newbie 1 year working out im 20 yrs old

[pavlenko]

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http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/pavlenko/front.jpg
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hey guys thise are some pix of me currenty...i am running a cycle as of right now 550mg test-e 1-12 500mg deca 1-10

i am on week 3..seeing no signs of change yet but will come soon.

please let me kno what u think i am 21 years old 190lb 5'9"

[pavlenko]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/pavlenko/frontflex.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/pavlenko/latspread.jpg


here is afew more please comment!!!

[kaberle_15]

You look good. I think you should have waited longer than a year until you started cycling and the fact that you are 20 or 21 I think you are too young.
Nonetheless you have some decent size for you're height. You need to work on you're arms (triceps especially) and you're lower and upper back thickness. Chest has some nice shape to it but focus more on upper chest to get more seperation, it appears most of you're chest mass is located around the sides and lower half perhaps from focusing on flys and crossovers more than incline presses which will bring out more def. and mass in you're overall chest. Post up some pics of the wheels too. Good luck with the training.

[Jiesel]

look real good, nice work! whats your measurements? Like above said everything looks quite proportionate except your upper chest, maybe work more on Incline benching and presses? Your shoulders and traps look huge....Im guessing your eating closer to a bulk then a cut since your cycling, looks like once you cut you'll be shredded...

[pavlenko]

thanks for the suggestions guys, I was thinking among the same lines. I will be working more on my upper chest with more fly movements and I have been doing my tri's 2 times a week but i will hit them harder I know I need to. I will also concentrate on back thickness as you have said, but everytime i do deadlifts my lower back kills me! I will start doing more "good morning" which excersizes do you guys suggest for overall back thickness, besides pull downs. I know upright rows are good and dumb bell pulls. which is good for lower back?

[pavlenko]

**BUMP** plz more comments welcome!!! I will post some leg pix 2morro, by the way I am bulking right now and eating as much as possible around 4000-5000 cals a day every 2-3 hours. before the summer time comes around maybe 30 days prior to beach season I will be cutting with some tren and prop and running like crazy 2 times a day hopefully ill see some single digit bf% for the summer.

[outlawtas]

What your cycling schedule for the next 6 months?

[pavlenko]

right now as i have stated above I am running
550mg test-e weekly 2x250 1-12
500mg deca weekly 1-10
winny week 9-13 50mg ed

in june i will start a cutting cycle with prop, tren a, and eq ++ALOTA CARDIO AND LIFTING

MORE COMMENTS PLEASE!! THANKS

[kaberle_15]

which excersizes do you guys suggest for overall back thickness, besides pull downs.

seated rows!

stiff-legged deadlifts for lower back

[pavlenko]

thanks I do alotta seated rows and will start doing alot more stiff legged dead lifts. I am starting to get really serious into working out and I think i have been very consitent with it, i believe for even alil less than a year {9 month} of working out I have done a good job, cant wait to see what happeneds in afew more years !! or when im 30? I know i love working out and i will stay doing it. Thank god there is forums and good people like u guys to help out beginners in achieving our goals and dreams the smart and safe way.

[hurley11]

Im going to lay everything out right now and hopefully you and everyone else my age (also 21) will listen and figure things out. Your natural test levels are about as high as they are going to get right now. Running gear isn't a waste of time but its a pretty dumb move. Not only are you wasting money you could be using to buy books on how to lift properly but your screwing up your body even more than if you had waited a few years. Also, your not even considering diet which is WAY more important then running a bit of test and deca. Im just hoping to god you know something about PCT and don't end up losing more than you get out of this cycle. Also, single digit bf% looks like a pipe dream to me. You would have to lose a lot of weight and with it (since your diet and training probably isn't optimal) probably most if not all of your gains. I wish I were talking out of my ass right now but anyone who knows what is actually going on inside their body will probably agree with me. Im sorry I picked your thread to flame...its one of a few Ive seen on this site, but hopefully the other guys will read this too. Good luck, it looks like you have a lot of potential.

[Kale]

Im going to lay everything out right now and hopefully you and everyone else my age (also 21) will listen and figure things out. Your natural test levels are about as high as they are going to get right now. Running gear isn't a waste of time but its a pretty dumb move. Not only are you wasting money you could be using to buy books on how to lift properly but your screwing up your body even more than if you had waited a few years. Also, your not even considering diet which is WAY more important then running a bit of test and deca. Im just hoping to god you know something about PCT and don't end up losing more than you get out of this cycle. Also, single digit bf% looks like a pipe dream to me. You would have to lose a lot of weight and with it (since your diet and training probably isn't optimal) probably most if not all of your gains. I wish I were talking out of my ass right now but anyone who knows what is actually going on inside their body will probably agree with me. Im sorry I picked your thread to flame...its one of a few Ive seen on this site, but hopefully the other guys will read this too. Good luck, it looks like you have a lot of potential.
Stick around dude, we can use a young guy with brains around here !!!

[pavlenko]

I know what diet is and I am eating as much as I need to. I also know what pct is and my pct is layed out. also signle digit bf% pipe dream? Kid before i started working out and eating so much food to bulk i was already there with a 6 pack. When I cut its gonna be a diff story about diet, I know what I am doing, and I also know what I am doing while cycling so why dont you keep working out natty while i shoot some more juice. Thanks for the comment.

[hurley11]

Why don't I keep working on my degree in Human Kinetics and you go read a book. Sorry to say but not only am I natural but Ive competed and won. Im also bigger than you with lower bodyfat %. Oh and "six pack" doens't mean single digit bodyfat. Id get into how muscle is marbelled with fat and the fat that surrounds your internal organs but that kind of stuff probably doesn't interest you seeing as you come off as both ignorant and arrogant. I could have been a dick and said to stop wasting your time posting up pics. However I decided to attempt to give you some constructive criticism in the hope you would figure shit out. Your the reason people have a bad opinion of bodybuilders. Also calling me kid is pretty dumb. I have more biochemistry, anatomy and physiology background then most people on this board. Im going to guess you know exactly what all those hormones and chemicals are doing in your body since you seem so sure of yourself. Good luck

[pavlenko]

I dont care how big you are your comment didnt register in my head because im not interested on your opinion about me using AS. I am using it because I chose to and that is my right. You sound like a geek, KID.

[hurley11]

Make sure you post up how the cycle goes. Im curious...and I prefer to be called a nerd.

[ronan the barbarian]

Why don't I keep working on my degree in Human Kinetics and you go read a book. Sorry to say but not only am I natural but Ive competed and won. Im also bigger than you with lower bodyfat %. Oh and "six pack" doens't mean single digit bodyfat. Id get into how muscle is marbelled with fat and the fat that surrounds your internal organs but that kind of stuff probably doesn't interest you seeing as you come off as both ignorant and arrogant. I could have been a dick and said to stop wasting your time posting up pics. However I decided to attempt to give you some constructive criticism in the hope you would figure shit out. Your the reason people have a bad opinion of bodybuilders. Also calling me kid is pretty dumb. I have more biochemistry, anatomy and physiology background then most people on this board. Im going to guess you know exactly what all those hormones and chemicals are doing in your body since you seem so sure of yourself. Good luck

your a smart guy,its a shame some people dont like to hear the truth,im by no means an expert or the biggest guy around,but i am 12yrs older than pavlenko and in good shape.i just hope he can say the same in 12yrs time.

pavlenkoyou have made some good gains and hopefully at not a high price,

but you should listen to people giving constructive critisism,you dont have to like it but to show respect for someone elses knowledge shows you have character,and not an attitude problem

but you have still made nice gains.congrats

[pavlenko]

This is like my 1st serious cycle, what makes you think my body wont grow naturally after this. Yeah I will post how the cycle goes and some after pix 1nc its done. ..right now into week 3, tuesday is my 2nd 250mg test shot. fri will be 4th week, seeing no serious strength increase yet. BTw that post from hurley made me think if I wanna cycle again after this or go natty for a few years its just it came off too much as like "you are cycling oh well you suck then". The gains are so much faster even from when I did my 1st cycle 250mg a week of test-e for 10 weeks I saw the strength increase and size gradually so I mean my natty test levels cant be THAT high if I saw those kind of results ending with 20 pounds increase in size.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Why don't I keep working on my degree in Human Kinetics and you go read a book. Sorry to say but not only am I natural but Ive competed and won. Im also bigger than you with lower bodyfat %. Oh and "six pack" doens't mean single digit bodyfat. Id get into how muscle is marbelled with fat and the fat that surrounds your internal organs but that kind of stuff probably doesn't interest you seeing as you come off as both ignorant and arrogant. I could have been a dick and said to stop wasting your time posting up pics. However I decided to attempt to give you some constructive criticism in the hope you would figure shit out. Your the reason people have a bad opinion of bodybuilders. Also calling me kid is pretty dumb. I have more biochemistry, anatomy and physiology background then most people on this board. Im going to guess you know exactly what all those hormones and chemicals are doing in your body since you seem so sure of yourself. Good luck


Thanks for the life story :aajack:

[Hellmaskbanned]

Pavlenko looking good man. If you have any ?'s about your cycle, or wanna discuss anything feel free to pm.

[perfectbeast2001]

wheres the wheels? Looking good mate. Dunno about the cycle but whats done is done.

[pavlenko]

Thanks guys, I forgot my diggi at my boys house last night..damn it. as soon as I get it back Ill take some wheel shots. Prolly 2morro since today is my day off from the gym and he lives right near it.

[ronan the barbarian]

This is like my 1st serious cycle, what makes you think my body wont grow naturally after this. Yeah I will post how the cycle goes and some after pix 1nc its done. ..right now into week 3, tuesday is my 2nd 250mg test shot. fri will be 4th week, seeing no serious strength increase yet. BTw that post from hurley made me think if I wanna cycle again after this or go natty for a few years its just it came off too much as like "you are cycling oh well you suck then". The gains are so much faster even from when I did my 1st cycle 250mg a week of test-e for 10 weeks I saw the strength increase and size gradually so I mean my natty test levels cant be THAT high if I saw those kind of results ending with 20 pounds increase in size.

lol.dont worry.cus mr average thinks anyone in good shape is permanently juiced anyway so i really wouldnt worry too much what people think.as long as your bein safe and know what your doin!!!!!!!!!!!!


i once read "steroids make a fantastic slave but a terrible master"

[timtim]

i dont care if/when you cycle so im not gonna comment on 2 cycles in the first year you've been training, to each their own.

in my opinion you look like you have high bf, smooth and watery appearance, and no muscle density or depth. getting bigger with water and fat looks bad and your nips look like they are gonna start forming gyno. this is an honest critique and not a flame. im telling you what i see. that is why you posted pics, for critiques on your appearance?

if all you wanted to do is show how much progress you think you've made then ignore my critique.

the reason people tell you to lift natural and build the base and blah blah blah is to avoid the look your going to create. muscle looks better built over time. rush it and it has an ugly, bloated look - and i dont care if your "bulking", thats an excuse, knowing your body and diet can alleviate that look pretty easy and that comes with time/experience. all the drugs in the world wont change that.

either way good luck. this is marathon your in, not a sprint.

[pavlenko]

I never said I was in for a sprint, just because i am cycling with in my 1st year of working out. I just wanted to gain size fast and I am achieving this currently. Most likely I will lay off AS for the next few years and try retaining as much size as I can while building more hard dense muscle. Thanks for your comments.

[IronReload04]

aside from steroids. hate to break it to you guys, but you cant always look pretty and sit a low bodyfat to get from point a to point b.

aside from steroid- this kid looks awesome for only working out for ONE YEAR. if what he sais is true and the juice hasnt kicked in yet.

he definately could have filled out alot more before starting, but looks like is already on the right path diet and training wise if you ask me

[pavlenko]

Thanks Iron, I appreciate the nice words. I truly do believe I am on the right path, I have went through a terrible 3 year relationship breakup in the recent 2 month and its really making me depressed and all that other good stuff, the lady (model) basically dumped me to the curb after telling me all the good words like I love you and all this but I keep working out despite the grief and im starting college on the 23'rd so Im gonna be a buisy man within the next few years with gym,work,college but im deff not giving up on any of those.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Thanks Iron, I appreciate the nice words. I truly do believe I am on the right path, I have went through a terrible 3 year relationship breakup in the recent 2 month and its really making me depressed and all that other good stuff, the lady (model) basically dumped me to the curb after telling me all the good words like I love you and all this but I keep working out despite the grief and im starting college on the 23'rd so Im gonna be a buisy man within the next few years with gym,work,college but im deff not giving up on any of those.



Don't be a *****.:lol:
Look at it as....now you have more time to train?!:aaGreen22

[getpaid]

Don't be a *****.:lol:
Look at it as....now you have more time to train?!:aaGreen22

LMAO..:lol: well said hellmask

Pavlenko, I made the same mistake when I was your age, but whats done is done..Looking good for only being 20yrs old,...Just concentrate on your diet and just make sure you have proper PCT in place..Good luck and keep us updated..

[chest6]

dont let a GIRL influence your life.

[aadrenaline]

wooooo this is going to be interesting isnt it

[ronan the barbarian]

Don't be a *****.:lol:
Look at it as....now you have more time to train?!:aaGreen22

:1laugh: ha ha ha so funny

how old did you say you are pavlenko.lol.you sound like a love sick schoolboy.

f**k her, are you that ugly?just get another girlfriend.....simple

bodybuiling at all levels gives you confidence in yourself so use it

[powerbodybuilder]

Looking good bro.

[UberSteroids]

Looking good man!
I would definetly add some incline D-bell flys.

[Johny-too-small]

Thanks for the life story :aajack:

:lol: :lol:

[EcToMoRpHiAn]

Hurley11 I don't doubt that you know more than the average person on this website, but you need to realize you are not the end all that people are going to listen to. You came into my thread trying to "drop knowledge" that I already knew, but you did it in a very negative way. What is done is done as far as Pavlenko doing a cycle, and it would be pointless to go three weeks in and start PCT because you tell him to. If anything use your extensive knowledge to motivate people rather than put them down. Your opinion is your own, and you can express it in a way that isn't calling people out and pissing them off.

[Foskamink]

looking perfect in those pics in my opinion.

[quarry206]

EVERYBODY UNDER 25 READ THIS, WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT THE PROS ON HERE MORE

i'm not going to bash you, but you do need to take some advice people are giving.. it seems you are taking the negitive energy and totally forgetting that there is a point in what some of them are saying.. but they are being alittle harsh about how they say it

you are looking good for only one year. one thing you might try is doing some bulking work outs for now, you are still a small guy. work on the basic bulk movements then when you get about two are three more years under your belt then move to the exercise's that will give you the peaks and cuts you want..

not being mean, just being honest with you.. but... if you try cutting down for beach season you will most likely either lose some muscle you are working hard to get, or you will put yourself in a hole, as far as your workouts and you will not want to continue... make yourself a real goal.. single digits for you is not going to happen without negitive effects.. you will look great without going to single digits, stay postive about it trust me it will come


last, the guys that are telling you negitive things are only saying it because they have been their and done that, i'm young like you (24myself).. i do powerlifting not bodybuilding, but anybody under the age of 28-30 is still a rookie, simple as that.. pro body builders take ten years before they learn their body... let people help you, its the only way to meet your goal..

[pavlenko]

thanks for the comment guys, I honestly take alota things you guys say into play because I know experience means alot in this game. quarry u are right about not cutting, im not at that point BY FAR and yet i do stick to basic power movements for the majority of my work outs. I did some incline benching yesturday with some flys and dumbbell presses feeling good this morning. Did my 2nd shot of 250mg test right now. about to hit college orientation come back and work out...and as i promised take some wheel flix today. btw i dont really think about that grl much anymore i am talking to some1 else but the 1st two three weeks i cant even lie i was being a ***** =P.

[quarry206]

just wondering may i ask where you are from?

oh one thing, not being negitive, but something you need to start thinking about...

since you started roids after only one year of working out.. there is a VERY good chance within about three months of getting off of them you are going to hit a serious wall in your workouts.. its normal but since all until this point you have been new so gains come on a weekly basis.. and the roids are shooting you even higher.. you will level of (more mentally than physical) STAY positive.. even ronnie coleman stayed the same wieght for years.... the new MD markus rhul admits to not being able to grow shoulders for 4years, and now he has the biggest shoulders in the world some say....

stay positive, i don't approve of the juice, but you have already gone down that path so realize the mental and physical blocks you will hit, and probably soon..

50% of working out nomatter what your goal is mental

[pavlenko]

yeah thanks for the info, I will keep working out no matter what happends just because it makes me feel good not only physically but mentally also, and this is what keeps me going the feeling of self satisfaction of doing something productive and healthy(maybe not the juice part =P) I am from New England tri state area =]. Today i hit my shoulders real good, when i was walking out it felt like somebody broke em lol

[pavlenko]

guys here is a few more pix as i promised

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/pavlenko/leg.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/pavlenko/Picture001.jpg

[pavlenko]

my legs are 1 of my weakest parts and i am hitting them harder than ever before lately just because I know how big they can get

[ronan the barbarian]

nipplles looking 'puffy' gyno??just wondering

[pavlenko]

no gyni, like dat naturally

[Hellmaskbanned]

You appear to be holding some fat/water. You running a serm or AI?

[pavlenko]

AIFM 1 spray a day..im gonna bump it to 2..1 in the morning 1 before sleep

[pavlenko]

last night started week 4 of my cycle. did the 500mg deca shot mixed with 250 mg test-e ..im starting to feel the power in my workouts and the test is DEFF kicking in =]...cant wait to see what happends by the end of the cycle, im shooting around 215lb

[a lifeless plague]

just wondering may i ask where you are from?

oh one thing, not being negitive, but something you need to start thinking about...

since you started roids after only one year of working out.. there is a VERY good chance within about three months of getting off of them you are going to hit a serious wall in your workouts.. its normal but since all until this point you have been new so gains come on a weekly basis.. and the roids are shooting you even higher.. you will level of (more mentally than physical) STAY positive.. even ronnie coleman stayed the same wieght for years.... the new MD markus rhul admits to not being able to grow shoulders for 4years, and now he has the biggest shoulders in the world some say....

stay positive, i don't approve of the juice, but you have already gone down that path so realize the mental and physical blocks you will hit, and probably soon..

50% of working out nomatter what your goal is mental

i worked out hard for a few years natural. i came to a plateau for a little while and ran a cycle and broke the weight i was trying to hit. im not on gear right now and my weight has been moving well again. people act like YOU'VE DOOMED YOURSELF AFTER THAT FIRST CYCLE. at the local powerhouse gym that i am a member of kids are 16 and talking about juice.. those are the problems. they just aren't members of this board, too bad right? good luck with your cycle man, get the most out of it you can. all respect to everyone in this thread, im not trying to be a smart ass.

[Fastcav]

You are looking good man, keep up the good work.

[timtim]

i worked out hard for a few years natural. i came to a plateau for a little while and ran a cycle and broke the weight i was trying to hit. im not on gear right now and my weight has been moving well again. people act like YOU'VE DOOMED YOURSELF AFTER THAT FIRST CYCLE. at the local powerhouse gym that i am a member of kids are 16 and talking about juice.. those are the problems. they just aren't members of this board, too bad right? good luck with your cycle man, get the most out of it you can. all respect to everyone in this thread, im not trying to be a smart ass.

nice post but this dude has 1 year in the gym and 2 cycles down. why not actually put effort into building your car before putting turbo in it?

[pavlenko]

timtim i feel like i didnt rush anything i worked out before when i was 14 and 15 plus when i was young i was doing acrobatics with daily work outs, by age 11 i had a blown 6 pack. and i work very hard in the gym day to day there is nothing easy about what I am doing. this cycle is just getting me to the point i want to be faster and once im there i just wanna perfect it. why does it seem like alot of people are flaming me for cycling just because i put in 1year (seriously) i did work out before i just didnt count it because i didnt have the knowledge i have now. maybe the people that are saying this stuff are saying it because they didnt have the knowledge or apportunity to cycle at the time that I did? hmm interesting thought

[timtim]

why does it seem like alot of people are flaming me for cycling just because i put in 1year (seriously) i did work out before i just didnt count it because i didnt have the knowledge i have now. maybe the people that are saying this stuff are saying it because they didnt have the knowledge or apportunity to cycle at the time that I did? hmm interesting thought


there's nothing interesting about that thought. you really shouldnt be cycling period and that is why your getting "flamed". your physique is nothing that warrants aas. sorry, my opinion. and 18 years in the gym tells me that. i got a 19 year old i've been training since he was in 6th grade and he's 245 right now naturally at 5'10" with diet alone. we began when he was 150ish. tons of gains can be made if you pay your dues. you didnt and in my opinion it shows - rationalize this anyway you want, you want a short cut and the results are obvious. aas are not magic and they dont make muscle mature and age, only dedication does.

believe me, you are nowhere near as informed and in the know about what your doing as you think you are. even with a cycle and the start of this one there is nothing there that shows me much. not a flame, just honesty. if you look in the mirror and feel watery, smooth, high bf physiques are the shit then more power to ya. anybody can be big and sloppy. if you really think you need 2 cycles a year just to look moderately like you may workout then go for it. im not going to sheepishly complement something i think is ridiculous. i would have never imagined you had cycled by the looks of things.

not a flame, just my opinion.

[pavlenko]

ok timtim if you are around to see my pix of what happends in a few years with my physique i bet you will be saying different words IMHO, the pix look like im soft but to the touch the muscles are hard and not watery.

[quarry206]

i worked out hard for a few years natural. i came to a plateau for a little while and ran a cycle and broke the weight i was trying to hit. im not on gear right now and my weight has been moving well again. people act like YOU'VE DOOMED YOURSELF AFTER THAT FIRST CYCLE. at the local powerhouse gym that i am a member of kids are 16 and talking about juice.. those are the problems. they just aren't members of this board, too bad right? good luck with your cycle man, get the most out of it you can. all respect to everyone in this thread, im not trying to be a smart ass.


well since you quoted me without fallowing one part of this thread... the whole point is he started it with only one year.. your first year gains come back to back to back... then with juice they jump big time.. but any real lifter will admit after one year and two cycles, you will hit a wall.... no its not a wall you can't get thro, but it is a wall you have to be mentally ready for... and up to this point i doubt he has faced a real plateau...

if anything i am being supportive of him, just giving him realistic advice..

i'm 24 and been working out since i was 16.. i bench more than twice my body wieght and unequiped and natural... so tho i don't know about cycles, i do know about the problems in a gym and the ones he will face being a new guy in the gym and starting juice at a young young age and young in his lifting career...

I SUPPORT ANYBODY THAT WALKS INTO A GYM AND WORKS OUT NOMATTER WHAT... JUST BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVICE AND ASK FOR HELP WHEN YOU NEED IT.. IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT 1 YEAR OR 20 YEARS

[pavlenko]

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions guys, today is the start of my 5th week and the strength is coming along good, i also started 50mg of winny ED as of today orally, will be ran until week 11..when do you guys think I will see anything from it like bigger pumps or whatever comes with taking winny, with in the 1st couple of days? Today i weighed at 200lb so i am up 5 lb already. The strength and endurance is good, im getting more compliments about my mass at the gym =] damn i love the way grls just stare at me its so funny

[fast]

Nice pics mate, but as mentioned before, single digit fat% seems very distant :/

Good luck with your cycle, hopefully you can maintain most of it !

Hurley11: Nice to spot someone with all that knowledge among all meatheads =)

Cheers :7up:

[pavlenko]

fast Im not interested in single digit bf% not for afew years atleast bulking is whats its all about in the beginning of the game...for me atleast

[jbarkley]

just wondering may i ask where you are from?

oh one thing, not being negitive, but something you need to start thinking about...

since you started roids after only one year of working out.. there is a VERY good chance within about three months of getting off of them you are going to hit a serious wall in your workouts.. its normal but since all until this point you have been new so gains come on a weekly basis.. and the roids are shooting you even higher.. you will level of (more mentally than physical) STAY positive.. even ronnie coleman stayed the same wieght for years.... the new MD markus rhul admits to not being able to grow shoulders for 4years, and now he has the biggest shoulders in the world some say....

stay positive, i don't approve of the juice, but you have already gone down that path so realize the mental and physical blocks you will hit, and probably soon..

50% of working out nomatter what your goal is mental
Great advise, good job!

[pavlenko]

do you guys think it would be a bad idea to extend my cycle to 16 weeks of test instead of 12 and after the 10 week deca, start running tren-a 50mg ED for 6 weeks till the end of the cycle? please comment, nvm forget this it will be way too much gear for a second cycle im just curious what you guys would say but anyways...i just got some b12 injectable, im thinking about saving it for PCT or do you guys suggest i run it now during cycle AND pct?

[pavlenko]

BUMP!! any comments plz