Avid Lifter with low test, only 19 - Whats going to happen?

[CoreyTampa09]

UPDATE




Hey guys. Ill try to sum this up so you guys can offer some advice, help or things I should be looking for in the future. Heres the storyy....

I was always a chunky kid but never stopped me from playing sports and such. Yes I ate horribly as a child and yes it can to the point where I knew I had to do something. At age 16 going into my junior year I knew I had to do something. I was only 5'6 215 and extremely overweight. I had a 38 inch waist and tits larger than most females. Without any knowledge I did the more sensible things. No more night eating, no junk food, salads, chicken, rice. By the beginning of Junior year and 6 months later I got down to a scrawny but yet still soft 165, 5'10. My confidence was sky high and I enjoyed the last 2 years of my HS life to the fullest, it was never a better time. At around 17 1/2 I started lifting. It was the time when me and my four best friends decided to get big. Little by little one dwindled off and I remained becoming more knowledgabe about diet, training and considered it my carreer I loved it so much. It became my job, I realized I never wanted to become the fat out of shape kid I was so I maintained a great diet with the help of this site, running and lifting 6 days a week. I now stand at 5'11, 185 and much much stronger from where I started, without slim to none bodyhair. Except one thing didnt match up. My strength didnt match up to my body. It just didnt make sense, My diet is remarkable im doing hours of cardio a day with balanced lifting but yet, I cant shed this feminine fat around the parts of my body. I screw up one night and im set back for weeks. Then I noticed a change in my mood and my parents and friends can also sense it as well. My personality is crazy one with complete randomness, sparatic outbursts and just anything to get somebody to laugh. But it intensfied, I noticed I just wasnt the same. With all of the knowledge I gained from this site I knew there had to be something wrong with me and my body. I put so much effort into it and Im just not achieving the results I should be getting.So I got some bloodwork done and low and behold my testosterone levels were very low. Then it struck me, i did some research and everything that Hypogondasm describes is me. I got referred to an endocrinologist and just a few days ago I had more extensive blood work done to see whats the problem. My endocrinologist said I might have to go on TRT or some type of testosterone or hormone replacement to get me back to normal. Quite frankly im extatic, I cant wait to see the difference that are going to occur. I feel as if Ive been living and battling the bulge handicapped for many years now, and finally want to see how life is going to be with normal test levels.

Now heres my question guys. With my age and avid lifting and diet and as a devoted college student studying pre-med, what realistic changes can I possibly expect from all of this. Will it be dramatic, slight or nothing at all.

Thank You all for your time and help and hope to read what all of you vets have to say.

[jpkman]

First of all...CONGRATS...on the changes you made already even with having the low hormone levels...I can relate to a point cept i'm almost twice your age...I probably battled with low T for a long time without knowing...so consider yourself lucky that you found out now and smart for doing something about it. I sounds like you have all your ducks in a row already and you just need a little help with this minor set back just like any other health problem someone might encounter.
I think you will definately have dramatic results and feel better and enjoy the bestest health if that's a word...LOL
wish u the best

[CoreyTampa09]

Thank you very much. When you found out and finally got tested for low test. How did they start you up, and if I have an option on which way to take test which would you reccomend. Will acne, hairloss and infertility be an issue? If so Im not going to take a chance and will head to the sperm back immediately

[jpkman]

Thank you very much. When you found out and finally got tested for low test. How did they start you up, and if I have an option on which way to take test which would you reccomend. Will acne, hairloss and infertility be an issue? If so Im not going to take a chance and will head to the sperm back immediately
good concerns....i haven't had any probs with acne or hairloss on the short time i have been on TRT which consists of about 2 months of androgel then the last 2 months on test cyp and fertility was talked about in the beginning...they asked me if i want kids and i said i already had a brood of 4 so i'd rather have the meds....so I never really followed up on if you become completely infertile forever...so I'll bump it for more experience

[Spyke]

Hey Corey. I am 34 and I think I was in the same boat as you when younger but just didn't know it. I could literally go a month without shaving and just grow hair on my chin. Was always tired, cranky and my skin just didn't look like a man's skin, if you know what I mean.

When I got back into lifting a couple years ago I started hearing about test levels etc and about 6 months ago I got tested. I was real low. Now I am on 150mg test cyp each week. I have lost alot of fat and packed on some nice muscle too. Getting close to actually being able to grow a beard (if I wanted one). Sex drive is amazing and I have a little "edge" to my personallity after years of being way too laid back.

Everything I read says TRT will not make you infertile. But at your age having a couple deposits at the sperm bank as an insurance policy may not be a bad idea. I have a vasectomy so this was never an issue. Dont worry about the sides too much.

Your doc should have you on weekly injections. (my first endo wanted me on 150mg of enth every 3 weeks!) and be willing to add things like hcg and arimidex to the program. If not find a different doc or use Oasis! It is going to be fine for you. Stay on this site and you will learn a ton. HRT is a pain in the ass at first but after a while it is no big deal and the benefits far outweigh the negatives.

[CoreyTampa09]

Wow thank you Spyke. The one thing that is going to be a potential problem for me in the near future is that Im leaving to go back to college on the 23rd. My bloodwork should come in by either monday or tuesday and then my endo is going on vacation for a week, but most likely I will start before then. Im hoping I will not be put on the androgel as I hear it isnt as effective. But if she sends me with a supply of the shots that will last me to thanksgiving it could defintaley work.

About my personality I wouldnt say Im laid back, im quite eccentric and actually known for my spontaenity (bad spelling) among all my friends. Im the first one in the group to get up and do something crazy. But I can definately agree with my agression and quick outbursts. Yeah I mean man skin...I guess I lack it if your talking about scruff becuase god knows I only have to shave every other thursday for the weekend when I go out.

About the fat loss, im curious if you noticed it around all the feminie spots, the spots that kinda give you a womans shape, lower love handles, lower gut, chest and lower back. Basically when all the fat went away did you get a more V shaped man like body. Becuase this is my downfall. Im pretty darn strong I think but My V is so overshadowed by my lower fat deposits which to many arent that bad, but to me, you can imagine is horrible. Im currently a 33/34 inch waist and hoping when I start getting these shots and hitting the gym even harder I can actually attain a lead midection as well as a more lean overall physique.

Thank you Spyke for your input as you seem very enthusiastic about this whole procedure.

[Spyke]

My fat areas were pretty much the belly and love handles. I wouldn't say I had a female shape just not much of a V shape.

It takes some time to work all this out. Dont give up. I went to 3 docs before finding one who knows this stuff. I would say run away from any doc who wants to put you on androgel 5's or injections less then once a week.

[CoreyTampa09]

I see. Well Its going to be tough considering the circumstances. These injections. I know this depends on everyones test levels, but average how much and how often does one do these injections for how long. Do you feel the therapy helped get rid of your deposits?

[Spyke]

A typical HRT program seems to be between 100-200mg of test per week. They are done every week of your life until the put you in the ground. True HRT is not cycled. Dont let this scare you. At this point it takes me more time to brush my teeth then to do my once a week injection.

I have lost fat and gained muscle and I am alot happier with how I look. But I still have a way to go. HRT is not magic, so diet and workouts are still the most important thing.

[Spyke]

BTW what were your levels?

[CoreyTampa09]

Well I didnt get the full results back yet from my Endo, but the bloodwork that I got done which revealed I had low test said I had 34 test free when the normal range was 50-210. Thats where further tests were needed. Ill have my bloodwork for you either tommrow or tuesday.

[CoreyTampa09]

Great, got the bloodwork back and my endo said its still inclusive. She said shes almost 90percent sure its not testicular. Now I have to get a prescription to get an MRI for my head, take more bloodwork tommrow to check out the chromosomes and also give a sperm sample. This just absolutely sucks.

[jpkman]

i did the mri...they're just checkin to see if pituitary is fine...i didn't have to offer up any tadpoles...anybody know sup with that?

[Ufa]

i did the mri...they're just checkin to see if pituitary is fine...i didn't have to offer up any tadpoles...anybody know sup with that?

You sound like some Big Daddy's Doctor's meal ticket. ching cha ching $$

[jpkman]

You sound like some Big Daddy's Doctor's meal ticket. ching cha ching $$
i'm good for a while...been poked and prodded enough for 2006 :lol:

[CoreyTampa09]

Yeah I dont know either. If im guessing correctly or just basically understanding what Ive been reading on this, more than likely I have secondarm hypondasm. Of course other things can attribute to this that later tests might reveal, but this is what Im going on for now.

[CoreyTampa09]

Well my MRI on my pituitary went fine thank god. I also got my revised blood work back and here it is.

FSH - 2.0

LH - 2.2

Total Testosterone - 282

Free Testosterone
Test% Free - 1.7
Testosterone Free - 50.5

With me saying ok I am going to be going on Test shots at 200mg for 10 weeks. Do you think this is a good decision or should have I went with the gel or nothing at all. I heard the gel is worse with hairloss.

[Ufa]

Well my MRI on my pituitary went fine thank god. I also got my revised blood work back and here it is.

FSH - 2.0

LH - 2.2

Total Testosterone - 282

Free Testosterone
Test% Free - 1.7
Testosterone Free - 50.5

With me saying ok I am going to be going on Test shots at 200mg for 10 weeks. Do you think this is a good decision or should have I went with the gel or nothing at all. I heard the gel is worse with hairloss.

Is that 200 mg per week? If so that is about tops, most Doc's won't
go over 200. Shots are best. Gel's aromatize into estrogen. You
should feel better almost instantly.

[CoreyTampa09]

no, 200 every 2 weeks. She said it will bring me into the middle range. On another forum they told me bad bad bad, but I dont see how anything too bad can come out of this.

Ufa, what do you think I can expect from this physically and mentally. Will this help me achieve a better physique over all as I continually bust my ass if youve read the 1st message in this post. Im quite excited actually to feel a change in my life.

[Spyke]

Injectable test can and will aromatize into estrogen too. Your doc should be willing to give you something like arimidex if it becomes an issue for you. 200mg ew is a pretty big starting dose for HRT. If it is every 2 weeks then that is not good. You would be better off doing 100mg per week so your levels stay more even. Keep in mind the half lfe for injectable test is only like 7 days or so.

What happens after 10 weeks? Are the gonna run labs again and make changes as needed?

[Spyke]

Corey are you doing the injections yourself?

[CoreyTampa09]

After 10 weeks, I will probally go for more bloodwork and see where I stand. Im getting the prescription for the test and syringes. Either I can do it myself or go to my school nurse and they will probally give it to me.

What and how would Arimidex benefit me?
200 she said would bring me into the middle of normal range
If I were to do 100 a week, would I be able to control that myself?

Thank you for posting in my thread Spyke and everyone else. Im kinda nervous about all of this and want to make sure im not destroying my body.

[Spyke]

If you are doing this yourself, just shoot 100mg per week. I just go to Walgreens and buy syringes. No script needed for 20 or less at one time. They are dirt cheap too. Trust me this would be much better and you are not really going against the dr's wishes.

There is no way for her to know where 100 mg per week will bring you. Everyone is different and that is why they do labs at 10 weeks. Most hrt docs will try to take you to the upper quarter of normal not the middle. It is important that she treat the patient and not just the numbers.

The body does convert test into estrogen, so as your test levels go up so will your estrogen. Arimidex and other anti estrogen drugs control this so you don't start to retain water and grow breasts. Also after about 10 weeks your nuts will shrink. She should be willing to add in some hcg to keep them nice and plump.

[CoreyTampa09]

Well do I ask her for the anti estrogen or can I pick that up over the counter myself?

[Spyke]

you can ask her or just click on the word estrogen in your post

[jpkman]

Corey, let us know what your endo says or does when you inquire about the estrogen. My doc would only reccomend an over the counter estro blocker even with my estro levels going thru the roof on blood work he ordered.

And while I'm at it...anybody else have gotten a prescription from their regular family, endo, uro for 'dex? or did you have to go through a internet doctor?

[Teabagger]

Sorry I have not replied sooner, I invited you to pm me, I got it, and then have been pretty busy...again sorry bro. I have read the posts from Spyke, Jpkman and some of the others and they are giving you good advice. I will just reinforce what they have already said and maybe add some.

Acne: you may or may not have some...its different for everyone, but personal hygiene is even more important when you're taking test. The test will increase the amount of oil your glands produce so you have to keep your skin clean. I would shower 2 times per day, in the am and then in the pm. Keep your face clean and if you have a habit of touching your face with your hands...stop it...your hand are filthy. Otherwise you probably won't have an issue and if you do, over the counter topicals usually handle it.

Hair loss: Won't happen...from the test...so forget about it.

Liver: Everything we put in our bodies passes through our liver, it is a master filter. The test will put some additional stress on your liver, soooo....if you drink alcohol...stop. At a minimum restrict your intake to a couple of beers per week. If you drink alot, regularly, like most college kids do you're asking for serious trouble with your liver. Recreational drugs....no no, nada, stop...period. We all get sore from working out, or have an injury from lifting or playing....do not take the NSAID's (ibuprophen, naprosyn, etc...) on a regular basis. Only take them if you are seriously hurting and can't sleep or something like that. They are rough on the liver, as well as tylenol.

Diet: Sounds like you're up on this. Test can cause an increase in LDL therefore watch the fats closely. Drink lots of water for the kidneys, and keep the sodium low because of water retention from test.

Injection or Gel: Personal preferance only. The gel is applied 1x per day. As the guys said, injections are best 1x weekly. If the doc prescribes 200mg 1x every 2 weeks, divide that into 100mg injections 1x per week. If you choose not to shoot yourself...at least have them teach you how and do it yourself every so often...you may find times when you can't get to the nurse and you don't want to screw with the schedule...consistency is very important in timing as well.

Fertility: Some say long term TRT will eventually make you sterile. Actually high doses of test is what they are experimenting with as a male contraceptive. At any rate, many TRT docs will have young guys that may want to have children in the future to take a break from test every 5 to 6 months for a month to six weeks. Do alot of your own research and draw a conclusion. But as was mentioned....making a deposit at a sperm bank is not a bad idea for a young guy...I would...if I didn't already have one daughter in college, (bleeding me dry) and my son getting ready to got to college next year!!:lol:

Physical effects: They will be good....hell...they will be great!! You'll gain strength, increase mass, decrease body fat, and have hard ons that at cat couldn't scratch:lol: It'll all be good and you'll be very happy. Test can increase your blood pressure, so monitor that cause your BP can be dangerously high and you won't know it without taking a reading.

Prostate gland: Normally you are too young to have this checked, but with test it is a necessary evil. Have the digital (finger up the butt) and the PSA (bloodtest) at least annual. If you ever notice your pee stream is getting weak, or you have to go alot, but don't pee that much out, or it is painful when you pee or cum, have it checked immediatley. Also lower back pain can be an indicator of an enlarged prostate as well. It is almost always what is called benign prostate enlargement and is no biggie and can be treated but you also want to be sure that you're not the one in like 100,000 guys under 30 that get prostate cancer. Caught early it is almost always curable. Don't worry about it...just be aware.

Mental effects: These will be more subtle, but generally people report a better sense of well being, better concentration, memory, etc...Roid rage is a myth in my opinion. If you are predisposed to be an asshole...you'll become a bigger asshole. If you're laid back, you'll still be laid back but maybe a little more aggressive...not in a bad way...just a manly way.

Additional medications: Wait for your 10 week follow up labs. Make sure your doc is not just getting your test levels...get your estradoil as well. It may not become an issue, even us men need estrogen, but if it does become an issue your doc and prescribe for it. Nut shrinkage is gonna happen. The use of HCG is only a temporary fix because with long term use it stops being effective. So just get used to having small balls...your sack doesn't shrink, just the balls. No biggie...they will just be easier for a chick to fit in her mouth!!:lol: (Damn I should remember how old you are...sorry...just trying to keep things light.)

Research: Very important to do for yourself. Remember...you are responsible for the quality of care and treatment you receive, and by educating yourself throughly, you can be more assured you're a partner in your own health care. This site and board are great resources....read, read, and read. Then read some more to keep up with new stuff that is happening.

Sidenote: If you choose to inject yourself do it exactly like they teach you. Do not ever, and I mean ever, take a short cut in the process to save a second or two. Prepare the injection exactly as instructed, prepare the injection site exactly as they instruct, inject only in the areas they specify, and always, always aspirate. Then properly dispose of the needle in an approved sharps container properly marked as biohazard.

OK young man, this post is long enough as it is. Hope this has helped answer some of your questions and eased some of your fears. Keep us all posted because each of us here do care....Good luck...happy growing.

[jpkman]

Sorry I have not replied sooner, I invited you to pm me, I got it, and then have been pretty busy...again sorry bro. I have read the posts from Spyke, Jpkman and some of the others and they are giving you good advice. I will just reinforce what they have already said and maybe add some.

Acne: you may or may not have some...its different for everyone, but personal hygiene is even more important when you're taking test. The test will increase the amount of oil your glands produce so you have to keep your skin clean. I would shower 2 times per day, in the am and then in the pm. Keep your face clean and if you have a habit of touching your face with your hands...stop it...your hand are filthy. Otherwise you probably won't have an issue and if you do, over the counter topicals usually handle it.

Hair loss: Won't happen...from the test...so forget about it.

Liver: Everything we put in our bodies passes through our liver, it is a master filter. The test will put some additional stress on your liver, soooo....if you drink alcohol...stop. At a minimum restrict your intake to a couple of beers per week. If you drink alot, regularly, like most college kids do you're asking for serious trouble with your liver. Recreational drugs....no no, nada, stop...period. We all get sore from working out, or have an injury from lifting or playing....do not take the NSAID's (ibuprophen, naprosyn, etc...) on a regular basis. Only take them if you are seriously hurting and can't sleep or something like that. They are rough on the liver, as well as tylenol.

Diet: Sounds like you're up on this. Test can cause an increase in LDL therefore watch the fats closely. Drink lots of water for the kidneys, and keep the sodium low because of water retention from test.

Injection or Gel: Personal preferance only. The gel is applied 1x per day. As the guys said, injections are best 1x weekly. If the doc prescribes 200mg 1x every 2 weeks, divide that into 100mg injections 1x per week. If you choose not to shoot yourself...at least have them teach you how and do it yourself every so often...you may find times when you can't get to the nurse and you don't want to screw with the schedule...consistency is very important in timing as well.

Fertility: Some say long term TRT will eventually make you sterile. Actually high doses of test is what they are experimenting with as a male contraceptive. At any rate, many TRT docs will have young guys that may want to have children in the future to take a break from test every 5 to 6 months for a month to six weeks. Do alot of your own research and draw a conclusion. But as was mentioned....making a deposit at a sperm bank is not a bad idea for a young guy...I would...if I didn't already have one daughter in college, (bleeding me dry) and my son getting ready to got to college next year!!:lol:

Physical effects: They will be good....hell...they will be great!! You'll gain strength, increase mass, decrease body fat, and have hard ons that at cat couldn't scratch:lol: It'll all be good and you'll be very happy. Test can increase your blood pressure, so monitor that cause your BP can be dangerously high and you won't know it without taking a reading.

Prostate gland: Normally you are too young to have this checked, but with test it is a necessary evil. Have the digital (finger up the butt) and the PSA (bloodtest) at least annual. If you ever notice your pee stream is getting weak, or you have to go alot, but don't pee that much out, or it is painful when you pee or cum, have it checked immediatley. Also lower back pain can be an indicator of an enlarged prostate as well. It is almost always what is called benign prostate enlargement and is no biggie and can be treated but you also want to be sure that you're not the one in like 100,000 guys under 30 that get prostate cancer. Caught early it is almost always curable. Don't worry about it...just be aware.

Mental effects: These will be more subtle, but generally people report a better sense of well being, better concentration, memory, etc...Roid rage is a myth in my opinion. If you are predisposed to be an asshole...you'll become a bigger asshole. If you're laid back, you'll still be laid back but maybe a little more aggressive...not in a bad way...just a manly way.

Additional medications: Wait for your 10 week follow up labs. Make sure your doc is not just getting your test levels...get your estradoil as well. It may not become an issue, even us men need estrogen, but if it does become an issue your doc and prescribe for it. Nut shrinkage is gonna happen. The use of HCG is only a temporary fix because with long term use it stops being effective. So just get used to having small balls...your sack doesn't shrink, just the balls. No biggie...they will just be easier for a chick to fit in her mouth!!:lol: (Damn I should remember how old you are...sorry...just trying to keep things light.)

Research: Very important to do for yourself. Remember...you are responsible for the quality of care and treatment you receive, and by educating yourself throughly, you can be more assured you're a partner in your own health care. This site and board are great resources....read, read, and read. Then read some more to keep up with new stuff that is happening.
Sidenote: If you choose to inject yourself do it exactly like they teach you. Do not ever, and I mean ever, take a short cut in the process to save a second or two. Prepare the injection exactly as instructed, prepare the injection site exactly as they instruct, inject only in the areas they specify, and always, always aspirate. Then properly dispose of the needle in an approved sharps container properly marked as biohazard.

OK young man, this post is long enough as it is. Hope this has helped answer some of your questions and eased some of your fears. Keep us all posted because each of us here do care....Good luck...happy growing.

Great post TB...I highlighted a couple of my personal favorites...

Best of luck Corey....as you can see you got ppl here that care...be hearing from you.

jpkman

[Ufa]

Corey, let us know what your endo says or does when you inquire about the estrogen. My doc would only reccomend an over the counter estro blocker even with my estro levels going thru the roof on blood work he ordered.

And while I'm at it...anybody else have gotten a prescription from their regular family, endo, uro for 'dex? or did you have to go through a internet doctor?

When my estro was 257 I faxed the lab work to Doc and asked for
an aromatase inhibitor. They had to perscribe it. When it ran out
I asked my Reg Doc for a 90 day with 3 refils. No problem.
Dosage 1 mg per day. However, now it's .5. Somehow I think the
Deca has an influence by decreasing test. My E-2 was only 15.

[Ufa]

PS. They perscribed some funky stuff first. chryslin (spelling)
tossed the crap.

[jpkman]

i get new bloodwork soon....it's going to refelct being on test 200mg/EW and deca 150mg/EW....and i'll post test and estro levels here or a new post...i am very curious of the results as first time using deca
I checked my insurance/prescrip coverage...if i can get 'dex prescribed...CHEAP!

[Ufa]

Mine was only about thirty bucks for 90 pills. Saved six or seven hundred
dollars. I don't think you are going to need dex because of the Deca, it
will zap your test levels down to about 500 area. You won't have the
extreme test levels aromatazing into estro. I could be wrong but seriously
has that ever been the case. ha! ha!

[jpkman]

Mine was only about thirty bucks for 90 pills. Saved six or seven hundred
dollars. I don't think you are going to need dex because of the Deca, it
will zap your test levels down to about 500 area. You won't have the
extreme test levels aromatazing into estro. I could be wrong but seriously
has that ever been the case. ha! ha!
you better know your shiat...
they don't let just anybody open their own lab:lol:

[powerliftmike]

Thank you very much. When you found out and finally got tested for low test. How did they start you up, and if I have an option on which way to take test which would you reccomend. Will acne, hairloss and infertility be an issue? If so Im not going to take a chance and will head to the sperm back immediately

Hairloss is only an issue if you are predisposed. And since you are just doing a replacement dose, I wouldnt worry about it. Acne, and esp oily skin, are likely but nothing out of control. My acne improves on test actually (over off cycle). No need to worry about infertility if you are doing TRT under a MD. What ppl dont realize is that taking exogenous testosterone can raise your sperm count. But in order for this to happen you need to titrate the dose exactly. BBs and athletes use way more test than needed to achieve this, and so it has the opposite effect. Your doc will get you squared away with the dose.

[CoreyTampa09]

This is a question that I dont know if you guys will be able to answer but Ill throw it out there anyway. My body sucks at processing foods. It seems as if when I eat a meal that is slightly off that isnt even horribly out of my macros my body freaks out and puts on weight like its crazy. With these test injections will my body be able not to take everythng and covert it to fat or will I have a tad more leadway in putting on LBM.

[jpkman]

Testosterone is supposed to play a big role in the distribution of central fat and metabolism.
You just seem to be one of the many folks with the metabolism that doesn't allow for too many of these off diet days. Keep weaning yourself towards a tighter diet in addition to your hormone replacement I would be looking for some great results.

[CoreyTampa09]

Awsome man I cant wait! Finally maybe I will lose that bit of a girlish figure with my little lovehandles and back fat that makes me look like I have an ennormous ass.

[jpkman]

We can tell you are anxious to start your therapy...I have only been on TRT for around 4 months now...diet still not in check, so I still battle with a similar problem you keep mentioning with the centralized fat...but I've been able to add strenghth and LBM....MY OWN FAULT with the ab/oblique area....but if you're 90% clean, then you're ahead of me, but still room to improve.
Always improve, always add weight, you'll do fine.

[CoreyTampa09]

Yeah my diet is spot on. I eat 49 meals a week, 3 are bad and one meal i know i shouldnt do this is replaced by 3-5 alcoholic drinks.

At school its more disgusting to keep the diet in check but easier with the infiniite amt of egg whites, cottage cheese and turkey deli meat. Will I be gaining a significant amt of weight, and where at most? I dont know if I want to gain so much weight considering outfitting clothes is not an option lol.

[Spyke]

Corey is there a health center at your school where you could get you BF% right now? I mean a place where a professional will measure it.

I would love to see exactly how it changes in the next 4 -6 months. Scales wont really tell us much. So if you loose 10lbs of fat and gain 10lbs of muscle you wont really know exactly how you did.

[CoreyTampa09]

well I can kinda figure it out by how I appear in the mirror as well as if my jeans loosen a bit and my shirts fit me a bit more full. I dont have a digital camera but when I get to school I will take a pic from then aug 26th and probally a pic once I head back from my fall semester dec 15th. Im going to be lean bulking. Ive been on 1900-2200 this whole summer and have lost a bit of fat while putting on some good size. Come fall I will be consuming 2600-3000 so it wont be to much of a serious bulk but I figure with the shots alot of it that normally wouldve been converted to fat wont be this time around. Ill be taking pretty much no supplements besides the CEE I started last week(I love it) and my fish and flax oil pills with my pro/fat meals.

Its going to be pretty damn hard to take in 2600 cals on just hardboiled eggs,veggies,salad with olive oil,cottage cheese, cafeteria turkey meat,protein whey,tuna and oatmeal. Normally at home it would be 8oz of chicken but now its gunna be something like 10 hardboiled eggs with each meal more than twice a day....barf. But hey I gotta do what I gotta do.I look at it like this from everywhere I heard you will gain wait through TRT, and since ive been restricting cals and im still sitting at 180 and havent been able to budge, there is no way im coming home anything less than maybe a few pennies of 2 bucks.

[jpkman]

yes...i wished i had got my BF% b4 starting the TRT...always too scared to hear somebody tell me I'm 20%...DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT...BLHA BLAH BLAH...I'M NOT LISTENING..LOL
I did have it done a few years back and the trainer said 18%, but I think i coersed him into saying that :)
well, this is your thread corey...so back to you...IMO, the way you described how you lost weight and then got back up to 185 but with the stubborn central fat....I think if you use the prescribed test you will prolly gain a few pounds of Lean and Drop a few pounds of the fat....You could see the weight stay the same like spyke stated because your losing fat but gaining muscle. You'll move the weight upstairs where you want it!.....It is gradual with these replacement doses....but I think that is better for anyone on TRT anyway.
when are you getting your script anyway...i forgot?

[CoreyTampa09]

got it today, im going to the endo for my first 200 mg injection every 2 weeks. I will talk to her about the dosing once a week and a possible anti estrogen becuase personally my tits are big enough lol. I just look at it like this, it seems as if ive been training and battling the bulge handicapped this entire time. Lets see what real damage I can do in the gym and with my mental focus when im just a bit more regular.

[jpkman]

got it today, im going to the endo for my first 200 mg injection every 2 weeks. I will talk to her about the dosing once a week and a possible anti estrogen becuase personally my tits are big enough lol. I just look at it like this, it seems as if ive been training and battling the bulge handicapped this entire time. Lets see what real damage I can do in the gym and with my mental focus when im just a bit more regular.
I like your positive attitued bro....same thing happened to me...I was supposed to pick up the script and then make an appt. to have my endo shoot it.....having that shiat in my greedy little low T makin hands wasn't waitin....got my own(not telling you to do this) pins...called my friend and researched hear...gave myself my first shot the next day :7up:
since then I used up the whole bottle :lol: they never asked where I was...and i had the nerve to call for a refill....i didn't think they would but they said we'll send one refill but you need to make an appt. I did do the follow up bloodwork and had it sent to them in between the two bottles and the results were good(everything was in range-test not too high-something like 550) right where he wants it....so I saved a couple of copays (now are $45 :(
Get with your endo for your first at least tho bro....you might get shakey...just because I'm a loose cannon :aaGreen22
We'll be looking for your great results man....Later

[CoreyTampa09]

Dude im not gunna lie I barely understand your post. I think its something like you couldnt wait for your endo to give you the test so you got ur own and did ur own injections.

Im gunna do what she tells me, go for my first shot tommrow ask about anti E-s and also as about switching the dose to 100 every 7 days. Ill keep you all updated.

Also one other thing. Im not too fond of needles at all, i cringe when I get any blood taken, are these needles painful and will I bruise and be in paid for the days to follow or are they ok?

[Spyke]

Yeah I shot myself first time too. As long as you aspirate and dont see blood you are fine.

You will not be in pain for days or anything. Sometimes I feel a little sore around the site but it is way less the DOMS following a hard workout. Injection is basically painless.

If you really hate needles you could ask for a script for androgel 10's. Might even be better then 200mg every 2 weeks.

[jpkman]

yeh, that was it...i never wanted to go in for the shots...too easy and i'm not going to wait in lobby every time i need a shot nor can i afford to pay....
man, 23 guage in glutes is all i do and never had any more pain than a little poke like when your a kid gettin a shot...and now that i took the bros advice here and pulled the test out with one syringe then threw that needle a way and replaced with another needle from the other syringe it's even easier....hardly even noticable...cuz the pin gets dull even from going into the vial...you AINT gonna have NO problems with it bro

[CoreyTampa09]

I got shot in the ass today....literally. Well guys I got my needle in the butt and it friggin hurt for a bit but im all good now. I get my next one in 2 weeks from today. She told me the Anti E would counteract the the test and I should not take it. Ill keep all of you guys updated.

[Spyke]

I got shot in the ass today....literally. Well guys I got my needle in the butt and it friggin hurt for a bit but im all good now. I get my next one in 2 weeks from today. She told me the Anti E would counteract the the test and I should not take it. Ill keep all of you guys updated.


Get a new doctor. She is retarded if she actually said that.

[CoreyTampa09]

Spyke dont know if its gunna be that easy. I mean is it normal for all patients on TRT at my age with my bloodwork back to go on an anti E as well? I mean I would conisder getting my own anti E whether its OTC or prescribed but is it all that neccessary.

[jpkman]

Corey at that dose, IMO it might not be necessary BUT...that was a dumb thing for her to say because anti E's BOOST testosterone....arimidex alone can possibly boost test as much as the dose of test you're on. When you go for your next bloodwork make sure you get her to check off estrogen(estradiol) on the paperwork(bloodwork script).
This i would demand....I had to demand it from the endo who wrote my script for test injects....he didn't think it was necessary either....they are partners in our healthcare not OUR bosses.
we'll be looking for your great results...congrats on your first shot!

[perpetualstudent]

Normally I do not throw my two cents into threads... to be honest this is the first time I have ever posted on this site.

However, Corey, I believe that I can offer you a small nugget of scientifically based information that will help you out a bit.

This site is unparalleled in respect to its bulk of information on anabolic steroids geared towards a layman audience. However, there are many posts that contain unsubstantiated opinions on hormonal activity and enzyme kinetics (e.g. half lives, binding affinities, etc.). You need to be able to separate the good advice from the potentially harmful advice.

I am pursuing a doctorate in the medical profession myself. I have a bachelor of science in biology/chemistry, and have already been in grad school for 2 yrs now...

After extensive training in endocrinology and physiology, I can tell you this: When it comes to your own body, you should know as much about your situation as your doctor so that you can anticipate/confirm/reject his reccomendations. Doctors are only human and are capable of giving bad advice.

You will have to get used to reading very complicated and detailed literature if you stick with your current path of education. It is vital. Why not begin right now with this very subject? You should search for peer-reviewed, statistically valid research papers and read about TRT until you want to shoot yourself in the face. There are thousands of articles available through your school library's website, via databases such as PubMed, Ebsco, etc...

The info you find will be current, scientifically tested, and reviewed by dozens of specialists from many universities.

Not to say that this forum is not helpful, the advice you have received on this thread is excellent, especially from Spyke and jpkman. But be wary about what you read from others.

If you are going to be a doctor one day... when it comes to your ballsack, your body, your man-titties, your hormonal profile.... YOU SHOULD SEEK THE TRUTH. You should use this site for general information, but when you see a contradiction between posts the latest professional literature should be the judge.

Here is my nugget:
Aromatase inhibitors, such as Anastrozole and Letrozole, WILL stimulate an increase in serum testosterone levels. I will spare you the details as I have already rambled enough. If you want to read a six-page (.pdf) study on the subject I will email it to you.

Also... definitely look into self-administration. You can save yourself time & money. You can also divide the prescription into weekly does as previously mentioned. Intra-muscular injections are very safe if done correctly. If you need advice on how to do it, let me know. (If you are gonna be a doc... might as well practice on the old injection technique a little.)

As far as the results you are going to see... My Lord, you have no idea. With your anabolic/low fat diet and work ethic... normal to slightly elevated testosterone levels will utterly change your entire body. I would even suggest maybe finding some supplemental test-enanthate to adjust your dosage as you become more educated on sex-hormone physiology and metabolism. One day you will be able to prescribe to yourself. Just please be wary of what you are doing to your liver. NEVER elevate your testosterone levels above normal for long periods of time. No matter what anyone tells you... it CAN kill you. Everybody's liver is different, you might be unlucky and have a weak one.

Sorry for the length. I hope this inspires you to seek medically-oriented knowledge. You have thus far been blessed by posts from knowledgeable people who seem to really be concerned with your successes. Good luck with all of it. In a couple months you will be a happy guy, I have no doubt. Go buy an endocrinology or physiology book and get a head start on your first year of med school. Take it from a 24-yr old who was in your shoes not long ago.

[perpetualstudent]

Please disregard all that you just read in the above post. I can't even spell "recommendations" correctly, so therefore I am worthless. My advice is about as useful to you as a brothel of virgins would be to Richard Simmons.
(female virgins that is)

Gudenite kiynde peepul.

[Spyke]

Please disregard all that you just read in the above post. I can't even spell "recommendations" correctly, so therefore I am worthless. My advice is about as useful to you as a brothel of virgins would be to Richard Simmons.
(female virgins that is)

Gudenite kiynde peepul.

Wierd post....

[Teabagger]

I take particular exception to several areas of his post...He talks alot about his supposed educational credentials, casts doubt on the knowledge of posters here except 2, offers nothing to back up his claim...and his "nuggest" of advice is so well known a 6th grader in sex ed class would probably have figured that out on his own.

Then he posts a second post...wtf was up with that?? He pretty much acted as a parrot here...ignore him...

[Spyke]

The second post contained some great info as well. I would have never guessed that Richard Simmons is not into chicks.

Thanks for the heads up!

[perpetualstudent]

I take particular exception to several areas of his post...He talks alot about his supposed educational credentials, casts doubt on the knowledge of posters here except 2, offers nothing to back up his claim...and his "nuggest" of advice is so well known a 6th grader in sex ed class would probably have figured that out on his own.

Then he posts a second post...wtf was up with that?? He pretty much acted as a parrot here...ignore him...

No offense, but I was not trying to discredit you or anyone else on this thread. The kid has gotten great advice thus far. I was just trying to encourage him to be wary of some of the posters on this site who do not give quality advice. A lot of advice here is excellent (almost everything that comes from long-time members), but some idiots will write anything. In his line of education, he will have access to the latest and best research, and I wanted to encourage him to seek the truth if he ever encountered a discrepancy. I am educated more than most, but just because I am in training to be a doctor does not mean that I am too pompous to acknowledge that there are many members who know a lot more than I do.

My claim about aromatase-inhibition is backed up by dozens of randomized controlled trials conducted with a double blind/placebo design. But that doesn't matter because as you implied, it is pretty much common knowledge on this forum.

To be honest, there is a lot of information on this site dealing with practical advice on how hormones affect your body that is better than what he could find in most research (intensity of side effects, dosage regimens in stacking, etc.). But there is also a lot of detailed, useful information available from medical research on other aspects of hormone therapy. All of us should utilize both. Learning is a life-long process and I am sure you agree.

I assure you that I meant no ill-will with my original post. People who take the time to post good advice help a lot of newcomers to this lifestyle. This site is a beautiful thing that has saved a lot of people from making costly mistakes.

As you can see, I don't post much, and after this response I probably will not post again. Please accept my apology and I will not post/parrot on this thread again. Good luck with everything, Corey and everyone else. Especially you, Teabagger, I was not trying to step on your toes or accuse you of supplying anything other than quality advice. Just warning Corey to watch out for the few bad apples who type bulls$#t.

[Mobligator]

I got shot in the ass today....literally. Well guys I got my needle in the butt and it friggin hurt for a bit but im all good now. I get my next one in 2 weeks from today. She told me the Anti E would counteract the the test and I should not take it. Ill keep all of you guys updated.

Corey, I coudn't pass up replying to this one and I would second what spyke and jpkman told you. However, what I'm about to tell you might sound like B.S. but I assure you it's the honest truth. I have taken shots of T. for over 13 years and I NEVER had one that hurt. Let me repeat that, "NEVER" had one that hurt except for one time when a doctor gave me the shot. I came to the conclusion that he simply didn't know how to give shots. He had me lie down on the table and he just shoved the needle in and it hurt worst than any shot I ever had before ar since. Most of the shots I had during those 13+ years were either given to me by a nurse or my wife and they never hurt one bit. I've also given myself shots, in the thigh and in the left delt and never hurt myself.
When my wife gives them to me she holds the syringe like a dart and injects it like she's throwing a dart and I "never" feel it going in. Sometimes I feel a slight burning sensation when she takes out the needle if she gets in a hurry.
I give myself injections the same way but when I do it in the thigh, I pinch an inch of muscle/flesh and squeeze while darting the needle in quickly. Never hurts!

[CoreyTampa09]

Thanks man, after my 10 week run until this batch runs up ill consider administering the shots myself. But im curious as well, how old were you when you started and explain what happened in the beginning stages. Im curious to see if what im going to go through is going to be similar to others. BTW day 6 is today lol.

[jpkman]

Thanks man, after my 10 week run until this batch runs up ill consider administering the shots myself. But im curious as well, how old were you when you started and explain what happened in the beginning stages. Im curious to see if what im going to go through is going to be similar to others. BTW day 6 is today lol.
feelin anything?

[CoreyTampa09]

Well, I can say I feel more rested waking up with 6-8 hours of sleep, but that could be do to the excitement of my first day of class today. I noticed a bit more hair on my hands but thats all for now.

[jpkman]

Well, I can say I feel more rested waking up with 6-8 hours of sleep, but that could be do to the excitement of my first day of class today. I noticed a bit more hair on my hands but thats all for now.
lol
oh yeah, forgot to tell you....got to get the hair on my back shaved 3 times since i started...JK

hope you have a good first year....i'm taking online classes again....hopefully i'll do something this semester....me and my wife take the same classes and have the same books and that's all i'm gonna say:wg:

[CoreyTampa09]

Actually this is my second year at the University of Tampa. Pre-Med Allied Health for now and eventually I'll be moving on to Physical Therapy. I love it, the only school where you walk into the cafeteria and there are so many girls, 6:1.

[liftin4life]

Keep us posted on how the shots are going. I should be starting very soon.

[CoreyTampa09]

Heres a bit of an update guys...I believe im 34 or 35 days in already..phew 5 weeks already. Ive already had 2 injections...but I fear maybe the second one wasnt injected properly. The pain I felt on the first one was not apparent on the second one, maybe she did it a bit more gently. Another reason why im bringing this up is because I really dont feel much different. I mean Im sure if I really investigated my body I can point out and nitpick small little things, but nothing even slightly dramatic. My overall appearance I dont think has changed much and my diet remains strong. I mean my midsections is leaning out VERYYY littlee but nothing to write off about. My weight has gone up 2-4 pounds or has pretty much stayed the same varying from water weight. My strength has gone up a little but nothing out of this world and nothing I dont think that couldve been attained without the introduction to TRT. Maybe im simply overtraining...you can check out my workout in the workout section or just look through one of my more recent posts. My calories still remain in the 2200-2400 range. Maybe the 200mg every two weeks just isnt enough or maybe it takes longer for it to kick in. Give me some insight here guys....thanks for listening.

[jpkman]

hey corey...hope school's going well...the first thing that stands out is when you say that your strength has gone up a little, but nothing out of this world...are you gaining more strength for sure in these last 30 days than you were b4?...example of myself on TRT, I couldn't gain ANY LBM, ANY STRENGTH, OR SHED ANY BF AT ALL....In 5 months, one example...the bench...I only went up 40lbs. on my max...I mean not really out of this world either right...but it's 8lbs. a month to the good and it wasn't happening without TRT FOR SURE and yes, you mentioned doses again...these gains I speak of are on various doses throughout the 5 months including low doses of androgel in the begginning but about 21/2 months in I got on injection and started off immediately with 200mg /wk and went as high as 400mg/wk for a couple weeks...got to go for now...more later

[Teabagger]

Be patient a couple more weeks...but remember I said "frequency" of injection is as if not more important than the dosage? I just don't like the idea of shots every 2 weeks.......take half the dose 1 time per week and you will see different results. They will not be drastic...but noticable. At shots every two weeks, and only 200mg...your levels are probably never going to be stable, and that is counterproductive in and of itself. For results you need stable blood levels of test, otherwise your estro can increase substantially. Good luck...talk with your doc at your next shot....

[CoreyTampa09]

Yeah I will have to be mailed more of those syringes as im at school at they sont carry that size in many locations. I mean lets see 40 pounds on a bench is nothing like im talking about. Maybe im just psyching myself up abit about my reps which is enabling me to lift more. Or it could just be the CEE kicking in.

But prior to TRT my incline dumbell sets looked like this
65x12 70x10 75x6-8
and now its more like this
75x12 80x8-10 856x8

I mean i dont think its anything I couldnt of acheived by myself in a months time. My dumbells did go up as well I think iso curls over precher. Used to start with 35 then 40 than 40 but now im doing 40 40 45

[Spyke]

I agree with teabagger. Sometime bad HRT can be worse then no HRT. It is possible that with every 2 week injections, your levels could be lower the second week then before starting hrt.

My guess is that your dose is too low and every 2 weeks is not enough. Get your levels checked again after 8 weeks of hrt and push for weekly injections.

150mg every week raised my total test roughly 500 points.

[CoreyTampa09]

wow, if mine was raised 500 points total id be sitting around 750-800. Well this vial runs out after 10 weeks, then im sent another 10 week vial and head home for thanksgiving. Im supposed to give my endo a call this weekend and keep her updated. Perhaps she can fax my medical office the new dosing instructions. I doubt it though without new bloodwork.

[CoreyTampa09]

Guys ive been doing more and more reading on TRT and im debating if whether I made the wrong decision or not. I mean 277 or whatever it was is low I know...but maybe I didnt go through enough tests to determine if I was suitable for it. I mean I had alot of bloodwork,brain scans etc etc but I still dont know. I dont if what ive been reading is correct but I heard that when im on 100mg a week for an extended period of time my natural production begins to shut down. I can just be freaking out about nothing as my endo has assured me numerous times that I can come off TRT with no harm done. Basically guys im just looking for some reassurance here as im probally not seeing muich results, and the fact that later down the road I will be ok, and kids wont be a problem. Well theres my mini rant..talk to you all later.

[jpkman]

Guys ive been doing more and more reading on TRT and im debating if whether I made the wrong decision or not. I mean 277 or whatever it was is low I know...but maybe I didnt go through enough tests to determine if I was suitable for it. I mean I had alot of bloodwork,brain scans etc etc but I still dont know. I dont if what ive been reading is correct but I heard that when im on 100mg a week for an extended period of time my natural production begins to shut down. I can just be freaking out about nothing as my endo has assured me numerous times that I can come off TRT with no harm done. Basically guys im just looking for some reassurance here as im probally not seeing muich results, and the fact that later down the road I will be ok, and kids wont be a problem. Well theres my mini rant..talk to you all later.
No man, you got logical concerns and conflicts in your research vs. what your doc is telling you (see bold).
I was told that kids could be a concern but like I said b4 ALREADY GOT A BROOD so wasn't conerned and didn't have the same thought pattern as a young bro like yourself...either way you're only a little over a month in so you still have time to keep researching and testing and deciding what's best for you. You only had the one testosterone blood test b4 or how many?
talk later

[CoreyTampa09]

I had a basic bloodword done, and then a furthur analysis.

[Spyke]

Corey, I only want to help you here so I am gonna give it to you straight.

#1 The way you are going about your HRT program is totally half assed IMO. Going in for shots every 2 weeks is a major red flag in the HRT world. You need weekly injections. Your dosing seems low. She does not have you on any anti e or hcg which is just as important as test in a hrt program.

#2 Even on HRT fat loss and muscle gains do not happen overnight. You need to give it some time and still be on a solid weight lifting program and have a clean diet. I think you are expecting too much too soon. Even after a couple weeks on a good HRT program you may not notice much, you have been on a really crappy program for a few weeks. No wonder you have not seen much.

#3 Yes being on test for any length of time WILL shut you down. NO EXCEPTIONS. HRT for people like you and me is for life so it really does not matter. It is alot like a diabetic being on insulin for life, but we only inject once a week. HRT may or may not cause fertility problems. Have a few loads kept in the freezer at your doc just to be safe.

[CoreyTampa09]

I dont think im on HRT but I think its TRT. I dont know the actual difference maybe just that my total test was low? I will talk to her about anti e's and hcg when I call her in a few days.

[jpkman]

In your case HRT and TRT are the same....H meaning hormone and T meaning testosterone

[Spyke]

Aorund here we interchange those terms. Basically hrt leaves the door open to include things like hgh in the program.

I would not waste any more time with that doc. Dump her and go with Oasis or Swale or someone who REALLY knows this stuff. Why even ask her about anti e again? Isnt she the one that said they counteract the test? WTF?

[jpkman]

Oasis is out for Corey I believe cuz his age (gotta be 30)...don't know about Swale...

[liftin4life]

Keep us posted on your situation, Corey. I believe you're familiar with mine already and I know Spyke and Jpkman are.

I go to the endocrinologist Wednesday and will hopefully be going on TRT and possibly HCG...depending. I've had most levels tested 3 times and the results have been consistent.

SHBG...mid to low range of normal
LH.. low-normal
TSH...mid-normal
FSH...low-normal
E2...mid-normal
Prolactin...normal (lower 1/3)
***Testosterone: Total 51ng/dl Free: 11ng/dl (MORNING level) evening level was 44ng/dl total.

MRI revealved a pituitary tumor not treatable with medication (as it is not prolactin based...CAB or bromo won't work). Surgery/radiation is a decision made over time based on MRI observation. At the tumor's current size there is no rush to operate.

Wish me luck, guys. I'm hoping for some HCG along with Test Cyp or Enth. With my levels being this low at age 25, the gel is certainly not strong enough at a safe dosage...and gel is a pain in the a$$ anyway.

As of now....Tera Patrick and Jenna Jameson can't even get me 10% turned on. So...this doc better give me something ASAP!

[ironaddict69]

yeah i know how that feels, i was practically in the same boat as you. my doc was generous he gaveme the option for 300 mg a week, arimidex, hcg, and cabergoline to lower my prolactin(the sides suck) and thyroid armour. to be honest its my 5th week of the Cyp, and yeah my levels are high but it still hasnt kicked in for me...so be patient, just dont expect like a week after ur shot to be back where you used to be. if u are expecting that and if i could do it over i would either take some D-bol for the first couple weeks...6 actually, or do the ED injects with prop...untill week 7 or 8

[liftin4life]

yeah i know how that feels, i was practically in the same boat as you. my doc was generous he gaveme the option for 300 mg a week, arimidex, hcg, and cabergoline to lower my prolactin(the sides suck) and thyroid armour. to be honest its my 5th week of the Cyp, and yeah my levels are high but it still hasnt kicked in for me...so be patient, just dont expect like a week after ur shot to be back where you used to be. if u are expecting that and if i could do it over i would either take some D-bol for the first couple weeks...6 actually, or do the ED injects with prop...untill week 7 or 8

I was thinking of starting with prop or frontloading the enth/cyp depending on what I get. I want results as soon as possible. Dbol is testable in drug tests for anabolics. The chances of me being tested are slim...especially if I have a script for testosterone..but I work for the gov so I'd have to do more research. I have superdrol on hand but I really just want to follow the doc's recommendations to a T when I'm starting out. Muscle will come (obviously)...but sex drive I think takes a slightly higher priority as I'm non-functional down there.

[CoreyTampa09]

hey guys, just an update - going for my 4th injection tommrow week 8 and still havent felt much noticeable results. Im going for bloodwork within the month to see if it even boosted my total test levels. If not, maybe i need to add another compound or raise my doses....Also I think im developing some gyno...it could be paranoia as i put on 5-8 extra pounds but my chest feels alot more fatty while the rest of my body is staying the same. Like the fat around my nipple used to be more firm and now its very soft almost like where I can feel each fat lump cell in there. Maybe I have too much estrogen..well find out. I asked this question in another thread by maybe you guys could help me out. Maybe a year or so down the road I might consider a cycle. Could this completely **** my TRT up or what. TaiBoxa told me hes on TRT as well and goes on little 6 week cycles every so often and it doesnt require PCT as your getting biweekly injections of test E. I would consider an oral or maybe a pro-hormone...whats ur advice guys.

[jpkman]

hey guys, just an update - going for my 4th injection tommrow week 8 and still havent felt much noticeable results. Im going for bloodwork within the month to see if it even boosted my total test levels. If not, maybe i need to add another compound or raise my doses....Also I think im developing some gyno...it could be paranoia as i put on 5-8 extra pounds but my chest feels alot more fatty while the rest of my body is staying the same. Like the fat around my nipple used to be more firm and now its very soft almost like where I can feel each fat lump cell in there. Maybe I have too much estrogen..well find out. I asked this question in another thread by maybe you guys could help me out. Maybe a year or so down the road I might consider a cycle. Could this completely **** my TRT up or what. TaiBoxa told me hes on TRT as well and goes on little 6 week cycles every so often and it doesnt require PCT as your getting biweekly injections of test E. I would consider an oral or maybe a pro-hormone...whats ur advice guys.

man...i thought u were doing better...yeh..i was following your other thread, too....try to get that blood test asap....so you'll know about your estro bro

[CoreyTampa09]

Well im doing good dont get me wrong...strength is up...and i think overall body composition looks better even with the extra weight on me...its just still not what I was expecting...im definately convinced there might be something wrong with the way my body digests and processes food as I told you i bloat for hours upon hours after eating simple foods and never poop lol.

[ironaddict69]

corey, do a colon and liver cleanse. go to a health food store like mothers market and ask them for what product they recommend. trust me, im not kidding. it will work. i know from experience. your clogged up. drink more water, and only clean, bottled water.

[ironaddict69]

oh and corey. im in week 7 of 300 mg a week test cyp, and i feel nothing. i mean, nothiong. and ive had blood test and my test is 1500, and a high free test too. some people dont respond till like week 10 or some crap like that. shitty aint it? thats why im starting prop and dbol sometime this week. if you need to talk or anyhting, pm me, or im me if u have aim. its a shitty feeling what ur going thru and im doin the same thing, and it sucks.