Starting phera plex cycle on monday...

[rar1015]

I have all of my supplements on hand and i just have a couple of quick questions.

My cycle looks like this:

Phera plex 20/20/20/20
Milk Thistle-1000mgs ed (liver support)
flax seed oil-2000mgs ed (joint support)
niacin 1000mgs ed (cholestrol support)
hawthorne berry (headaches)
saw palmetto (prostate pain)
Red yeast rice (blood lipid levels)

The questions i have are about the ones in bold. How much of those do you guys suggest i take?

The saw plametto i was wondering if i should even take it or is that something to add in if you experience prostate pain? I read that you should start taking it a couple of weeks before the cycle but i just wanted your opinions on it.

My last question is how do you recommend i take these supplemets? Should i split it up throughout the day or take most of them all at once?

Thanks guys!!

[Superdrol1971]

I would up the dose of milk thistle at least 1800mgs,1200mgs of red yeast rice(also good for cholestrol) i would take this during pct too,have some Taurine on hand just in case of the lower back pumps,hawthorne and saw palmetto just in case,and imo i would split them up through out the day

[rar1015]

I was just going to edit my post and say i am going to pick up some taurine incase i get some pretty bad back pumps also. Im not 100% sure if im gonna take the saw palmetto just to be safe or what but i'll figure it out. The hawthorne berry i could just throw in if i start getting headaches then?

[rar1015]

Anyone else?

[zaneisgreat]

I take 2000mg Milk thistle, 2200mg Hawthorn berries, 1200-1800mg RYR

this seems to conquer any PP sides except for lower back pumps (ive never tried taurine)

I also take Anti-oxidents (Vit C+E). They probably dont directly deal with sides but its still a good idea.

[boxingbean]

taurine sumhow HELPS ALOT with backpumps!!!!!!! one day i ran out, and i went 2 days without it, OH MY GOD I COULD NOT MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!

[rar1015]

Yeah thats what ive heard. I picked some up just in case the back pumps are bothering me a lot.

[tinyguy2]

what are the back pumps on s-d liek in comparision to m1t

[Superdrol1971]

I dont know what they are like on m1t but on SD if you dont have taurine and potasium your screwed,mine got sooo bad i would have to lay on the floor for like 15 mins till my lower back felt better,i would go in the stretching room at the gym and pretend i was stretching but really i was in PAIN!!!!

[rar1015]

Yeah, you know a friend of mine did an sd cycle and he is about to start his second one but he said that he had some pretty bad back pumps but it doesnt sound like they were as bad as your's. We'll see what happens everyone reacts different so who know's. I will say that i cant wait to start this cycle i am ready to go and i have everything i need so hopefully everything goes well.

[Superdrol1971]

Good luck!...Other then the back pumps the only other side i got was lethargy real bad in the last week of the cycle,really drained me,didnt even want to work out it was hard enough to get through the work day...but you see the results and i was like i gotta do this,thats when the no-xplode came in handy for me anyway,yeah i cant wait to do my next cycle of SD again!!!

[tinyguy2]

yeah when i did m1t i had back pumps for like the first week then they went away and had no real sides except lethergy but eca helped that my bp was through the roof though not positive tho cause i only had it checked on one of those ones in the store and its supposed to accomodate up to 13 inch arms and i could barely get my arm into it. but i did get a nosebleed the second day also which is linked to bp. i wanna do a cycle am i better of with phera or superdrol. i dont want to gain fat or get bloat. also which is more hell to my liver or they about even

[Superdrol1971]

yeah when i did m1t i had back pumps for like the first week then they went away and had no real sides except lethergy but eca helped that my bp was through the roof though not positive tho cause i only had it checked on one of those ones in the store and its supposed to accomodate up to 13 inch arms and i could barely get my arm into it. but i did get a nosebleed the second day also which is linked to bp. i wanna do a cycle am i better of with phera or superdrol. i dont want to gain fat or get bloat. also which is more hell to my liver or they about even


SD all the way!!!They are both hell on the liver....Drink alot of water you wont get bloated,of coarse your goin to put on alittle fat but most of it is going to be muscle...depending on your diet too!!Ive heard of people getting bloated in there lower ab section(waist line) in like the last week of cycle,first week of pct like actually putting on a couple of pounds of fat there,i dont know never happened to me,but they said that it came off real quick...dont know if thats a side or not!!

[tinyguy2]

nah i'll make sure my diet is great before i do a cycle of anyting. how much muscle did you gain on your cycle?

[Superdrol1971]

When i did SD i gained about 12 lbs i would say about 8 lbs muscle 4 lbs fat....

[Superdrol1971]

my diet was not the greatest!!!!

[rar1015]

Was your diet set for bulking or more for cutting?

[Superdrol1971]

Bulking...but it was still bad, alot of protien bars (alot of sugar),it just wasnt right.....this site totally helped me out alot!!!!So when i do my next cycle im going to do it right...which will be very soon!!!

[tinyguy2]

so u gained 12 pounds eating protein bars...then im defintately doing a cycle within the next few months. is methyl masterdrol my best bet for an sd knockoff

[Superdrol1971]

so u gained 12 pounds eating protein bars...then im defintately doing a cycle within the next few months. is methyl masterdrol my best bet for an sd knockoff

Alot of flank steak,i ate steak like everyday,i pretty much ate like crap, no set diet although i did take in 2g of protien per body weight half of it in protien bars...lol

[tinyguy2]

half the protein that they count in bars is ground up cow hooves and sh!t. i would be completely be happy with gaining 10 pounds then 15 would be great. 220 is my first goal.

[boxingbean]

i consume at least 1 gallon a day, on superdrol or PP, 2 gallons or more, i think superdrol gives good lean mass, while PP is just mass,

i think a good safe 8wk cycle of PP then SD would be awesome, but again, its HELL on the liver

[rar1015]

I wouldnt ever suggest a cycle of pp or sd over 4 weeks.

[tinyguy2]

how bad are these really for your liver. would being drunk all the time be worse? i drink like 2 gallons of water everyday anyway

[rar1015]

Im not gonna try to give an explanation for this but the answer is YES is bad for you liver.

[tinyguy2]

i know it is bad for you but that wasnt what i asked its bad cause it is methylated which makes it get broken down more than once by your liver and your liver works overtime and the enzymes in it get to high and start destroying your liver. but is it worse than drinking heavily like a college kid does?

[rar1015]

Just another quick question to you guys that have done a phera plex cycle, how long did it take until you started feeling the effects of it?

[rar1015]

Well i took my first dose of pp this morning then the second about 1 hour before my workout, along with my support supplements. Keep in mind that im doing these exercises until i basically fail and cant put it up anymore.

Shoulders and triceps

tricep pulldowns with rope-70lbs/12, 65lbs/12, 65lbs/10
overhead tricep with db's-70lbs/8, 65lbs/8, 65lbs/8

military should press-45lbs/10, 45lbs/10, 40lbs/8
shoulder shruggs-70lbs/10, 70lbs/10, 65lbs/8
There were two more shoulder exercises i did that my buddy showed me tonight but i cant remember what they were called so i will update this post when i find out what they were. I went home and had my PWO nutrition and now im gonna hit the sack. It was a pretty good workout tonight but i think im going to switch up my routine a little. I want to try something a little different now so i will keep you guys updated on what im doing and how the cycle is going.

[Papi93]

Just another quick question to you guys that have done a phera plex cycle, how long did it take until you started feeling the effects of it?

I started my dosing on a Saturday and had my first workout on Monday. I noticed a strength increase on that first workout. My log demonstrates this.

[rar1015]

Thats a good idea. I never thought about doing that but i'll give it shot with my next cycle.

[rar1015]

Day 2

20mgs pp
1000mgs-milk thistle
500mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry

Today was just a cardio day for me. I ran for about 35 minutes then did some swimming for about 30 minutes. I cant wait until this stuff kicks in. Im feeling pretty confident about it and i will say that since i started taking the pp i have been a lot more focused when im working out so far. It may not be the pp but who knows. When i was at work today i was sitting at my desk and my lower back started to tighten up a little. It wasnt hurting or anything but i think im gonna pick up some taurine incase it starts to get worse.

I forgot to put in yesturdays post that i weighed in at 203lbs and today i was at 205, so im up 2lbs. I dont really think that is from the pp either. Tomorrow is back and bicep day so i'll be back with how the workout goes tomorrow.

[PoisonPen]

Rar, are you sure 1000mg. Milk Thistle is enough? Also the 500mg. Niacin? Not trying to correct you or anything, this is more of a question to better my own understanding.

[NightTrain]

Rar, are you sure 1000mg. Milk Thistle is enough? Also the 500mg. Niacin? Not trying to correct you or anything, this is more of a question to better my own understanding.

im taking 1000mg of milk thistle, and 1500 mg of niacin.... i think you could up the doseage of the niacin and be ok, but im not an expert. just going off some of the research i have done on here. i got this off a sticky in the PCT forum and saved it to my computer for future reference.............A general dose for cholesterol health is around 1000-1500mgs daily but if using the flush free version a dose of 2000-3000 mgs is preferred as this version is slightly weaker acting. once again rar1015 im not busting your butt just trying to help answer poisons question......

poison check out the PCT forum there are a couple stickys that have some must read info in them....... good luck

[rar1015]

Rar, are you sure 1000mg. Milk Thistle is enough? Also the 500mg. Niacin? Not trying to correct you or anything, this is more of a question to better my own understanding.

No problem man advice is always appreciated. I was actually going to bump the dose of niacin to 1000mgs anyway. Thanks for the input!!

[rar1015]

im taking 1000mg of milk thistle, and 1500 mg of niacin.... i think you could up the doseage of the niacin and be ok, but im not an expert. just going off some of the research i have done on here. i got this off a sticky in the PCT forum and saved it to my computer for future reference.............A general dose for cholesterol health is around 1000-1500mgs daily but if using the flush free version a dose of 2000-3000 mgs is preferred as this version is slightly weaker acting. once again rar1015 im not busting your butt just trying to help answer poisons question......

poison check out the PCT forum there are a couple stickys that have some must read info in them....... good luck

Thanks to you too NightTrain. Im gonna bump up the dose.

[rar1015]

Day 3

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today was back and bicep day and it was a pretty good workout. Im starting get more focused on my workout and it seems to be going pretty good so far. Im not going to log all of my excercises from today because i wanna talk about something else. Today when i left work i started getting some pain in my left ball when i would cough, take a deep breath or lift something. I started to freak out thinking it could possibly be prostate pain so i went out right away and bought some saw palmetto and took that. I still was feeling the pain a bit but i still went to workout and when i got to the gym it went away completely. One of my friends said it sounds like i have a hernia. Im not sure because if i was lifting as much as was tonight i think i would still feel the pain if it were a hernia. Im not sure whats going on but if the pain comes back im gonna go see my doc and get his opinion on it and have him check it out. What do you guys think it could be?

[rar1015]

Day 4

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today was a day off for me. I was going to go to the gym and do some cardio but i decided to just take a day off. I dont really seem to be having anymore problems with the boys downstairs so hopefully it stays away. I actually took they day off of work and went to six flags great america with some friends. It kinda sucked because i got stung by a bee while i was on a ride and my armed swelled up pretty bad and then they closed the park down early because of a storm. Anyways tommorow is my chest and tricep day. I use to do shoulders and triceps but i am going to switch it up a little and start a new routine. I will be back tomorrow with how it goes.

[Project]

yeah when i did m1t i had back pumps for like the first week then they went away and had no real sides except lethergy but eca helped that my bp was through the roof though not positive tho cause i only had it checked on one of those ones in the store and its supposed to accomodate up to 13 inch arms and i could barely get my arm into it. but i did get a nosebleed the second day also which is linked to bp. i wanna do a cycle am i better of with phera or superdrol. i dont want to gain fat or get bloat. also which is more hell to my liver or they about even
My .02 would be for PP. Fewer sides and equal, if not greater gains.

[rar1015]

day 5

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

CHEST
The first three were done with db's

flat bench-65lbs/8, 65lbs/6, 60lbs/8,
incline bench-55lbs/8, 55lbs/8, 50lbs/8
decline bench-60lbs/8, 60lbs/8, 55lbs/8

I use those machines called hammer strength too. Im not sure if they are considered machines but oh well:
Incline-60lbs each side/10, 60lbs each side/8, 55lbs each side/8
flat-70lbs each side/8, 70lbs each side/6, 65lbs each side/8
decline-65lbs each side/8, 65lbs each side/6, 60lbs each side/8

TRICEPS

Tricep pulldown with rope-75lbs/10, 75lbs/10, 70lbs/10, 70lbs/10
overhead tricep with db's-75lbs/8, 75lbs/6, 70lbs/7

Today i started to feel this stuff kickin in and it felt great. When i was working my triceps i started getting some awesome pumps and i felt just rock solid. I cant wait to see what is still to come with the rest of this cycle.

I dont think the pain i was having a couple of days ago was from the pp. It seems to be completely gone now so thats good. If it was the pp i guess the saw palmetto took care of it. I am also starting to get a lot more focused everytime i workout. Tomorrow is a cardio day so i wont have to much for that but i'll be back sunday with the next workout!!

[NightTrain]

dude, looks like a good day at the gym..... glad to hear all is going well with the "pain". keep up the hard work and we will continue to compare issuses and growth specs. how much wieght have you gained? later bro

[rar1015]

[QUOTE=NightTrain]dude, looks like a good day at the gym..... glad to hear all is going well with the "pain". keep up the hard work and we will continue to compare issuses and growth specs. how much wieght have you gained? later bro[/QUOTE

Before i started the cycle i was trying to cut a bit and i was down to 202lbs and since i started the cycle on monday im up to 205lbs. I dont know if its necessarily from the pp but who knows. How is your cycle going so far man?

[rar1015]

I also havent had any other side effects besides that pain i was getting (which is gone now thank god). My back was a little stiff a couple of days ago but not anymore so thats good.

[NightTrain]

so far everything is going well, i think on tuesday when i do chest ane triceps im gona start doing some flat bench again. havent done any since i hurt my shoulder. but i have increased on incline dumbell press with out any pain, so we'll see. i have gained 2.5 pounds as of friday so we are about at the same as far as wieght gained goes.

[rar1015]

Good to hear bro. I'll keep checking out your thread to see how everything goes. Good luck!!

[novastepp]

i took 2.2g of hawthorn berry ED with my pheraplex cycle. i think your supporters are up to par ath this point.

the ball pain... if it had been a hernia you would damn well know it. SWELLING my friend, swelling and pain. you can't miss a hernia. it was probably just discomfort.

now is a better time than ever i guess to ask what your pct looks like.

[rar1015]

i took 2.2g of hawthorn berry ED with my pheraplex cycle. i think your supporters are up to par ath this point.

the ball pain... if it had been a hernia you would damn well know it. SWELLING my friend, swelling and pain. you can't miss a hernia. it was probably just discomfort.

now is a better time than ever i guess to ask what your pct looks like.

Yeah i think it was just discomfort. I was just overreacting.

I already have everything for my pct which looks like this:

nolva-20mgs weeks 1-4
AX's retain
Im also going to continue the use of some of the support supplements.

It seems like a lot of people are starting to experience gyno problems from using novla but i had already had the nolva on hand when i found that out so im going to just keep it at 20mgs ed and add in some letro at .50mgs ed. Im probably going to start the letro before pct though. Let me know what you guys think about this.

[NightTrain]

im interested in the feed back you get RAR, i have the nolva also and its kinda hard for me to get anything else over here and we have started our cycles so........ shit im just gona do it with the nolva and pray all works out fine............

[rar1015]

I was told to get some letro. I would suggest getting it, you can get from ar-r. Im gonna use it just to be safe man.

[rar1015]

Day 6

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today is sunday but i didnt get a chance to get online last night and post my workout for saturday. Anyways, saturday was a cardio day. I ran for 30 minutes and went on the stairmaster for 20 minutes. So far i have no side effects at all. The first two days of the cycle my lower back was a little stiff but im not really getting any back pumps at all. So far everything is working out great. Tonight im going to work my legs and abs so i'll be back later tonight with how that goes.

[rar1015]

Day 7



20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry

Well week one is down and everything is going good. When i weighed myself at the beginning of the cycle i was around 202-203 and tonight i was up to 206 so im up about 4 pounds!!

Today i worked my legs & abbs. To be honest this was the first day i have worked on my legs in a while so i didnt go at it to hard because i dont want to be really sore during this cycle.


Angled leg press-360lbs/12, 360lbs/10, 325lbs/10.
Squats-250lbs/8, 250lbs/6, 225/6.
Seated calf raises-135lbs/12, 135/12, 135lbs/10. After this i had to stop working my leg because i had a horrible muscle spasm in my right calf. It hurt like hell and i had to sit down for like 15 minues before it went away. I basically stopped working my legs and did some abb excersises and went on the elyptical for about 25 minutes.

I think i jinxed myself about the back pumps because im starting to get them just sitting here typing. Damn!!!!!!!!! Oh well sh!t happens.

[NightTrain]

lol........... sorry dude just thought it was funny........

[rar1015]

What's so funny?

[NightTrain]

"I think i jinxed myself about the back pumps because im starting to get them just sitting here typing. Damn!!!!!!!!! Oh well sh!t happens."

just that man, thats all........

[rar1015]

Thats what i figured. I wasnt being a dick........just wondering.

[NightTrain]

its aight bro, well im going for a run.......will post my time in the morning after i get down with chest day.......N'train

[rar1015]

Later man!

[novastepp]

Yeah i think it was just discomfort. I was just overreacting.

I already have everything for my pct which looks like this:

nolva-20mgs weeks 1-4
AX's retain
Im also going to continue the use of some of the support supplements.

It seems like a lot of people are starting to experience gyno problems from using novla but i had already had the nolva on hand when i found that out so im going to just keep it at 20mgs ed and add in some letro at .50mgs ed. Im probably going to start the letro before pct though. Let me know what you guys think about this.

i would tell you to get some clomid in there too. add it at 100mg ED for 3 weeks, and keep nolva at the same for 4 weeks. use teh letro and retain as you were going to previously too.

[rar1015]

i would tell you to get some clomid in there too. add it at 100mg ED for 3 weeks, and keep nolva at the same for 4 weeks. use teh letro and retain as you were going to previously too.

Yeah i was thinking about doing that but we'll see, thanks though.

[rar1015]

Day 8

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Back and biceps

iso lateral low rows-230lbs/12, 230lbs/12, 200lbs/12
iso lateral high rows-250lbs/10, 250lbs/8, 230lbs/8
iso lateral wide pulldown-230lbs/10, 230lbs/8, 230lbs/8
Front lat pulldown-230lbs/8, 200lbs/8, 200lbs/8
upright rows w/ barbell-100lbs/10, 90lbs/10, 90lbs/8

regular curls sitting at an incline-40lbs/12, 40lbs/12, 35lbs/12, 35lbs/12
hammer curls sitting straight up-40lbs/12, 40lbs/12, 35lbs/12, 35lbs/10
barbell curls standing up-70lbs/10, 70lbs/10, 65lbs/10

Tonight was a pretty nice workout. I get so focused now when im working out, its great. I had some pretty nice pumps too. One thing thats kinda bothering me is that im right handed and my right forearm and bicep have always seemed harder and just a little bigger than my left, it sucks but oh well i guess i'll have to work on that. Anyways tomorrow is a cardio day and i still dont have any side effects to report so thats good. Later guys.

[rar1015]

Goddamn my legs are sore from the other day.

[NightTrain]

rar, did you mean back and biceps?

[rar1015]

Wow i cant believe i didnt catch that....thanks man.

[rar1015]

Day 9

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today i got home from work and just passed out. I just woke up and i was going to go to the gym for some cardio but i just decided to take the night off. Im tired as hell from this heat and im just taking it easy tonight. Otherwise, still no side effects and tomorrow im is shoulder day and i'll just do some cardio after tomorrow's workout.

[rar1015]

day 10

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today was shoulder day. Im to tired tonight to type each exercise i did so i'll just give ya quick update. I was doing my exercises and didnt even really notice but i was doing the same weight i did last time just a lot easier (more reps basically) so i put up some more weight and it was great. The strength im getting is starting to go up a lot more. After i was done with shoulders i did some more abb exercises and then some cardio for 30 minutes. Still no side effects and tomorrow is chest and tricep day so i'll be back to update again tomorrow, later. Oh yeah i forgot to add that i weighed in at 208lbs too.

[rar1015]

Somewhere i got mixed up with the days but day 11:


20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto


Chest and Triceps

Tricep pulldown with rope-85/12, 85/12, 80/12
Tricep overhead with db's-80/10, 80/10, 75/8

Flat bench with db's-70/8, 70/7, 65/8, 65,/6
Incline bench with db's-65/8, 65/8, 60/8
decline hammer strength machine-180/8, 180/8, 160/8
Cables-45/10, 45/10, 40/8
I ended the workout with 30 minutes of cardio and my pwo nutrition as normal.

Pretty nice workout tonight. Im tired as hell right now but this cycle is going good so far. It seems like im starting to harden up a but and i personally can see a difference in the mirror already so thats a good thing. I forgot to weigh myself tonight so i will update my weight the next time im at the gym.

[NightTrain]

rar, looking good. i have gone up a total of 5 ponds so far. im really liking this stuff. thinking about tryingout a cycle of SD when i get done with this one and pct and rest, etc...... maybe this winter.... we will see

[rar1015]

Thanks man. I didnt weight myself last night but im up about 5-6lbs too so thats good. A friend of mine has a crap load of sd and i was thinking about doing that for my next cycle just to compare the two. Im not sure when either but i'll do it eventually. Take care bro.

[rar1015]

Day 12

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today i just did another cardio day so not to much to update. Still no side effects yet either.

[rar1015]

Day's 13 & 14

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Well i decided to take the past two days off because i have just been exhausted. I get home from work everynight and just pass out for like 2-3 hours then go to the gym and i just wanted to have a little rest for a bit but i'll be back at it tomorrow. Still no side effects to report.

[rar1015]

Day 15

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Shoulders

Military shoulder press w/ db's-60/10, 60/8, 55/9
Iso lateral shoulder press-130/8, 130/8, 110/8
Standing shoulder shrugs- w/ db's-90/12, 90/12, 85/12,
When i was doing my workout this guy came up to me and showed me an exercise for my shoulders and i could only do it with 25lb db's and had to drop it down to 20lbs. after the first set. I dont know what its called but i sat straight up with my arms up and basically just rolled my arms up and down and it worked pretty good, i liked it a lot. I'll see if i can find out what its called. After i did my shoulders i ended the night with a crap load of sit ups and 30 minutes of cardio.

Anyways when i got to the gym tonight i weighed myself right before i had worked out and believe it or not i was up to 213lbs!!! The last time i weighed myself was about 5-6 days ago and i was at about 208. This is great i feel really good about this cycle still and im still really focused on my workouts. Tomorrow is back and bicep day so i'll see ya guys again tomorrow.

[rar1015]

Ok just a quick update. For the past 2 days i've woke up with a little bloody nose. I didnt think anything of it until it happened again today. Im thinking it could be my blood pressure rising from the pp. What other supplements could i take for this and do you guys think i should maybe have the doctor check it out or wait a couple of days to see if it stops? Im not to worried about it yet but i figured i would ask you guys to get your opinions. Thanks.

[sd-doggg]

celery seed extract 150 mg ed is great for bp, you should also split your doses of all sups am and pm if your not already doing it
your missing 60 mg coQ10 ed. too, red yeast rice and coq10 go hand in hand (RYR depletes the heart of CoQ10) For future cycles i'd suggest looking into a product called cycle support i think its by anabolic innovations??? it contains all the support supps and will save you some dough. As far as the exercise where you roll your arms i dunno possibly arnold presses, but if your only throwing up 20 lbs....

anyway good luck with the resta your cycle bro

[rar1015]

Cool thanks man! Oh yeah i forgot...........yes i split up the supplements from am to pm.

[rar1015]

Day 16

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Back and biceps
iso lateral low rows-235lbs/12, 230lbs/10, 200lbs/10
iso lateral high rows-250lbs/10, 250lbs/8, 230lbs/8
iso lateral wide pulldown-230lbs/10, 230lbs/8, 230lbs/8
Front lat pulldown-230lbs/8, 200lbs/8, 200lbs/8
upright rows w/ barbell-100lbs/10, 90lbs/10, 90lbs/8

Regular curls at an incline-45lbs/12, 45lbs/12, 45lbs/12,
Standing curls w/ barbell-70lbs/10, 70lbs/10, 65lbs/10
Hammer curls-50lbs/8, 50lbs/8, 45lbs/8

I almost didnt go to the gym today but i convinced myself to get up off my ass and just go and im glad i did. I had some pretty awesome pumps tonight. Not to much to report besides that. No side effects besides the bloody nose thing but im not sure if thats the pp yet so we'll see what happens.

[NightTrain]

looks like a pretty good day considering you didnt even want to go..... i think those days almost alwats turn out to be my best days.

[rar1015]

Yep, i agree.

[rar1015]

Day 17

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry
1000mgs-saw palmetto

Today i just took another day off. Im tired as hell right now from work and i didnt get much sleep last night at all. No side effects to report and the bloody nose thing seemed to go away?

[NightTrain]

good to hear about the bloody nose thing going away....

[rar1015]

Day 18

20mgs-pp
1000mgs-milke thistle
1000mgs-niacin
2000mgs-flax seed oil
1200mgs-red yeast rice
1000mgs-hawthorn berry

Chest and triceps

Tonight i weighed in at 212lbs so im down one pound but thatsfine with me. Had an ok workout but i was at the gym for like 2 1/2 hours. I got there and it was just loaded with people you literally had to wait like 5-10 minutes to do anything, it sucked so bad. I have been lately thinking about going back the my old gym that i first started working out at, it a lot smaller but they have everything i need to do my workouts. I just cant stand how friggin packed my gym gets now. Anyways tomorrow im taking a day off so i'll be back on saturday with another update.

[rar1015]

Ok i split my doses of pp and all of the supplements up. I take the first half in the morning and the second half at night. I usually bring everything with me to work in my bag and just keep it in my desk but today i forgot it at work. Do you guys think it would be a big deal to miss a dose of everything and just pick up agian tomorrow where i left off. Im not to worried about it but i figured i would ask just to make sure. Thanks guys