sd + pp

[Taurus]

i;m thinkin of doing a combination of the two. i did sd alone 2 yrs ago and worked well for me. recovered well with no side effects. i did the sd for 4 weeks and i know my log is in here somewhere. jus wanted to add the pp to extednt the cucle from 4 to 6 weeks.

1-3 sd 20/30/30
4-6 pp 20/30/30

is that too much. keep in mind i took sd and was fine.

i've since taken prop, tren, var and tbol, and none of these worked as well as the sd did. i have all my supplements in check... jus wanted to know if the sycyle was too much. i dont think it is as i see some guys doin 5 weeks of the same mix. thanks!

i looked on the web for the pp. i normally buy from 1fast 400 but they are out of stock. anyone know where i can get it from?

[nyjetsfan86]

6 weeks of an oral is too long thats a lot of stress on the liver

[Snrf]

6 weeks of an oral is too long thats a lot of stress on the liver

coming from someone who's natural :rolleyes:

6 weeks is fine, get bloodwork midway to check how you're doing, and run liver protection.

[Taurus]

bump for anymore input... especially on where i can buy pp from?

[Haro3]

6 weeks of an oral is too long thats a lot of stress on the liver
mmmmmmm parrot?


i ran 6 weeks dbol at 50mg ed then 6 more weeks of winny at 100mg ed and i was A-OK so ur theory doesnt work........and yea i got blood work done




but im not a big fan of SD it gave me gyno and PP just seemed like a waste of money to me didnt do much i ran both but if they work for you have at it. i'd run milk thistle for sure

[Taurus]

ive run 10 weeks of tbol/var before with no problems... so orals are ok with me.

got great results from sd but 3 weeks is too short... which is why i wanted to throw pp in there... if not then will continue with prop for 6 weeks!

[K.Biz]

coming from someone who's natural :rolleyes:

6 weeks is fine, get bloodwork midway to check how you're doing, and run liver protection.

6 weeks on 2 orals IS NOT fine. I personally wouldnt do it. way to much stress on the cholesterol, let alone the liver.

Also PP cant be run 20/30/30 It can be run 15/30/30.

[number twelve]

im on pp and sd right now. pp is garbage. unless you wanna get bloated.

[number twelve]

coming from someone who's natural :rolleyes:


who said jetsfan is natural? :wg:

[K.Biz]

im on pp and sd right now. pp is garbage. unless you wanna get bloated.

Agreed. I would of just done another SD cycle if i knew

[Taurus]

Agreed. I would of just done another SD cycle if i knew

pp jus puts on bloat eh. i thought it was similar to sd.

[number twelve]

it has very differant properties, it is much more androgenic, and the gains are not as dry.

[nyjetsfan86]

6 weeks on 2 orals IS NOT fine. I personally wouldnt do it. way to much stress on the cholesterol, let alone the liver.

Also PP cant be run 20/30/30 It can be run 15/30/30.

at least someone agrees with me

[nyjetsfan86]

who said jetsfan is natural? :wg:

this is very true i dont remember anyone saying that ive ran both pp and sd (not at the same time) took halodrol once but it was crap

[Taurus]

been doing a lot of research since i first posted.

pp (phera plex) seems to have the more muscle gains... but has androgenic sides. i cant find it anywhere, and i think its discontinued.

i have no put halodrol-50 liquigels into the equation. seems to be less harsh on the body with good lean gains. i can find it at ********.

am i on the right track. has anyone used the ******** version of halodrol... is it worth it? i've been reading there are some not so good clones.

[nyjetsfan86]

the gains from sd are def better than pp, more size on sd and a lot cleaner gains

[Taurus]

the gains from sd are def better than pp, more size on sd and a lot cleaner gains

ive read differing opinions. i jus wanna stack two of these orals for a 6 week cycle... and finish off with 4-6 weeks of prop ***ending on how i feel.

was thinkin of sd+pp but both seem to be harsh.

i'm thinkin of goin with the halodrol liquigel caps from bulknutri as i've read the gains are lean and its the least harsh of the pro-hormones.... but the problem is that i dont know if this halodrol is as potent as the original. anyone have experience with them?

[nyjetsfan86]

IMO halodrol sucks go with sd, ive taken all three and definatly got the best gains off sd and btw non of them are pro hormones

[Taurus]

IMO halodrol sucks go with sd, ive taken all three and definatly got the best gains off sd and btw non of them are pro hormones

i'm def takin sd for 3 weeks... jus tryin to figure out what to stack it with to extend it to 6 weeks!

[K.Biz]

i'm def takin sd for 3 weeks... jus tryin to figure out what to stack it with to extend it to 6 weeks!
if u can get the real thing? then why not go with a test prop and anavar? I would kill for some anavar


and NO IM NOT ASKING FOR A SOURCE :lol:

[Taurus]

if u can get the real thing? then why not go with a test prop and anavar? I would kill for some anavar


and NO IM NOT ASKING FOR A SOURCE :lol:

bro...honestly, i have done var, and tbol, and prop, and tren. none of them compared to sd... i can honestly say that. i did sd 2 yrs ago... and i jus feel like doin it again... jus felt like 4 weeks was too short... wanna extend it to 6 weeks to see how the gains are.

[K.Biz]

word. well do it up then, and let me know how it goes. honestly i would stick with only the SD. PP is garbage, i have been on it for 3 weeks. I would never do it again. SD I LOVE, so i understand where your comming from. I would do bloodwork afterwards at least.

[Taurus]

word. well do it up then, and let me know how it goes. honestly i would stick with only the SD. PP is garbage, i have been on it for 3 weeks. I would never do it again. SD I LOVE, so i understand where your comming from. I would do bloodwork afterwards at least.
thanks bro... will do some more research. still have 6 weeks before i start. i think the halodrol liquigels seem the way to go!

[K.Biz]

thanks bro... will do some more research. still have 6 weeks before i start. i think the halodrol liquigels seem the way to go!

dont do halo bro. Unless u can get the original halo that they banned. ever since they banned it, its been complete junk. they never got the clone down perfect like SD or PP.

If your trying to cut down you might want to think about stacking some winztrol ontop of it. i hear good things.

[Taurus]

dont do halo bro. Unless u can get the original halo that they banned. ever since they banned it, its been complete junk. they never got the clone down perfect like SD or PP.

If your trying to cut down you might want to think about stacking some winztrol ontop of it. i hear good things.

i read up on thw halo, and it isnt too good ur right. so the pp u are taking is an exact clone of the original? i cant believe its only 30 bucks... as well as the mass tabs.

i have the original sd... i bought two bottles when it first came out... so the sd is good.

[rar1015]

I did a 4 week cycle of pp and it worked great. I still havent taken sd but the guys i know that have done a cycle or two of it loved it. I wouldnt suggest taking both, not a good idea.

[nyjetsfan86]

it isnt not good to take both at the same time, it just wouldnt be good taking both for 6 weeks at a time

[Taurus]

it isnt not good to take both at the same time, it just wouldnt be good taking both for 6 weeks at a time


bit of a tongue twister but i think i deciphered it. ur saying that takin them both for a short period is ok, but takin them both for 6 weeks at a time is bad right.

i was only planning on doin 3 weeks of each, for a total of a six week cycle.

i have always known that the second time round with these products is not as good as ur firts. my first sd cycle was 2 yrs ago and it was great. i was thinkin maybe i should do the phera vol first as it will be new to me... i dont know. i have some tbol, maybe i'll jus do that!

[nyjetsfan86]

oh so you arent taking both for 6 weeks, if you take one for 3 weeks and another for 3 weeks it will be a little hard on the liver but you should be ok

[K.Biz]

oh so you arent taking both for 6 weeks, if you take one for 3 weeks and another for 3 weeks it will be a little hard on the liver but you should be ok

yeah, you should be fine. if you reaaallly want to take the PP I would suggest running it for the first 3 weeks, and then run the SD for the last 3 weeks. This will give you time to lean out those gains and drop that water weight, and really show you how much better PP is then SD. I had a crappy experience with it I guess. some people loved it, I think it sucked but. Let us know your review afterwards.

[Taurus]

yeah, you should be fine. if you reaaallly want to take the PP I would suggest running it for the first 3 weeks, and then run the SD for the last 3 weeks. This will give you time to lean out those gains and drop that water weight, and really show you how much better PP is then SD. I had a crappy experience with it I guess. some people loved it, I think it sucked but. Let us know your review afterwards.

this is what i plan to do. i'll be taking l-dex for the water weight. i'll finish off with 4-6 weeks of prop... i always take prop for a few weeks after an oral cycle as it helps my recovery.

are the supplements the same for the pp as the sd? is there something i should take whilst on pp that i didint take during my pp cycle?

[K.Biz]

this is what i plan to do. i'll be taking l-dex for the water weight. i'll finish off with 4-6 weeks of prop... i always take prop for a few weeks after an oral cycle as it helps my recovery.

are the supplements the same for the pp as the sd? is there something i should take whilst on pp that i didint take during my pp cycle?

same support @ the same dosage.

[Taurus]

when i did sd the first time around, my heart rate was up there. should i stay away from cardio?

have people done cardio whilst on pp and sd?

[K.Biz]

yes, you should be doing cardio. Even though your resting heart rate and or bp is higher, cardio is still healthy for you

[Taurus]

yes, you should be doing cardio. Even though your resting heart rate and or bp is higher, cardio is still healthy for you

i'm a lil worried about the bloat from the pp... so i'm hopin the l-dex and cardio will help with that.

[RANA]

i'm a lil worried about the bloat from the pp... so i'm hopin the l-dex and cardio will help with that.
Cardio is a must, I did 2 cycles of PP and I never bloated