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pelly789
03-26-2006, 08:36 PM
i was reading up about how to stregthen my rotator cuff after i tore my right shoulder apart playing highschool football a few years ago and i came across this article on bodybuilding.com its a great read and maybe something everyone that lifts weights should be doing....i hope you guys enjoy this article :

Common Neglected Muscles

Can't get any bigger or stronger? You may be neglecting some important exercises.

This article will be a series of articles explaining the most common muscles that we often neglect. In our strive to be the biggest and best, we often fail to look at the little things that will help us get even bigger and better. I know a lot of articles are not written about this, so therefore most guys are in the dark. Most of the common questions of new trainees are, "How do I work the inner part of my chest?"" How do I get my chest bigger?" " How do I get to press more weight?" Why? Because they were never taught anything else. Have you ever reached an area in your benching that you seemed to stick at? Or your failue point was too quick? Most of the time it is because of these overlooked areas. How many guys actually train their stabilizer muscles on purpose? How many trainees actually know that this is a good thing to do? I would guess that very few if any, realize this. Most trainees are more concerned with" getting big" instead of getting functional. There are some problems associated with only "getting big". Let's take a look at one of the most commonly overlooked areas, The Rotator Cuff.

The rotator cuff (or Infraspinatus), is basically involved in a major way when it comes to benching. Have you ever noticed your shoulder area seems to hurt at times before you come to failure? Most of the time this is due to a weak rotator. This could also be said for a lot of other exercises too. This is due to the fact that the rotator really works hard during a lot of different movements you make. Now the rotator cuff is a part of the shoulder. It is a group of tendons that attach together and surround the top, the rear and the front of the shoulder. It actually surrounds it like a cuff on a shirt sleeve will surround your wrist. These tendons are individually connected to short muscles that originate from the scapula (shoulder blades). When these muscles contract they pull on the rotator cuff tendon, causing the shoulder to rotate. This pull causes the shoulder to rotate upward, inward or downward, this is why it's called the rotator cuff.

While doing a bench you may experience some rotator or shoulder pain, during part of the execution. This could be due to excessive stretching or weak muscles in this area. Some trainees will complain of massive pain for the next week or more, this could be due to an impingement. There are a few reasons for this impingement, one that could be a normal problem overlooked. Due to the narrow space here, some trainees may have the tendon and the adherent lubricating tissue (bursa), pinched when the arm is raised in a certain position. Usually forward movement is the main cause of this. Sounds a little like a bench press. So as you can see not working this area could dramatically decrease the bench and may cause some problems in this area. Now as the trainee continues to use this area, (after the soreness has started), which would be common due to working other body parts. The tendons become inflamed and sore, but the trainee still works them, not realizing the possible problems he is causing.

So why is this important to me? Well let's look at a possibilty. When the rotator tendons are inflamed as well as the surrounding tissue, the tendon could possibly start to break down and cause more damage at this area. It could actually all together fail and break away from it's attachements. In younger guys who do weight training, this is more common than you would guess to think. Due to the repetitive throwing and benching, this has a good possiblity of happening. The constant stretching and lifting of this area could very well constitute a tear. Most of the time this would be due to a joint imbalance. But most often is caused by a weakness in the muscle itself.


source: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian1.htm

hope this may help some of those who suffer from chronic shoulder pain like i usually do

Mizfit
03-27-2006, 07:00 AM
My shoulder has been sore for over a month. I can't do side lateral raises. Everything else i seem to be able to do..

I keep sleeping on that arm too which is making it impossible for whatever is wrong with it to heal :(

pelly789
03-27-2006, 12:14 PM
i know what you mean did you ever injure it before or do you just have chronic pain in your shoulder? my situation i injured it playing football and tore it in two places one complete tear and one partial, the doctor took an mri and found nothing but it was so painful he gave me the option to have surgery and that was what he found i still have weak rotators but ive been doing those exercises on that webpage in my previous post and i only did them twice and my shoulders feel a little better already you should think about it might help! good luck let me know what happend that it hurts

My shoulder has been sore for over a month. I can't do side lateral raises. Everything else i seem to be able to do..

I keep sleeping on that arm too which is making it impossible for whatever is wrong with it to heal :(

Mizfit
03-27-2006, 12:26 PM
i know what you mean did you ever injure it before or do you just have chronic pain in your shoulder? my situation i injured it playing football and tore it in two places one complete tear and one partial, the doctor took an mri and found nothing but it was so painful he gave me the option to have surgery and that was what he found i still have weak rotators but ive been doing those exercises on that webpage in my previous post and i only did them twice and my shoulders feel a little better already you should think about it might help! good luck let me know what happend that it hurts
No i hadn't injured it ever before.. it was one of my strongest parts... my rear delts have shrunk a little because of the 3 weeks i took off.

How it happened...I did a heavy shoulder day.. (well heavy for me!) and when i got home i decided to do a 100 pushups. I didn't feel anything then except usually soreness from a good workout...but when i went to take my cloths off at night and pushed my arm back.. I was in severe pain..

gellert32
03-27-2006, 02:20 PM
What other symptoms do u have? Post them all and you can get a better diagnosis..

Mizfit
03-27-2006, 02:38 PM
What other symptoms do u have? Post them all and you can get a better diagnosis..
Only the outer edge of my left shoulder. It's tender to touch and if i bend it back it hurts

It was getting better but i have a bad habit of sleeping on my arm as a pillow and it gets sore all over again.

gellert32
03-27-2006, 03:34 PM
A shoulder impingement is possible…it is a common condition that causes pain in the shoulder. In normal shoulders the body provides adequate room in its subacromial space so that you can lift your arm and move it backwards with no pain. Sometimes this space can decrease, if this has happened when you lift you arm back the rotator cuff can become pinched.
Impingements are common in athletes that do a lot of lifting over their head. It can happen spontaneously with no serious incident occurring that would leave an obvious injury. The normal workout you said that you did could have been what caused it, or triggered it.
In its early stages basic treatment is required. Rest, ice and trying to do less over head activities, anti-inflammatory meds are also good. Physiotherapy focused on building the rotator cuff muscles that will help push the ball and socket joint down and prevent the pinching should be done.
Also try not sleeping on it if that is possible, if you continue to do this it could start to be painful while sleeping.
If you feel the pain starting to move to you upper arm you should take some time off.
The only way to be sure is to get an MRI with a dye, since you have had the pain for a while I would say go your doc and see what he/she has to say
Good luck

pelly789
03-27-2006, 05:52 PM
i got an mri scan with dye and the doctor still didnt see anything wrong with my shoulder but then he went in to operate and i had two tears one full tear and a partial tear in my rotator cuff so i wouldnt go as far as saying thats the only sure way to know...especially because if i hadnt opted for surgery and waited too long to get it fixed it would have never healed for the rest of my life and that would have sucked but you might want to see an ortho anyway as he/she might have something to tell you it sounds like an impingement like gellert said but it could be a few different things too anywhere from a strain to the muscle or a pinched nerve not sure since you didnt notice the pain until you took it off!:lol:

gellert32
03-27-2006, 05:57 PM
MRI scan is one of the best ways to diagnose damage, but still that’s crazy that you doc didn’t c 2 TEARS including one that was completely ruptured.

Mizfit
03-27-2006, 06:00 PM
i got an mri scan with dye and the doctor still didnt see anything wrong with my shoulder but then he went in to operate and i had two tears one full tear and a partial tear in my rotator cuff so i wouldnt go as far as saying thats the only sure way to know...especially because if i hadnt opted for surgery and waited too long to get it fixed it would have never healed for the rest of my life and that would have sucked but you might want to see an ortho anyway as he/she might have something to tell you it sounds like an impingement like gellert said but it could be a few different things too anywhere from a strain to the muscle or a pinched nerve not sure since you didnt notice the pain until you took it off!:lol:
I have a high tolerance for pain and i guess when i pushed my arm back that night.. i finally noticed it..:scratch:

pelly789
03-27-2006, 07:41 PM
yea i know what your saying it is pretty weird he didnt see anything, we did a regular mri then he injected my joint with dye and still nothing showed up and he was a great doctor besides that he fixed it up and was suprised himself at what he found...nothing is ever guarenteed im just glad i opted to get the surgery or else he said that it would have never healed because the tendons would have stretched too far apart and there would be nothing to fix that..guess i made one good choice!


MRI scan is one of the best ways to diagnose damage, but still that’s crazy that you doc didn’t c 2 TEARS including one that was completely ruptured.

gellert32
03-27-2006, 11:34 PM
yea i know what your saying it is pretty weird he didnt see anything, we did a regular mri then he injected my joint with dye and still nothing showed up and he was a great doctor besides that he fixed it up and was suprised himself at what he found...nothing is ever guarenteed im just glad i opted to get the surgery or else he said that it would have never healed because the tendons would have stretched too far apart and there would be nothing to fix that..guess i made one good choice!


Yeah you did man…at least its all good now right?

pelly789
03-28-2006, 04:54 PM
yea for the most part it felt real good after PT but i didnt think to keep using the PT exercises to keep it strong so its kind of weak agian i can still use it and everything but the joints get sore after shoulder days and chest days but im currently back on the PT exercises