerBaron]

wow, that acne would prolly get me to stop. Ever consider tanning to dry your skin out a little? although at this stage it would prolly cause scarring.

[ward065]

yeah, i've always been acne prone, if you will, so that makes things worse. There are some lucky people who are not prone to acne, who are definetely quite happy about that, and i think there are definetely some who are, but take things like accutane so they don't have it. I'm not willing to take really powerful drugs for the acne right now

[ward065]

Wow that acne is really bad... I thought I was peppered bad and never anything like your arms or chest although back as looked that bad on me.

Actually I break out worst on deca then I do tren enanthate... although I am starting to get where i cant wait to get off because, Wow you can get emotional big time on the stuff... for some reason I have been jealous of wife like never before and emotional over it even though I dont have anything to worry about with her... I think its the tren and maybe its how it gives me my version of roid rage.
that's kind of weird, tren really doesn't give me any bad sides besides the acne. I maybe feel a little more aggressive, but i take it out on the weights. Insomnia has developed occasionally, but even that is not too bad. No hair loss problems which is nice

[helium3]

thats a great transformation well done,i was going to consider tren in the future but im still worried about the hair line,will have to see.

[goalseeker]

yeah, i've always been acne prone,

really? It didnt look like you had any at all in the first pic....

[ward065]

really? It didnt look like you had any at all in the first pic....
i've gotten random breakouts for about a decade or more- when i was in my earlier teen years especially. Certainly there were times where my acne cleared up, but then there were times where it would become a problem out of nowhere.

[chest6]

Another thing, is that gyno, or am I seeing things? Jw

[goalseeker]

i was wondering that also....

[ward065]

Another thing, is that gyno, or am I seeing things? Jw
no, it's not gyno, they're zits- just like the other ones

[PLAYA4LIFE]

wow, that acne is serious. I would never take off my shirt if i had that and i would definitelly get started on some treament of some kind. You also look like you have some gyno?

[goalseeker]

wow, that acne is serious. I would never take off my shirt if i had that and i would definitelly get started on some treament of some kind. You also look like you have some gyno?

read his post above yours........

[ward065]

im pretty sure though as i said its not gyno. The consistency of the zits is basically the same as the other ones i have

It would be nice if i could take a magic pill to make it go away, and as i have stated, i am on a relatively safe/ low-moderate effective treatment now. it has had an effect. But the doctor told me when i saw him (He kind of frowns upon my use, but that is not the point)- he told me that the only way to kiss the acne goodbye would be through accutane. I am not willing to take that medication now.

[goalseeker]

he told me that the only way to kiss the acne goodbye would be through accutane. I am not willing to take that medication now.

why not bro? you heard harsh things about it?

[ward065]

why not bro? you heard harsh things about it?
Yes. I've heard numerous times that accutane can be damaging to the liver. Couple that with oral AAS for 8-10 weeks a year i don't think it would be a good idea. But it could be my fears are overblown.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

Yes. I've heard numerous times that accutane can be damaging to the liver. Couple that with oral AAS for 8-10 weeks a year i don't think it would be a good idea. But it could be my fears are overblown.

I agree bro, be safe.

[NickHex81]

Dude, drop the cycle and get on accutane. I'd never take off my shirt if I were you, no offense. You look solid though, that's for sure.

[Akrus423]

I found some old pics of myself recently.....and wow, even I am totally amazed at the difference between these pictures.

Pics are spaced out 52 weeks apart- a year and about 1 week. No joke, that's the time frame, just barely over a year. The first picture was in mid feb of 2005. The last two were taken early last week.

Now obviously i have a lot more acne in the last 2 pictures- for obvious reasons. I have tamed it a bit with some panthetic acid and acne pads, but it is still bothersome. I've gained about 22lbs of weight from the first picture- and i know i've put on more muscle than 22lbs as i've lowered my bodyfat. Another thing- my stretch marks are insane now, my skin feels very very thin also.

Comments, criitique, suggestions are much appreciated


no suggestions really u did great... by the way u could probably get paid a decent mount of a money by letting people poke those pimples with a stick.

[bustedbusted]

hahaha ^^

[Grudge Keeper]

yeah, i've always been acne prone, if you will, so that makes things worse. There are some lucky people who are not prone to acne, who are definetely quite happy about that, and i think there are definetely some who are, but take things like accutane so they don't have it. I'm not willing to take really powerful drugs for the acne right now
taht sounds crazy to me if your willing to juice but not use acne medicine ,I know accutane sucks but maybe even if you used just enough to help calm down the acne cuase i know acne sucks to by the way nice gains and good luck

[goalseeker]

no suggestions really u did great... by the way u could probably get paid a decent mount of a money by letting people poke those pimples with a stick.

WTF?
Anyways, I would try the accutane, and on the next cycle just try skipping the orals. This would probably help you feel a bit more comfortable about your liver and all...

[DBflash21]

taht sounds crazy to me if your willing to juice but not use acne medicine ,I know accutane sucks but maybe even if you used just enough to help calm down the acne cuase i know acne sucks to by the way nice gains and good luck

I was thinking the same thing, you're not concerned with taking illegal drugs that are far more harmful to your body, but you won't take accutane? doesn't add up to me. Good transformation tho.

[ward065]

here's another one.......this one shows progress of the wheels Apr 2005 to early March '06. I have been squatting nearly till i feel sick lately, seems to have paid off.

[kloter1]

Traps are wicked good and your chest looks strong. i think you need to get your arms caught up with the rest of your body.

[ward065]

Traps are wicked good and your chest looks strong. i think you need to get your arms caught up with the rest of your body.
i think my arms are pretty good actually......def. one of my stronger areas. Here's a pic i took recently also... I am also getting that "cannon" look to my shoulders

if i were to pick a weak spot it would still be my quads... I've made big improvements though as i think you can see from the pics, BUT I never trained them for a long time while i trained everything else.

[goalseeker]

quads are looking decent....

[kloter1]

hell ya in that pic your arms look great. maybe it was the angle of the camera. looking real solid!!

[goalseeker]

yup....Gettin the cannon look for sure...

[ward065]

hell ya in that pic your arms look great. maybe it was the angle of the camera. looking real solid!!
thanks yeah the angle of the camera def. makes a difference.

I also changed my arm routine recently......i used to train arms (and everything else) once every 10-11 days or so..... i trained with just extreme volume, like 15-20 sets for bi's and tri's. I decreased the volume in my new routine- And i am training arms and everything else every 8th day, split into 5 workouts (averages to about 4.5 workout days per week) I only am training with 8-9 sets for bi's and tri's, and i have found that the lowered volume REALLY lets me put 110% into each and every set...... whereas before with the huge volume, my energy decreased significantly after like 11 sets, and the rest of the sets really ended up being a waste.

Incase anyone is interested......for traps i do two workouts, once every 8 days too, and two traps exercises per workout. For my first workout i will use dumbells and will do dumbell shrugs (very heavy and very high reps- i'll use the 140's for like 30 reps) 3-4 sets, and i will do 3-4 sets of dumbell upright rows, really focusing on the squeeze.

The second workout, i do barbell shrugs and barbell upright rows, and i do not do so many reps per set, and i go heavy ( i recently shrugged 495 for a set of 5 reps)

Over the past year i've learned three crucial things that i used to be headstrong about: 1) Always train with good form and feel as much as a pump as possible, 2) diet, diet diet, and enough calories! and 3) Sleep, 8-9 hours per day......i used to not get much sleep at all. Not getting enough sleep and then trying to workout= Horrible workouts that are torture imho.

[IronAdam]

Not to drag out the acne issue...but, do you realize you'll be covered in scars if and when the acne does go away if you don't fix it asap?

After my second cycle the acne just would not go away...it was only on my face and nothing near as bad as yours and I damn near lost my mind over the shit. I'm on accutane right now and getting monthly blood tests...so far so good...after the first 2 months I've been spotless...shit works like magic.

I guess all I'm saying is don't let the doc scare you out of doing the accutane...with blood tests you should be safe.

Other than that you've made a hell of a transformation...congrats on that. I hope you can get the acne prob sorted out.

About the stretch marks...I had that problem too. Between my shoulders and chest I've got some big ones, I found that using vitamin e lotion in the morning and night helps keep them from getting worse FWIW.

Good Luck

[NickHex81]

Yes, accutane is the miracle drug for acne.

[Akrus423]

i think my arms are pretty good actually......def. one of my stronger areas. Here's a pic i took recently also... I am also getting that "cannon" look to my shoulders

if i were to pick a weak spot it would still be my quads... I've made big improvements though as i think you can see from the pics, BUT I never trained them for a long time while i trained everything else.


CANT...FIGHT IT...ANYMORE... MUST POKE... PIMPLES... WITH STICK!!!

[ward065]

CANT...FIGHT IT...ANYMORE... MUST POKE... PIMPLES... WITH STICK!!!
umm...

[ward065]

oh ya i also changed my avatar with a newer pic...here is a larger version

[Stackt007]

Lookin solid bro keep it up ,I would tan to cover up the acne or u could paint yourself green and be a Hawk !:aaGreen22

[Akrus423]

oh by the way U NEED TO GET A TAN!

1. It will show off the muscles more.
2. Chicks hate guys who are that pale.
3. The sun is gonna destroy your skin.

[Hellmaskbanned]

In the shirt picture, your arms look good but your chest doesnt stick out much at all. Work chest more.

[ward065]

In the shirt picture, your arms look good but your chest doesnt stick out much at all. Work chest more.
yeah it's because i have my shirt on :) my chest is pretty good- it all depends on the angle of the camera. in that photo i am not flaring my chest at all, i am just standing

again, i've gone from a bench of 215 x3-4 reps in early 2005 to a current bench of 350x6-7 reps. For a 14 month time frame i think that is impressive and my chest has grown several inches :)

[Hellmaskbanned]

yeah it's because i have my shirt on :) my chest is pretty good- it all depends on the angle of the camera. in that photo i am not flaring my chest at all, i am just standing

again, i've gone from a bench of 215 x3-4 reps in early 2005 to a current bench of 350x6-7 reps. For a 14 month time frame i think that is impressive and my chest has grown several inches :)


Nice strength increase. Nice size bro.

[ward065]

oh by the way U NEED TO GET A TAN!

1. It will show off the muscles more.
2. Chicks hate guys who are that pale.
3. The sun is gonna destroy your skin.
my fair skin isn't my fault. I get sunlight very frequently and it's because of my ancestry: Irish, Swedish (Or Finnish, i am really not sure), and i think Dutch and Italian too........ do you think in most of those countries there is a lot of sunlight? No, and that is why if you look at many natives there their skin is pale...

Girls don't seem to mind though :)

[Anthony C]

Bro forget the haters that are making total stupid remarks about the acne .


Akrus423 YOUR A FOOL BRO And your comments are dumb as well .Id just keep my mouth shut if thats the kinda crap that comes out of it .

Anyways ward065 you look great bro . It looks like you have done your work and its paying off ..In the first before pic were you natural then ??Just curious ..AC

[ward065]

Bro forget the haters that are making total stupid remarks about the acne .


Akrus423 YOUR A FOOL BRO And your comments are dumb as well .Id just keep my mouth shut if thats the kinda crap that comes out of it .

Anyways ward065 you look great bro . It looks like you have done your work and its paying off ..In the first before pic were you natural then ??Just curious ..AC

yup in the first pic i was 100% natural, started first cycle in i think early may of 2005......but i did not gain as much as i wanted to then. Because my diet was not as good as it could have been......

Made superb gains on second cycle and in the third one i recently began, it's even better than the second....because.....now i am eating 4,500 cals versus 4,000 which i was doing before :) Watching closely though not to gain bodyfat.

[thickmass]

You look great. Incredible progress, you seem to respond really well to your cycles.

I'd also recommend trying accutane, mainly because it'd be under doctor supervision (unlike your aas use). He can closely monitor you for sides and adjust the dose accordingly.

But to continue with the acne scarring as it is is akin to skipping PCT.

[ward065]

thickmas, the acne came from the tren. that i am 100% sure of.

I am suprised though that others run higher doses yet dont get acne. I do however use long-estered tren ( I *HATE* injecting ED!). And i don't go above 400mg either.

my fear with accutane, as i have stated is the bad side effects it can present. There was a thread on here made the other day about it and some of the sides are very concerning.....do a search and it will come up.

Read somewhere also accutane can cause brain tumors (!) I think this was in a newspaper or magazine many months back

Thank you for the complements as it certain'y ain't easy. Although i will admit it's fun because of the constant challenges. I used to play years back online role-playing games: The one i got addicted to was EverQuest. In these games you would always build up your character- if you were a "mage" you would gain the knowledge of more spells, more intelligence and more hit points (damage you could sustain). Hell, Bodybuilding is like a real life role playing game....and it's a lot more challenging and a LOT more rewarding than some game of virtually building up your character. That's how i view it!

Damn though, that game nearly ruined my life, i was always at the computer, falling behind in school/college etc because of this stupid game!!!!! I only train 4 days a week, so i have a lot more time for other things now :)

[thickmass]

I understand what u say mate, but it seems tren gave u the greatest gains. Catch 22.

I think the hardest part of bodybuilding is having to use ones' self as a guinea pig because the Feds outlawed doctors advising on its use. Now almost no doctors know much about products like Tren and cant help you use it safely.

Bastards.

[goalseeker]

again, i've gone from a bench of 215 x3-4 reps in early 2005 to a current bench of 350x6-7 reps. For a 14 month time frame i think that is impressive and my chest has grown several inches :)

WOW.. that is wicked bro.... Holy crap...you should be proud of yourself.. that is ALOT of weight, my friend,..... alot of weight....
Fantastic!!!

[goalseeker]

CANT...FIGHT IT...ANYMORE... MUST POKE... PIMPLES... WITH STICK!!!

:wtf:

...some people are just unbelievable........

[goalseeker]

Im working hard to one day be ripped like you bro....Keep up the great work!!! and keep postin progress pics too!!

[goalseeker]

[QUOTE=ward065]
Thank you for the complements as it certain'y ain't easy. Although i will admit it's fun because of the constant challenges.

Hell, Bodybuilding is like a real life role playing game....and it's a lot more challenging and a LOT more rewarding than some game of virtually building up your character. That's how i view it!

QUOTE]

you have a great attitude bro.. you will NO DOUBT meet your goals one day...

[ward065]

staying pretty ripped isnt too hard for me at all. I know when i am hungry, and i know when i am full. I have never taken fat burners either.

However, i must push my hunger limits when i gain mass on a cycle- enough so i am gaining mass but not so much that i put on fat. And if you listen to your body at least for me, you wont put on fat. It is tough for me to gain mass because i have to eat so damn much- although about 5 years ago i was a tub of lard, and it seemed that everything i ate, just ended up making my waist bigger, so it must be the increased muscle why i have to eat so much, just to maintain my weight.

another funny thing is i eat desserts too unlike a lot of guys- i usually have at least 1 dessert a day, maybe a cookie, a little bit of ice cream. In fact today i ate lunch at mcdonalds, two quarter pounders with cheese, a small french fries and one of those mcflurry desserts, although that's usually 1-2 meals a week.

[ward065]

I understand what u say mate, but it seems tren gave u the greatest gains. Catch 22.

I think the hardest part of bodybuilding is having to use ones' self as a guinea pig because the Feds outlawed doctors advising on its use. Now almost no doctors know much about products like Tren and cant help you use it safely.

Bastards.
there is no doubt tren gives good gains, but, in my first cycle where i used no tren, i did gain pretty good mass (just not as much as i would have liked), however, i just could not seem to pack down the food- enough food, that is. i probably averaged like 3400-3500 calories a day, hence that is why i did not gain as much as i would have liked. I just had trouble eating more than that

[IBdmfkr]

I skimmed through but couldn't find your current weight? Lookin good Ward.
Props.

[Growingpains]

ya dude, i would hit up the accutane if i were you. looking solid man. I would say your chest and quads are the only parts that look like they are laggin.

KEEP IT UP MAN

GP

[tbody66]

Okay, personally, I think bodybuilding is about looking good with your shirt off and would definitely trade some size and cutting to not have that acne. Lot's of guys at the gym get on and start taking anything and everything and then they are all scarred up with the acne. Just a personal choice that I would rather be a little smaller and more bf without the acne. I didn't understand your bench press stuff, as you said your max on bench was a little under 360# and then said you could bench 355# for 6-7 reps, maybe you meant 315# for 6-7 reps? What are you trying to accomplish, maybe that would help people here to understand your motivation for putting up with the acne. Everything is a trade off to some degree. The progress is noticable. Did I miss your stats, I didn't see the beginning and current height and weight?

[Growingpains]

BTW,

my 13 year old cousin took accutane, and it works like a charm. It wouldnt be approved by the FDA if it caused brain tumors!

Let me get this straight you took TREN! but are scared of accutane.

Did I miss something. BTW, the docs take blood tests, and as a result can also test for any others sides from the AAS.

GP

[ward065]

Okay, personally, I think bodybuilding is about looking good with your shirt off and would definitely trade some size and cutting to not have that acne. Lot's of guys at the gym get on and start taking anything and everything and then they are all scarred up with the acne. Just a personal choice that I would rather be a little smaller and more bf without the acne. I didn't understand your bench press stuff, as you said your max on bench was a little under 360# and then said you could bench 355# for 6-7 reps, maybe you meant 315# for 6-7 reps? What are you trying to accomplish, maybe that would help people here to understand your motivation for putting up with the acne. Everything is a trade off to some degree. The progress is noticable. Did I miss your stats, I didn't see the beginning and current height and weight?
no i wasn't mistaken, i can bench 350-355 for 6-7 reps. I can do 315 for about 11 good reps...

What am i trying to accomplish? :scratch: To get huge, what else? :)

As far as weight.....i am about 5'11".......In those first pics i THINK i was about 172-174 pounds........higher bf. Now, as of today, this morning i weigh 197 pounds and my bodyfat is certainly lower than it was in those first pictures.

As i've said the extremely rapid growth......has given me really bad stretch marks too. I think of them however as "trophee's" of my hard work. Under my arms, the skin there is so extremely thin it looks like it could rip! (Seriously!)

Some people may think i'm a bit nuts... but i absolutely LOVE busting my ass in the gym, the feeling is incredibly satisfying!

[tbody66]

Keep your trophee's dude, I'm 5'6" tall, weigh 190#, bench 375# for a 1rm, am 39 years old, have all of my hair, no acne and no stretch marks. If your goal is to get huge fast no matter what the cost, it looks like you are on the right track and should be complimented for you progress. I want to make progress for the rest of my life in my appearance and my health. I'm still confused about the bench press, if your max is under 360# how could you rep 355# 6-7 times? My max is 375# and I can't rep 355, but then again my form is very strict for all of my lifts, max or reps. Your muscle structure and bodyfat are very impressive. Stay focused on what you want to accomplish and to heck with what the rest of us think, take some advice from the guys on here who know what they are talking about though, it is a great site. Learning from other peoples experience and mistakes makes the most sense of all!

[ward065]

regarding my bench, my max is 350-355 for 6-7 reps. I can't do as much weight on incline versus flat bench though.

I never do bench's with just 1 rep nor any other lift fror that matter. Perhaps this was the confusion. I am sure i could bench more for that one rep max, however, i do not see that as necessary in bodybuilding, not to mention the fact that injuries can occur this way.

[swizole]

for those haters on this man about his acne, that is rediculous. ward, jealousy is an ugly thing, dont worry about people making comments about the acne, you are looking great. I know a dude at my gym that got acne 3 times that bad, and when he got off his cycle it went away and left no scars. Also tanning will help dry them things up. Good look man, looking huge.

[ward065]

thanks for the compliments bro... i'm making progress towards my goals, but the truth is i'm just getting started.....there is so much more work to be done :)

[swizole]

haha, exactly how I feel. It will never be good enough.

[Alex Rodriguez]

thanks for the compliments bro... i'm making progress towards my goals, but the truth is i'm just getting started.....there is so much more work to be done :)
good gains, how much in bench?

[*Narkissos*]

good gains, how much in bench?

:rolleyes: Some people...