LookingToCut's BEFORE/AFTER 1st Cycle Pics!!!!

[LookingtoCut]

Well guys, here is the thread I kept talking about...The one with my before/after pics...For those of you who do not know me...here was my cycle...It was my FIRST cycle.....

Weeks 1-10 : TTokkyo EQ ( 400mg/week )
Weeks 1-11: Brovel T200 ( 400mg/week )
Weeks 8-13: Denkall Winny ( 50mg/ED )

I had incredible strength gains...My max went from roughly 215 lbs up to 375 lbs.........

Well, lets get on with the pics...here is my BEFORE back pic.....

[LookingtoCut]

Before Bi's

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Before Front/abs

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AFTER Back

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AFTER Bi's

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AFTER Back/Tri

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AFTER Chest

[eradikate]

damn bro! nice gains man! i beenn waiting for your before and after pics. good stuff man. you're arms and everything got alot bulkier!

[Gene]

excellent strength gains. great job, bro!

[Terinox]

Very good, nice gains, change is def. noticable! Keep up the good work!

[LookingtoCut]

Thanks for all the comments guys.......Keep em commin from ALL you guys who kept up with my diary...There should be 100 replies from this at least!!! Come on and everyone give me your honest opinion/input...

Now I just wanna cut the fat and get shredded like Alevok...lol.....

Eating clean, and will start hydroxicut after Clomid......

Eradikate - whats up bro...I dont see you on AOL anymore...I finally got the pics up!!!!

Gene - thank you, i was amazed myself with strength

Terniox - thanks a ton brotha...always been supportive and a great guy on the boards....thanks for your comments!

[freak of the week]

Damn looks awesome especially chest!!! How did calves do lol

[LabTec1984]

Look great, keep it up dude.

[Needtobeswoledup]

Great gains, real noticeable diff between before and after... what kind of weight gains did u have?

[BELLICOSE]

Originally posted by LookingtoCut
Thanks for all the comments guys.......Keep em commin from ALL you guys who kept up with my diary...There should be 100 replies from this at least!!! Come on and everyone give me your honest opinion/input...



Honest? Ok, here we go. Your strength gains were great! Very impressive. However, you don't look like you're 225. If i had to guess, i would say you weighed 190. There is a difference from before to after, but it seems like you just filled out. If i were you, i would have waited and filled out naturally. However, i am the one to talk since i am on and only 17. However, when you see my pics, you will understand. I got a couple q's.
How much bf did you gain?
How big are your arms and waist before and after?
How the hell did you bench 315 8 times?

I'm jealous of the strength bro.

You said be honest, and i have been following your thread, and that's what i think. This was not meant to flame. You asked for honest, so i'm not gonna lie through my teeth and say i'm shocked at your size.

[Pete235]

LTC...you already know what I think bro. Great work, keep at it!! As far as leaning out, spend the next several months eating clean, using a good eca and keeping at cardio (don't go too overboard with cardio as you risk going catabolic). After a nice layoff, you may want to consider an EQ/prop/winstrol cycle.

[Vegas Kid]

Great job, you're looking good.

[Jamisun]

I am with bellicose, you had a lot of natural growing to do. You had not come close to your first natural plateau. You got good results, you are looking a lot thicker, but that is to be expected. Now I would lay off the juice and hit it naturally. Creatine, glutamine, and a good diet. You could easily put on 20-30 pounds in 2 years. Then your muscles would mature, a cycle at that point would be incredible. Anyway, much props, looking good, keep lifitng.

[dizzle]

Definetly thicker bro. Awesome strength gains. But as some of the other bros said, by looking at your body type and frame, you could have gained a bit more naturally. Good luck off cycle, and keep training hard.

[LookingtoCut]

Thanks for your HONEST opinon guys...However, I disagree....I did put on ALOT of size while on my cycle...You may not notice in pictures, but the mirror tells it all...Some people dont always look the same in pictures.....Anyways, Everyone who has seen me thinks I got enormous, so there must be something your not seeing/noticing.....As you know, I went from 193 lbs to 225 lbs ( as of today )......I'm very happy with those results, and yes, my strength gains were incredible......

AZLifer, last time I had my bf% checked, it actually went DOWN while on my cycle.....since then, I have bulked up some, so I'm not exactly sure.....I should be able to cut back down and be shredded within 2-3 months.....

As far as benching 315 8 times, I have no ****in clue how I did it..but it felt good! Keep up with my diary guys...I'm still posting there too...Dont give up on me yet...

-LTC

P.S Thanks for all the comments guys

[chinups]

225?

[2Big4you]

Good gains, congrats,
First I challange your integrity on a issue. you say off of this cycle you went from 215 to 375- I highly doubt it.. maybe 215 to 275 for 1 rep..
You say you disagree with everyone, and that everyone says you look huge and etc... well when you start out as a bean stock and then you put on 20 pounds lets say in 2 months, of course everyone is gonna say you got big.
Also your coment on you pics, sorry but pics do show your real size, I am not bragging but look at my pics at 212lbs and your pics at 225!

this is no flame but you need to listen to everyone when we say you should train natually first to get a real base before you use or you wont reach your potential! If you ask any pro they will tell you they had a least 2 years natual before getting involved with gear.

[nuke]

You look great bro. If you think you've made the gains thats all that matters.....One more cycle and you'll be jamming dawg !

Good Job.

[RockSolid]

you def got some good results, and yes pictures really dont show how big you are, they tend to changes things,

but how tall are you?

[LookingtoCut]

Well, I'm sorry to say but pictures DO change the way somebody looks....I must appear much bigger in person......I am 6'2, which plays a huge roll it in as well...Not like you little short guys......Anyways, I dont care if you believe me or not about my bench to be honest...Before my cycle I was getting 215 up for 1 rep....I also didnt train as hard while on my cycle...Last Monday, I hit 315 8 times, so please dont talk like you know me or anything about me....It would be better if you didnt make stupid comments....Thank you guys..For those of you who gave me an honest answer, I appreciate your comments.....Its sad sometimes there have to be these people who like to ruin someones pride and talk shit............see ya soon...

-LTC

YES, I weigh 227 pounds today.......you heard right..227 ****in pounds.

[BELLICOSE]

its not so much the lack of size, but a lack of development.

[LookingtoCut]

Hey Bellicose, I seem to be a ton more developed than you brotha....What are you weighing 170? Come on man, keep your stupid foolish comments to yourself...I'd like a MOD to check into this because it seems some serious flaming is goin on.......

-LTC

[BELLICOSE]

Originally posted by LookingtoCut
Hey Bellicose, I seem to be a ton more developed than you brotha....What are you weighing 170? Come on man, keep your stupid foolish comments to yourself...I'd like a MOD to check into this because it seems some serious flaming is goin on.......

-LTC
I weigh the same as you do 225 and i am 17 years old.
I am just saying that you look like you can gain much more muscle on your frame. If you fully developed your muscle, you might be able to hold 250lbs on your frame. No need to get pissed just cause i didn't pat you on the back.

[LookingtoCut]

Its not about you not patting me on the back, like you said....And by looking at your pics, honestly, you certainly look about 170...I am 225 and I am a ton thicker than you, imo....Anyways, I am also 6'2 and 19 yrs old by the way...I've come A LONG way in the past year....Check out my pics as of January that I have posted in one of my old threads...Maybe then you'll give some respect..

[LookingtoCut]

I didnt see your picture yet when you had the first post up...Only your Avatar...You have decent size...and you are lot more shredded than me, I give you that, however, I am still extremely happy with my results I obtained from my cycle.....

[LookingtoCut]

Also, Please REMOVE your photo from my thread please...Thank you, I wouldn't jump in on your threads
I appreciate it.

[Pete235]

OK guys...this has gone far enough. Lets knock it off. You all know the drill, if you have nothing positive or constructive to say, then don't bother posting...period. Maybe LTC should have waited a few years and maybe he should have tried to put on more naturally, but it's a mute point since his cycle is over and it produced obvious results. He may be young but at least he has spent many hours reading and researching and he was safe and logical in the way he approached this...and safety is our main concern. So lets stop the name calling and the schoolyard bickering and get back to what we love...lifting, eating, growing.

BTW...Bellicose...you don't look 225lbs either bro. No flame, just an observation.

[chinups]

You did a great job regardless, and the strength, you can't tell from someones size how much they bench (although that is big boy weight). I think it is that everyone was expecting some monster to show up on there screen. I mean I read your post's and damn I was waiting for Arnold to show up on my screen. 227 just hard to believe, especially when we are looking at it. Keep working. But you know what I say **** everyone.

GREAT GAINS
GREAT JOB

[BELLICOSE]

im 6'1", so don't play that height game with me, and you say i look 170lbs?
Can anyone else post, who is more developed, muscular, defined?

Progress is all that matters bro. My avatar was taken approx 1 year ago, i was 190 then. I think i've changed alot since then. I'll try to find those pics you posted before. As long as your progressing man, just seems like 25 pounds of lbm would look more dramatic.

[BELLICOSE]

screw it, i guess your right Pete, the damage has already been done.

The pic is gone bro, didn't mean to upstage you.

[LookingtoCut]

Pete- thanks a ton for your help brotha...Your a great guy and thanks again for re-sizing my pics...Sorry if you feel I got out of hand, but I took offense to the comments I was reading....My apologies to you...Thanks again for always keeping things right....

Chinups- Sorry to dissapoint you man, but I mentioned tons of times I was not "shredded " or anything...I still had some fat to lose....But, I do weigh 227 lbs as of today, all jokes aside...I can understand why people would expect a huge guy, but thats me, and I'm proud...Thanks again bro, great kind words, mean alot.....

[LookingtoCut]

Bellicose - how much are you putting up if you want to make this a competition....When you are pushing 375, come talk to me....Thanks brotha....I'm ending this...I'm not playing your childish games..If you dont have anything positive to say, than please respect my thread enough to keep your comments to yourself.

[chinups]

I don't knock on anyone. Not in this field anyway. You did imporve BIG TIME!

G luck

[BELLICOSE]

why does everyone use bench to measure manhood?
Now that were on the topic, i put up 315 as a max
I'm not too proud of that, but i am proud of other lifts i do. Real lifts, power lifts.
Power Clean 290
clean and jerk 265
deadlift 450

Bench aint really my thing, but my chest is still bowed out for some reason

[nuke]

Bros, I think you have to learn how to "talk" on the boards !!!!
Pete- Youre 1000 % correct
Bellicose- I know you sort of and your typing style can be taken as rude and obnoxious, even though I KNOW YOU ARENT !!!!!
Just be sensitive it takes a lot to post man !!
Chinups- Good for you bro, post your thought and move on, no need to start a war over PERCEPTION !

[AZlifter]

Drama, Drama, Drama -- **** that!

LTC -- Very noticeable gains and looking a lot thicker bro. You did a good job and that's what matters. Keep up the diet, hard training, and good resting and you'll reach your goals in no time man. You are headed in the right direction brotha......don't let anyone steer you off course. Be proud of your accomplishments :)

Peace,
AZ

[BELLICOSE]

do you have any before/after measurements?(ie..thighs,chest,calves)

[LookingtoCut]

I do have measurements however they are at my other house from before I moved......

One thing I do know is that my bi's grew 1.5" on cycle...They were 14.5 ( yes I know that is small ), and now are a little bigger than 16".

Thanks for the comments brothas......

[BELLICOSE]

1.5"!!!
That's a large increase, i can only hope to add that much on my cycle

[mexicali]

LTC,

good results man. I'm not on here to question if someone is lying about how much weight they can press, and frankly i dont know why anyone would lie anyhow. From reading your journal it is obvious you spent alot of time posting the details of your cycle and progress you were making for all of us and i enjoyed reading it.

you might not look 225 in the pics, but its pretty obvious you are. And i do agree with you, pics sometimes change the way we look. I know i have looked at threads on here at least 50 times with pics of people and read a reply about them not looking as big as they sound or looking much bigger. anyhow, good luck post cycle

[Aragorn]

Good job on the cycle LTC

Aragorn

[eradikate]

LTC, you're a good bro dude and i know you're telling the truth. Lookin real thick now man! im jealous! i was benching more than you before you started your cycle!! just keep up with the diet dude. good luck on your maintaining. and damn, good gains man

[projectsherv]

Bro, you made some serious gains, benching 315? thats crazy. Dont listen to other people flaming, get rid of the excess bf and you will be crazy looking. btw, becareful because hydroxycut will make you weaker. I was on it 3 pills twice a day for like 3 weeks and it did cut my fat but it also cut my strength, could have had something to do with the low carb diet i had also, heh.

[swoll]

LTC... looks like you made some good gains and strength went up crazy! But i guess i have to be the uncool one and said i agree with BELLICOSE. Maybe should have waited to juice BUT im not taking away that you still gained mass.
Keep lifting :lift:

[alevok]

Nice mass development, thicker upper body.
As long as you are happy with your gains then who cares. You are following the right path.
Keep it up

[Rictor33]

You look good, you have put on some good size. Not as thick as I expected, but hell pictures dont always tell the truth. Im happy you feel good about your progress and thats all that counts in the end. I think its just harder to look real big when ur tall.

[MIKE_XXL]

I must agree here wityh one thing, i will pay money to see you bench press 375lbs for 1 rep in good form, and i will also pay money to see you do 315 for 8reps, with no spoter doing the work and your lower back on the bench...this is no flame, just comperison, i am 195lbs in the pic in my avatar, i am far more developed then you (yes i know i am only 5' 9" tall) and i don't do those numbers, was the weight on the flat bench, with an olimpic bar, or hammer strength equipment because i can do almost twice the weight on the hammer strength then regural bench...

Good luck in the future...XXL

[NoLimits]

To me... weights are just numbers! Who cares who can lift what numbers..? You don't have a tattoo on your back stating "hey, I can bench ###lbs" So when you walk around the beach or anywhere without a shirt on... People can say, wow, you can bench that!!! They are just numbers... and everyone has them, and yes they are all different. Unless you are lifting for competition... It just doesn't matter. I don't think it even needs to be stated unless you are in the Power-lifting Forum!!! If you judge your success by those numbers, your missing out on the big picture. Judge yourself by the way you look in the mirror, by the way you feel and by your progress in the gym. Not the numbers themselves. So let it go…

LTC, if you are happy... so be it!

[LookingtoCut]

Mike, honestly brotha, I don't care what you think. Maybe if you would have followed my diary, you would have read that I put up 315 8 times on my fourth set WITH a spot. Yes, WITH a spot. I got 4-5 up by myself. I dont care what you guys believe or not. NoLimits is 100% correct, they are just #'s. I dont care about how much I bench, I judge by the mirror, and I have gained a LOT of size on my cycle, now I just need to shred up. Mike, you are a great guy, with TONS of useful info, and helped me out alot, but please dont flame how much I can lift bro...And yes, you are more developed than me...I only wish I could be as ripped as you and have abs like you.

[chinups]

Let have a bench athon!!!! LOL

Does anyone use DB's anymore?
I never hear people say I blew up th 130's and shit like that?
Why just Barbell?

[WanaKnowMore]

damn good work bro.. Keep it up !!!

[nuke]

Im with ya. I 'd much rather do dumbells... But bench is a staple Chinups.

[ebaker3]

Thought you lost me huh? Well I've kept track and I'm impressed with your gains. Some folks may disagree on your new found weight but they should realize your height is 6' 1-2" which is a lot of body to fill out. I'm a 5'9" (natural) and it's tough for me to get around 210 and still stay lean. After seeing your results along with a few others I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to take the plunge. After my show in a few weeks it's on to a new world. I've done my homework and will continue to educate myself along the way.

One question: Are you going to go natural for awhile or go for another cycle?

I appreciate the time and effort you put into your diary and I'm willing to bet a few of the other bros are to.

Good Job!

[LookingtoCut]

Ebaker, thanks for the kind words man. I thought you dissapeared on me. To answer your question, I am taking 5-6 months off, and then I am planning on hitting another cycle.

2nd cycle : Prop/EQ/Winny/Fina

I am going to maintain what I've gained from this cycle for about a month, eating LOTS but eating CLEAN. Then I will start cardio,ECA, and cutting calories slowly to shred up.

I appreciate everything. Yes, at 6'2 it is a lot harder to fill out, and I am proud of myself and did a good job.

[BELLICOSE]

it might be harder to fill out, but once you do you'll look like a monster!!!

[Little Jonah]

wow looking awsome man

[llbeastcd]

Been gone awhile, but this post is worth delurking for. First, I can't believe the time, energy, and dedication LTC has put into his training over the last 8 months or so... not to mention the money. Shit bro... to keep a training diary like that... how in the world do you find all that time...LOL.

At the time LTC was considering his first cycle, I was against it... for one, I don't know nothin about gear, but more importantly, like the others have said, I do believe one should try and hit their natural potential first and then consider a cycle (if that is their choice)... but only after several years of training and knowledge in the field. And I still think that.

So much for that. He did it anyway...and honestly speaking, when LTC said he could bring up that much weight after one cycle... I was damn jealous. I have been training on and off over the last 10 years, more seriously in the last two and I know that I'll never be able to bring that much metal up... no matter what. Never. So much for the negatives and don't take it as a flame.

The positives... The kid's got heart and if I know that he will be freakin huge one day because he has put so much time into this. I wish I could have that much time and dedication to devote to this. Over time, LTC will gain more and more knowledge and be able to train SMART and efficient. I only wish the best for him because he's a good guy who DOES listen to what others have to say and is very "coachable". So, to the others... don't flame... TEACH.

LTC... WTG man. I know you're very pleased with your results. Enjoy the cloud you are on. Just remember to be safe and in control and learn as much as you can and continue to pick all the brains like you have.

Good luck, Bro.

[MIKE_XXL]

Originally posted by LookingtoCut
Mike, honestly brotha, I don't care what you think. Maybe if you would have followed my diary, you would have read that I put up 315 8 times on my fourth set WITH a spot. Yes, WITH a spot. I got 4-5 up by myself. I dont care what you guys believe or not. NoLimits is 100% correct, they are just #'s. I dont care about how much I bench, I judge by the mirror, and I have gained a LOT of size on my cycle, now I just need to shred up. Mike, you are a great guy, with TONS of useful info, and helped me out alot, but please dont flame how much I can lift bro...And yes, you are more developed than me...I only wish I could be as ripped as you and have abs like you.

That was not a flame Bro, but i know what 385 pounds feels like and the shit is heavy and i can't lift that...hey quite frankly i don't care how much you lift, because i am a bodybuilder not powerlifter...so as long as you are happy with the results, i am happy for you as well...keep pumping...XXL

[LookingtoCut]

LLBeast- Whats up man? Where have you been?!?! You need to come on AOL more often so we can chat....I thought you dissapeared...Before I ever considered juice, and I was trying to lose fat from when I was overweight, LLBeast inspired me to bust my ass and work hard...I owe it to him...if it wasn't for his consistent motivation, I dont know where I would be..Probably fat as hell eating pizza and ice cream...Thanks once again for all your kind words brotha...You are a great guy, and EXTREMELY straight forwards.....Its nice to know you are still pumping the weights hard...I want to see some pics of you now!!! So come on and chat sometimes........

MikeXXL- thanks again brotha...I dont care either about how much I can lift...I was just shocked, thats all. You are VERY developed, and pretty ****in shredded....Exactly how I would LOVE to be....so you are an inspiration/motivation as well.....thanx a ton....HELP ME WITH MY DIET MIKE!!!! You are ****in ripped, so your diet must be perfect...I need the help, just finished cycle, and need to SHRED up now after a month or so when I'm done with Clomid...I need to MAINTAIN until then.

[babi]

hey guys what happened to lil modesty everybody talking like a hot shot here.Looking to cut you have come a long way bro you should be proud of yourself big big change but you still have a lot of room to grow and improve.strength, i have hard time believing you lift almost twice as much after just one cycle anyway i truly truly hope that thats true so i can use this as motivation for me to lift more (at least we will know that this kind of gains are possible)dont get comfortable with where you at right now keep up the greed you are still very young who knows maybe by the time you are 25 you be like 270-280 ripped and then you will put all your crtitics to rest(bellicose)lol

[LookingtoCut]

Hey guys, I'm still here...I was out of town for the weekend so I didn't get a chance to post...I went to Orlando with my girl, and went to Sea World...It was awesome! Anyways, I am weighing 220 lbs as of this morning.....I think I have lost almost all the water I was holding from my cycle.....I put this under another thread, but didnt get a response, so I'll ask again here......

Do you think it would help me shred up if I take Clen/ECA when I finish Clomid? I want to maintain throughout Clomid, and then hit the cardio and Clen/ECA ( 2 weeks on, 2 weeks hydroxicut )....With diet and cardio, I should get pretty shredded without risking TOO much mass/strength...Correct?

Please help, thanx guys..BUMP to the top.

[alevok]

Correct but dont do too much cardio, that may cause catabolism. (happened to me) I love hydroxycut, that shit really works. For me even better results than ECA. But still clenbuterol is the king of the road! Dont forget to eat 8-9 small clean meals. Add glutamine and creatine to your protein shakes (twice daily). Stay away from milk and diary products. Eat just one apple a day (in the morning) Eat oatmeal as your primary carb source. Eat lots of egg whites, chicken breast, salmon, tuna.....
Good Luck bro
Keep us updated

[LookingtoCut]

Alevok- Thanks brotha...That diet you described sounds like EXACTLY what I ate last time I ran clenbuterol....LOL.....Oatmeal for carbs, chicken, turkey, etc for protein...I drink 3 shakes/day......Do you guys think that 30min 4x/week is good for cardio? Too much?

BUMP once more......

BTW, I put up 300lbs 6 times today!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BELLICOSE]

Are you counting assisted reps?
How many reps were performed with your spotter providing no assistance?

[Nate_Dog]

No offence bro but you should really have developed a better base before you hit the gear,... A good solid natural base.

To many new jacks are just to keen to get on the gear.

No flame intended...! JMO!

[BullDogg20]

LTC I congrate you if you did make those accomplishments,
But i gotta tell ya going from 215-375 in one cycle well thats near impossible to do. You just gotta understand one thing when some people dont believe you that you pressed 375 because that hell of alot of weight to do, and No offence you arnt really that Built yet. Yes you look good and you have put some great size on, but your fram just doesnt look like it could push 375 or 315 for 8 reps. Maybe you did do it, or maybe it exageration, whatever it is Be proud of your accomplishments.

You look good bro keep the hard work and dedication up

[MR ARMAGEDON]

first off good job. you put on some very noticable mass. but dude you are kidding yourself if you think you can put up that much weight that many times on the bench. come on!

[BIG TEXAN]

Damn......(join the band wagon and critisize LTC or tell him good job on his gains.....) what to do, what to do.

LTC- looking good brotha! 315 for 8 is a lot of weight....if ya did I bow down to you, hell I'm barly getting for 4 without a spot. Either way you're looking good. So is this a " I can bench this much thread" or a "LTC's results thread"?

[FKNMONSTER]

great gains Bro, we can all see a good improvement, now unless you're like 6'6" i cant see you weighing 225 in those pics?? here a pic of me at 18 years old at 225lbs, I'm 6'1

[broncojosh]

Descent results bro. Looks like it did what it was suppost too. I'm guessing you have killer legs? I'm 245 at your height, around 13%bf, and well you can look at my pics. I'm guessing you have huge legs, and that's where you hold alot of your weight. Throw up a pic of'm. I'm also impressed with your strength increases...shit, my arms are pushing 19", chest almost 51" and my bench is only in the 405-415lb range. Your numbers are truely amazing.

[saboudian]

I don't see why anyone would get so defensive when someone flames their results. When i plan to start posting pix, i want the flames. I get sick of hearing " hey bro u look great" and shit like that. I want to hear stuff like " your chest needs more size to match your arms" or "u need a better base". When ppl tell u how good u look, it really doesn't help you at all. It seems like every time someones offers some criticism to you LTC, u take it extremely personally. Trust me, i put my time in the gym too and when someone tells me i need to work on something, it hurts, but u have to understand that it is for the better. I don't know why u say stuff like " well u ain't so great yourself", just take the criticism, understand what you have to work on and move on.

I think its fairly obvious and u should expect ppl to tell u that your base is not strong enough and u have not met your natural barriers yet. Thats why everyone is so against using juice so early on, cuz there's no way that by time that u're 22 u will have already reached your genetic potential. You have so much growing to do naturally that u don't need the juice yet, and by using it anyways before your body is ready, i'm sure you are already of the unfortunate consequences that may not be obvious right now, but they are still there. Patience really can pay off.

[z28man]

Suboudian is correct. I cant wait to post my pics of after cycle so people can tell me what to work on, not build my ego, I can do that on my own. Dont get me wrong, compliments are great, but critisism is much more usefull. Use it as fuel in the gym. It seems like many guys are posting pics lately and get so damn defensive, whats the point? By posting pictures youre opening yourself to critisism, if you cant take it, dont post. I think the reason people dont believe or appreciate the exaggeration of numbers is because we've been puttin in work for years, on or off juice, and I think its agreed its almost damn near impossible to nearly double your bench in so short of time. But maybe youre a freak, anythings possible. Others on juice work just as hard and only get half as much strength and thats considered good gains. There is the fact that you didnt work out much before and when you cycled you gave it 100%, so that might explain the crazy strength gains. I do think you should have waited as your base was very small and you were no where near your natural potential. I wonder how well you'll be able to keep the gains but it does seem like you know what youre doing so you should be able to do whats necesary to hold onto them. Height can make things decieving but the guy who posted above was about as tall and much thicker. No matter what though, be proud of yourself as you have come very far by judging the pics. Your back needs work, but again, just CONSTRUCTIVE critisism.

[fliprock]

I agree with saboudian!
and why the f*ck did belliclose get banned?

[love2lift]

You deffinetely made some noticeable gains.... great Job
Just curious....how did the legs do on the cycle? any before and afters?
Peace

[Strut99GT]

Just to chime in with what some bro's were saying earlier in the thread, if you put 315 up 5 times unassisted, but go to 8, then you put up 315 5 times, NOT 8! Assisted reps don't count when it comes to bragging numbers! Having said that, you are still putting up huge numbers! I'm also curious to see some leg pics. And just to back you up on the weight thing, I definintely believe that you weight 225 if you're 6'2''. One of my friends is 6'3'', and he weighs 220, and he is NOT built at all (not fat either). He just has a large, heavy frame. Some people just weigh more than others (like me, LOL).

[clockworks]

Originally posted by Strut99GT
Just to chime in with what some bro's were saying earlier in the thread, if you put 315 up 5 times unassisted, but go to 8, then you put up 315 5 times, NOT 8! Assisted reps don't count when it comes to bragging numbers!
totally agree, A. when i went to cali, i worked out with my sister and one of her friends. the friend went to bench 225lbs with one of his friends spotting. he couldn't get a single rep...the bar went down, hit his chest, and he pushed for about 6 seconds and got it 2 inches off his chest before his friend/spotter helped him get 10 reps. i was kinda embarrassed. shit, i can't curl much, but i can curl like 60lbs pretty easily...and if the spotter is pulling pretty hard on the bar (which he was), that 225lbs can quickly go down to 165lbs. funny thing is, i'm sure this guy tells people he reps at 225lbs...hehe.

yeah, i know this has nothing to do with the thread topic, sorry for the off topic post...=)

i hate posting stories like this, i'm always scared the person i'm talking about is a member or something...;)

-- clocky baby

[nynsb]

Your avatar indicates to me that you are smoking too much pot which inhibits your bodies ability to produce testosterone and build muscle
It would also explain the small layer of fat on the belly.
Have you heard the term "Pot Belly"???

[kurtzhurtz]

O.K. gains.
I think you should probably wait a while before doing another cycle. keep up the good work.

saboudian: "I get sick of hearing 'hey bro u look great" and shit like that."

hahaha, FINALLY!!! someone else feels the same way I do. Positivity is great guys, but you'll never know your flaws if your afraid to hear the whole truth.

kurtz

[juicehoe]

Originally posted by kurtzhurtz
O.K. gains.
I think you should probably wait a while before doing another cycle. keep up the good work.

saboudian: "I get sick of hearing 'hey bro u look great" and shit like that."

hahaha, FINALLY!!! someone else feels the same way I do. Positivity is great guys, but you'll never know your flaws if your afraid to hear the whole truth.

kurtz

wow this post was brought up from the dead lol. I agree kurtzhurtz

[Pete235]

Originally posted by juicehoe
wow this post was brought up from the dead lol.

Yes, some people have way too much time on their hands.

[gundam675]

?????? that bench is funny !

[gundam675]

well i wont bullshit u, nice transformation, but i think u just filled out. looking at t he before and after pics i would say that u really didnt train too much naturally before cycling. but i dont know for sure, just a quick shot! and wow man, thats an impressive bench, 375 is ur max, at 6'2???????? and 315 for 8 ?????? Honesty anybody. but i dont wanan flame, i think we all might be jealous at such massive gains in strength! and its funny cause u didnt even use d-bol or anabol. the power of juice !!! he good luck in the future bro !

[stillsmall]

i really really dont' like flaming people but at the saemtime it's my responsibility to tell it like it is... 6'2" is not THAT bad of a height.. people are saying shit like ... "6'2 is a lot of room to cover.. he is DEFINITELY 225"... errr.. .BULL... i'm 6'1" 208 right now... it does not look that bad... trust me...

[clockworks]

Originally posted by stillsmall
i really really dont' like flaming people but at the saemtime it's my responsibility to tell it like it is... 6'2" is not THAT bad of a height.. people are saying shit like ... "6'2 is a lot of room to cover.. he is DEFINITELY 225"... errr.. .BULL... i'm 6'1" 208 right now... it does not look that bad... trust me...
i gotta agree with stillsmall. but furthermore, if you do weigh that much, you don't look nearly as muscularly developed as stillsmall or mike_xxl...which leads me to believe you can't lift nearly as much as them.

stillsmall is near you height, but weighs 20 lbs less...but i'd still bet money he can lift more than you, even though he doesn't claim his bench to be so high...

the number are just kinda hard to believe...

-- c

[LookingtoCut]

Hey fellow AR's, I'm back. It's been about 8-10 months since I have eveb visited the site, and I'm SHOCKED my thread has still been around, especially with over 6,000 views! Listen, I'm sorry for getting offensive to all the constructive comments. I like them, and it was my fault for getting angry at things, it just seems as if everybody was critisizing my gains. Well, its been a year now since my cycle, and I'm weighing 205. I got very sick, and did not train for 2 months. REALLY ****ING SUCKS! I'm extremely pissed about it, but I'm getting back on the right track. I'll be going back to Tallahassee ( for school ) next week, and from then on, the entire year, its back to the weights and the diet on TRACK.

I have decided to go NATURAL for EVER I will not be taking any more AS, at least not for the next 10 years or so, and I'm still not planning on even taking in the future, but who knows, things can change.

I am 20 years old, and have PLENTY of growing to do naturally. I'm about 13-14% BF right now, which is majorly dissapointing. My goal is to hit 210, and about 9-10% BF. I believe this could be achieved naturally w/ my proper diet and working out religiously again.

I have gotten my blood work re-tested, and everything came back 100% perfect, except for my test levels. Not sure why, but they are still low, but slowly getting better. My total test was only 300!

Should I take more clomid ( even though its been a year since cycle? ), Maybe some HCG just to get test levels back to their max? I don't want the lower test levels to hinder my natural gains!

Sorry for the LONG post, but its my first time back in AGES, and wanted to keep everyone updated. Good luck, KEEP LIFTING, and WHATS UP TO ALL MY BRO's who helped me out along the way!

I'll be back quite frequently again, so look out for me!!!!!

-LTC

[gundam675]

throw in some hcg, maybe 5000 - 7000 iu.

sorry to hear that u got sick man !
just start back again and rebuild !

stay hungry !

good luck !

[Conan The Destroyer]

Good Work,
I can only hope my cycle will produce large gains in size and strength as yours did.However , mine is a bit more simple than yours was. Just 10 weeks of Organon Deca 2ml a week and Organon Durotestin 2 amps a week for 10 weeks as well.
Good Luck Man. :strong:

[fsufanatik]

you could bench 215 once and after cycle 375 eight times? Did I read that correctly?

[gundam675]

i thought it was 315 8 times, unless he changed his story, or it was a lie ? anyways this is a very old thread, like a year old or so !

[juicehoe]

it is very old... let it go.

[LookingtoCut]

Now I remember the reason I stopped comming to AR. I make a post after a year or so of not being on the site, to let people know an update about me and how things have been going on. Obviously, nobody gives a shit.

Anyhow, I thought people would commend the fact I have decided to stay natural, etc. Unfortunately, I get stupid comments as if I am "lying" or changing my story. Let me re-cap.

ON MY CYCLE :

YES, I put up 315 for 8 reps WITH A SPOT ( I know you guys do not count spots, but thats what I did )

YES, I did weigh 230 lbs when finished, whether you believe me or not. I'm not here to argue, I loved everybody on AR, and every here always treated me with respect. It seems ever since this thread, people have despised on me, and now I am no longer worth anything to the AR community. Having said that, this will be my LAST POST here on AR, as I will no longer be around again.

For all you good bro's, Pete, MikeXXL, LLBeast, PaPa, etc thanks for everything. You were truly an inspiration.

GOODBYE TO AR!

For everyone else, good luck with your cycles, etc, and I hope you all achieve the goals you are looking for.

[juicehoe]

Now I remember the reason I stopped comming to AR. I make a post after a year or so of not being on the site, to let people know an update about me and how things have been going on. Obviously, nobody gives a shit.

Anyhow, I thought people would commend the fact I have decided to stay natural, etc. Unfortunately, I get stupid comments as if I am "lying" or changing my story. Let me re-cap.

ON MY CYCLE :

YES, I put up 315 for 8 reps WITH A SPOT ( I know you guys do not count spots, but thats what I did )

YES, I did weigh 230 lbs when finished, whether you believe me or not. I'm not here to argue, I loved everybody on AR, and every here always treated me with respect. It seems ever since this thread, people have despised on me, and now I am no longer worth anything to the AR community. Having said that, this will be my LAST POST here on AR, as I will no longer be around again.

For all you good bro's, Pete, MikeXXL, LLBeast, PaPa, etc thanks for everything. You were truly an inspiration.

GOODBYE TO AR!

For everyone else, good luck with your cycles, etc, and I hope you all achieve the goals you are looking for.

:cry:

[BigGreen]

why all the drama lately? I don't understand why people are so quick to react. I am ignored daily on this board...which is probably a good thing, because if people started paying attention to *everything* I said, a lot of things would add up awfully quickly, and I'd not only be banned, but arrested as well...possibly deported - a first for a native born american.