wow my body sucks!

[l2elapse]

well im just starting(flexing), i weight 140 lbs, no juice for me. Just gonna train and eat as much as possible, i know it looks funny. I have a condition known as Pectus Excavatum(PE) where my chest caves in. Trying to get that fixed. 5'10. know im real skinny. Much criticism please

[juiceboxxx]

well im just starting(flexing), i weight 140 lbs, no juice for me. Just gonna train and eat as much as possible, i know it looks funny. I have a condition known as Pectus Excavatum(PE) where my chest caves in. Trying to get that fixed. 5'10. know im real skinny. Much criticism please

Have you tryed looking into your diet? Post your diet, maybe we can help.

[-DedicateD-]

EAT

Its tough to critique your body now as your still starting out.
Best advice is just to get on a good high calorie bulking diet, and start lifting using heavy compound movements to put on some mass. I applaud you for posting your pic for advice, stick with everything and you will see great results. Keep us updated. goodluck

[l2elapse]

just started diet.
6 eggs, 1 piece of wheat bread, big glass of OJ

Meal 2 Nlarge2 Protein Shake, Can of Tuna

Meal 3 Salmon Fillet, Rice, OJ

Meal 4 Yogurt, OJ
workout
Meal 5 Nlarge Shake with some sugar

Meal 6, Roast beef with fruit mix

Meal 7(Bed) Nlarge Approx 4500 calories

[-DedicateD-]

just started diet.
6 eggs, 1 piece of wheat bread, big glass of OJ

Meal 2 Nlarge2 Protein Shake, Can of Tuna

Meal 3 Salmon Fillet, Rice, OJ

Meal 4 Yogurt, OJ
workout
Meal 5 Nlarge Shake with some sugar

Meal 6, Roast beef with fruit mix

Meal 7(Bed) Nlarge Approx 4500 calories

I know im not the best person to critique the diet, youll get ALOT of replies in teh diet forum section. RIght off the bat though, i would try and limit the supplementation a bit, try and get some more calorie rich foods in place of the shakes is at all possible.

[juiceboxxx]

just started diet.
6 eggs, 1 piece of wheat bread, big glass of OJ

Meal 2 Nlarge2 Protein Shake, Can of Tuna

Meal 3 Salmon Fillet, Rice, OJ

Meal 4 Yogurt, OJ
workout
Meal 5 Nlarge Shake with some sugar

Meal 6, Roast beef with fruit mix

Meal 7(Bed) Nlarge Approx 4500 calories


Try this :

1 1 cup of brown rice, 1 1/2cup oatmeal, 2 tablespoon flax oil

2 1 chicken breast, 2 sweet potatoes

3 1 cup of brown rice, 1 1/2cup oatmeal

4 2 tablespoon flax oil, 1 1/2cup oatmeal

5 40g whey, 1 cup oatmeal

( ) TRAIN

6 PWO 50g whey 100g dextrose

7 PPWO - 2 chicken breasts, 1 cup brown rice
-1 hour following PWO (notice the times..but again this is just letting you know timing between meals and not the exact time since you have a different schedule.


8 1 cup cottage cheese, 2 tablespoon flax oil

This is 4604 calories right now.
(Subtract 458 calories burned from gym/work out)
= 4146 Calories


(An Estimate)

Carbs: 645g
Protein: 247g
Fat: 126g

[l2elapse]

what can i subsitute for cottage cheese..i hate it

[-DedicateD-]

what can i subsitute for cottage cheese..i hate it

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=233140

[BlueAndromeda73]

I wouldnt say your body sucks just got to put more on it :) like the guys above stated the secret is the diet, good luck with that

[l2elapse]

any kind of oatmeal?

[AnatomicallyBlessed]

chest caves in? i don't see it.

[juiceboxxx]

I would try this meal plan. Sorry, my mistake I meant to post this once for you but instead I posted the wrong one which was the 1st one.


1 (4:30PM): 10 egg whites, 1 1/2cup oatmeal, 1 table spoon of flax oil

2 (07:30PM) 1 chicken breast, 2 sweet potatoes,

3 (09:30PM) 1 cup of brown rice, 12 egg whites,

4 (11:30PM) 1 Can of Tuna, 2 table spoon of Mayo (regular), 1 handful of Unsalted peanuts-dry roasted

5 (01:30AM) 40g whey, 1 cup oatmeal

(2:15AM) TRAIN

6 (3:30AM) PWO 50g whey 100g dextrose

7 (4:30AM) PPWO 2 chicken breasts, 1 cup brown rice
-1 hour following PWO (notice the times but again this is just letting you know timing between meals and not the exact time since you have a different schedule.


8 (7:00AM) 1 cup cottage cheese, 2 tablespoon flax oil

Total Calories: 3964 calories right now.

(Subtract 458 calories burned from 1 hour of workout)

= 3506 Calories

(A rough Estimate)
Carbs: 456g
Protein: 340g
Fat: 90g

Dont mind the timings. Go according to your time schedule.

[l2elapse]

you cant see my chest caved in cuz when i expand and flex my chest, it expands. its about 1.9 cm concaved in without flexing

[juiceboxxx]

I would try the 2nd meal plan I give you for about 6 weeks and see how it works for you. Also hit up the diet forum and do some more research. I'm pretty sure this meal plan would give you good results. Give it a shot. You got alot to gain and nothing to lose. :)

[IBdmfkr]

You are more built than I was when I started, I'm 5'9 210lbs 7yrs later. Keep at it. 3 things to stick by.

1. Learn everything there is to know about diet

2. Don't overtrain

3. Start every week with Legs.

[dr_skier]

From what I see it looks like you'll have a good torso to start out with! that'll look great with everything else brought up a bit....

[T3/T4 GSR]

N large is good but try and do less shakes and more whole food. Using this method and a routine based on heavy compound lifts (WBB1) I was able to put 20 pounds on naturally in 6 months and I started very close to your stats.

[C_Bino]

Try this :

1 1 cup of brown rice, 1 1/2cup oatmeal, 2 tablespoon flax oil

2 1 chicken breast, 2 sweet potatoes

3 1 cup of brown rice, 1 1/2cup oatmeal

4 2 tablespoon flax oil, 1 1/2cup oatmeal

5 40g whey, 1 cup oatmeal

( ) TRAIN

6 PWO 50g whey 100g dextrose

7 PPWO - 2 chicken breasts, 1 cup brown rice
-1 hour following PWO (notice the times..but again this is just letting you know timing between meals and not the exact time since you have a different schedule.


8 1 cup cottage cheese, 2 tablespoon flax oil

This is 4604 calories right now.
(Subtract 458 calories burned from gym/work out)
= 4146 Calories


(An Estimate)

Carbs: 645g
Protein: 247g
Fat: 126g
Please do not use this diet. I dont mean to flame but this diet is pretty awful IMO. That diet does not contain 247g protein either, maybe 200. Why would you have him eating meals that are purely carbs or a mix of just carbs and fat? Protein should be included in every meal, yet you list three without it.
My suggestion is post your diet in the diet forum where you will get more detailed and more educated responses.

[Testostack]

well im just starting(flexing), i weight 140 lbs, no juice for me. Just gonna train and eat as much as possible, i know it looks funny. I have a condition known as Pectus Excavatum(PE) where my chest caves in. Trying to get that fixed. 5'10. know im real skinny. Much criticism please

LMFAO.........Your thread title cracked me up.........i had to see what was going on! that said, maybe you'll have to eat a LOT more.

[juiceboxxx]

Please do not use this diet. I dont mean to flame but this diet is pretty awful IMO. That diet does not contain 247g protein either, maybe 200. Why would you have him eating meals that are purely carbs or a mix of just carbs and fat? Protein should be included in every meal, yet you list three without it.
My suggestion is post your diet in the diet forum where you will get more detailed and more educated responses.

I know its awfull lol. I posted it by mistake. This was an old unedited one. Scroll up, I mentioned that he should use the 2nd one instead because the 2nd diet post I made I use as well and it works pretty good for me. I know everyone is different and they realize whats good for them through trial and error but the 2nd meal plan post was the one I was trying to post up for him, to give him a base to start off from .:wg:

btw: I dont know why the protein didnt add up right as you claim. cuz I did a calorie count using the calorie king website.:scratch:

[C_Bino]

I know its awfull lol. I posted it by mistake. This was an old unedited one. Scroll up, I mentioned that he should use the 2nd one instead because the 2nd diet post I made I use as well and it works pretty good for me. I know everyone is different and they realize whats good for them through trial and error but the 2nd meal plan post was the one I was trying to post up for him, to give him a base to start off from .:wg:

btw: I dont know why the protein didnt add up right as you claim. cuz I did a calorie count using the calorie king website.:scratch:
Ahhh yes, second diet is much better my man. Well I never used a calorise calculator but I know must of the stuff by heart. Plus even with the macronutrient breakdown you provided the calories didnt add up to the total cals you listed. I try no to use calculators like that.
Simple rule is this:
1g protein = 4cals
1g carbs = 4cals
1g fat = 9cals

Now you dont need those damn online things lol.

[IBdmfkr]

*cough* Carbs=3.75 *cough* lol j/k Bino Yea I calculate them as 4 as well.

[ProteinFart]

Dood, I seriously applaud you also for posting your pics up when you're not feeling you look to good. But honestly bro, you look better than I did when I started. I was that skinny with LESS muscle, then I started getting a gut. I went from 6'3" 145 lbs to 195 lbs where I'm at now. Took about 5 years and a lot of work and only NOW am I starting my first cycle. I feel with the right diet and work out rigime you could get results much faster. Why? Cause you're doing the one thing I DIDN'T do off the bat, RESEARCH! You came here and started asking around and posting pics et. Good for you bro. Determination and knowledge will get you results faster than you think.
Knowledge is power - kick some ass bro!

[Lavinco]

I promise to not comment if I only have negative things to say.

EDITED BY ~SC~

[davedizzle]

well im just starting(flexing), i weight 140 lbs, no juice for me. Just gonna train and eat as much as possible, i know it looks funny. I have a condition known as Pectus Excavatum(PE) where my chest caves in. Trying to get that fixed. 5'10. know im real skinny. Much criticism please

Hey dude, have a look at my thread.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=225929

I was 130il'ish when I started, and 5'10.. almost same as you bro.
Look where I got in just over a year... all natural.
You already have some good definition, and a great base to work on.

Good luck bro, keep us update!

Peace

[l2elapse]

will do!

[cj1capp]

dont be down you have a good base to start with , eat and lift. you look young take your time and and stay natural and reasearch. you will get there keep us posted .

[cj1capp]

:rolleyes:
dont be a jerk , the kid is skinny and her for help lets help him and by the way here is some info on PE for you. http://www.pectusinfo.com/intro.htm

[Superhuman]

well im just starting(flexing), i weight 140 lbs, no juice for me. Just gonna train and eat as much as possible, i know it looks funny. I have a condition known as Pectus Excavatum(PE) where my chest caves in. Trying to get that fixed. 5'10. know im real skinny. Much criticism please

hey bro, let me tell you something... I'm 18 years old right now - I've meddled with steroids a couple times but no serious cycles. I started working out at 16 years old at the end of my sophomore year. I was 6'2" 145lbs. I also had over 16% bodyfat at least. I was skinny and fat at the same time! I got tired of being made fun of for being so scrawny and I really wanted to play football - so I started working out 4 hours/day hard. 2hrs before school, 2hrs after, add to that football conditioning. I initially gained about 15lbs because my body was shocked having never worked out before. I got up to about 160-165lbs in about 3 months. The problem was I wasn't eating. My coach told me to "Eat like a horse and shit like a bird". So I did. for the whole summer I ate all-u-can eat pizza @ CiCis twice a day for 2 hours straight, had about 6 protein shakes a day, and at least 2-3 additional meals Equalling upwards of 9-11 thousand calories/day. I also set my alarm clock to wake up in the middle of the night to eat 2 peanut butter, jelly, and honey sandwiches.

From the Spring on Sophomore Year to the Fall of Juinior Year, I went from 145lbs to 215lbs - and mostly muscle was gained. My bodyfat increased by maybe 5%. I then began training smarter-not harder and cut out a lot of fat in my diet. I went from 215-245lbs in the next 2 months.

I gained a total of 100lbs in 7 months by eating like crazy and lifting really freaking hard. I kept my bodyfat somewjhat low by football training (plyometrics, jumprope, running, 7 on 7, off-season).

Now I'm 18 and I'm 6'2" 242lbs @ about 8% bodyfat. My first competition is in about a month. After gaining all that weight, my task was then to shape it the way I want it and then lose the excess bodyfat, so for the last year that's all I have been doing.

SUMMARY= Work Hard and EAT LOTS AND LOTS OF FOOD! Once you get to the size you want, start cutting the fat off.

[*Alex*]

really? jelly and honey in the middle of the night, and gaining muscle?

[LX-1]

your body doesnt suck...you just need more muscle...

[*Narkissos*]

dont be a jerk , the kid is skinny and her for help lets help him and by the way here is some info on PE for you. http://www.pectusinfo.com/intro.htm

How was notsmall being a jerk?

He rolled his eyes at Lavinco's statement:

I never knew there was a medical term for just being a skinny ass.

Thats nothing that some extra muscle can't fix.

:rolleyes: ... Lavinco, that was just plain dumb... and mean

your body doesnt suck...you just need more muscle...

Well put.. agreed 100%

[C_Bino]

*cough* Carbs=3.75 *cough* lol j/k Bino Yea I calculate them as 4 as well.
Goddamn you, they may as well revoke my vet status, every thread I post in you come in after and ruin my life. Good night to all of you. I will no longer be posting in any forum but the female only.

[IBdmfkr]

Goddamn you, they may as well revoke my vet status, every thread I post in you come in after and ruin my life. Good night to all of you. I will no longer be posting in any forum but the female only.

BAHAHAHAHA :7up:

[timtim]

I gained a total of 100lbs in 7 months by eating like crazy and lifting really freaking hard. I kept my bodyfat somewjhat low by football training (plyometrics, jumprope, running, 7 on 7, off-season).

just noticed this. so you gained 100 pounds in 7 months, or 14 pounds a month or @ 3.5 pounds a week. going from a skinny fat 145 with 16% bf to 242 with 8% bf. so actually you gained more like 120 pounds in 7 months, maybe even more. lets say 120 pounds in 7 months, or 17 pounds a month or 4 plus pounds of only muscle a week.

this is complete :bs: . sorry, not flaming you at all or trying to start an issue -not my goal here. the numbers speak for themselves, complete bs. there is no way what you claimed happened unless you are testing out a myostatin inhibitor because the human body would NEVER allow for such a change, especially in the time table you say, even with aas.

[NotSmall]

How was notsmall being a jerk?

He rolled his eyes at Lavinco's statement:

Thanks Nark :thumbsup:

I'm not really sure how cj1capp got the wrong end of the stick there...

[SwoleCat]

Me either, it was pretty straightforward.

~SC~

[tbody66]

eat more lift heavy, take the specific advice offered in the diet and exercise forums and best of luck! Also a great idea to not even consider AAS.

[l2elapse]

thanks guys, lots of helps, really appreciate it and all the encouragement

[cj1capp]

Thanks Nark :thumbsup:

I'm not really sure how cj1capp got the wrong end of the stick there...
sorry if i got the wrong end of the stick, its just that i have a child with a problem and i get upset to soon some times

[NotSmall]

sorry if i got the wrong end of the stick, its just that i have a child with a problem and i get upset to soon some times
It's all good bro, had I been agreeing with the musclebound freak that is Lavinco (as I assume you thought I was) then your response would have been entirely warranted.

[MESSY_UK]

Your an ectomorph, you need to eat eat eat!

[IWANNABIGG]

I would try this meal plan. Sorry, my mistake I meant to post this once for you but instead I posted the wrong one which was the 1st one.


1 (4:30PM): 10 egg whites, 1 1/2cup oatmeal, 1 table spoon of flax oil

2 (07:30PM) 1 chicken breast, 2 sweet potatoes,

3 (09:30PM) 1 cup of brown rice, 12 egg whites,

4 (11:30PM) 1 Can of Tuna, 2 table spoon of Mayo (regular), 1 handful of Unsalted peanuts-dry roasted

5 (01:30AM) 40g whey, 1 cup oatmeal

(2:15AM) TRAIN

6 (3:30AM) PWO 50g whey 100g dextrose

7 (4:30AM) PPWO 2 chicken breasts, 1 cup brown rice
-1 hour following PWO (notice the times but again this is just letting you know timing between meals and not the exact time since you have a different schedule.


8 (7:00AM) 1 cup cottage cheese, 2 tablespoon flax oil

Total Calories: 3964 calories right now.

(Subtract 458 calories burned from 1 hour of workout)

= 3506 Calories

(A rough Estimate)
Carbs: 456g
Protein: 340g
Fat: 90g

Dont mind the timings. Go according to your time schedule.

is it just me or are the times messed up in that diet... other than that it looks goood

[IBdmfkr]

He works nights he mentioned. So this is all he has to work with.

[juiceboxxx]

He works nights he mentioned. So this is all he has to work with.

Thanx for clearing that up brotha:wg: . Although its mentioned at the bottom of the post, dont mind the timing cuz its according to my schedule.:nutkick:

[IWANNABIGG]

haha my bad.. i swear my eyes are going on me.. i might have to try that tho looks good..

[stunt954]

I dont know about jelly and honey in the middle of the night either... But I was going to suggest eating something in the middle of the night along with frequent meals during the day ( Never have your stomach hungry ). But you dont have to overeat either. I'm not a fitness or diet professional ... But i was an Ectomorph Hardgainer like yourself when i first started and before resorting to supplements and things of that sort... I made sure I was eating a high calorie diet . Goodluck man and keep up the determination !!! Look for my diary in the forums in a few weeks ...

[clifpi]

This is good information. Anyone have thoughts onto how to get definition when the bulking is complete? I have packed pounds but I have no definition. I don't want to do cardio to cut down fat or I may loose my gains. Any thoughts?

[IBdmfkr]

This should be in a new thread, but you are mistaken, cardio will not cause you to lose gains. Your diet will.

[Superhuman]

just noticed this. so you gained 100 pounds in 7 months, or 14 pounds a month or @ 3.5 pounds a week. going from a skinny fat 145 with 16% bf to 242 with 8% bf. so actually you gained more like 120 pounds in 7 months, maybe even more. lets say 120 pounds in 7 months, or 17 pounds a month or 4 plus pounds of only muscle a week.

this is complete :bs: . sorry, not flaming you at all or trying to start an issue -not my goal here. the numbers speak for themselves, complete bs. there is no way what you claimed happened unless you are testing out a myostatin inhibitor because the human body would NEVER allow for such a change, especially in the time table you say, even with aas.

I know it sounds crazy, that's why everybody in my school thought I was taking steroids. I only started the AAS after I gained all the weight to help me harden up and cut fat while still staying big. IMHO it is much easier to go from fat to beastly than to start from nothing. Maybe it won't work for everyone, but after two years of really hard work and doing what I said, I am unrecognizable. The only negative points are that I have aweful stretch marks now and I had high blood pressure (only when I initially gained the weight - it's fine now.)

[timtim]

i'm still not too sure i believe that crazy weight gain and all but you seem like a cool headed guy ready to explain your side of the story. good for you either way. good attitude too, i was alittle worried i may have been offensive.

[CrazyHuge2122]

Just a thought homie. Look into the muscle fitness 3 month workout program. The first month is a blitzing bulking workout. With a high calorie and protein diet i went from 163 to 190 all natural. Cell Tech, Whey protein, Glutamin aside. I have been as big as 220 on juice though before giving them and lifting up so i could serve the Lord. So i do have some muscle memory but everyone that has done it has at least put on 10-15lbs in four weeks. Just a thought. God Bless!