Help want to double check my PCT

[DrJ]

am finishing up a 8 week cycle of deca, winny and proviron and I want to do my PCT as follows and am wondering if it's correct?

HCG 1,000 iu everyday for 2 weeks starting after my last shot with either proviron or nolvadex (reason of 2 weeks is that I read you should stop HCG 6-7 days before starting clomid in PCT)

then 3 weeks after my last deca shot start clomid 100mg a day with nolvadex 20mg a day for 4 weeks and was thinking an AI also (proviron), but I don't know if it's too many things to take together for PCT of 4 weeks

anyone have an opinion please respond I need help on this thanks

[Njord]

am finishing up a 8 week cycle of deca, winny and proviron and I want to do my PCT as follows and am wondering if it's correct?

HCG 1,000 iu everyday for 2 weeks starting after my last shot with either proviron or nolvadex (reason of 2 weeks is that I read you should stop HCG 6-7 days before starting clomid in PCT)

then 3 weeks after my last deca shot start clomid 100mg a day with nolvadex 20mg a day for 4 weeks and was thinking an AI also (proviron), but I don't know if it's too many things to take together for PCT of 4 weeks

anyone have an opinion please respond I need help on this thanks

I would run the pct as you have suggested with the following changes: Run the hcg at 500iu's/day (1000 seems too much). Run the Proviron with the Clomid and Nolva. Might need more then 4 weeks to recover from the deca.

Why did you choose a deca and winny cycle?

[RapaciousShark]

I would run the pct as you have suggested with the following changes: Run the hcg at 500iu's/day (1000 seems too much). Run the Proviron with the Clomid and Nolva. Might need more then 4 weeks to recover from the deca.

My thoughts exactly

[DrJ]

I would run the pct as you have suggested with the following changes: Run the hcg at 500iu's/day (1000 seems too much). Run the Proviron with the Clomid and Nolva. Might need more then 4 weeks to recover from the deca.

Why did you choose a deca and winny cycle?

I was told as a first time user from a bodybuilder where I live that it would be okay to use this cycle. I was also told it has minimal side effects and doesn't aromatise much. I wanted to cut up and gain some size too, so It was suggested to use this. I was also told I could add Test too if I wanted to. I couldn't afford the testosterone together even though I may have needed it. I am happy with my results I just want to do a thorough PCT to cover all my angles. so while I am using the HCG shots should I use nolvadex too? and I am supposed to use insulin needles or regular ones? Subcutaneous or Intramuscular? I have read both ways any suggestions? and any suggestions on the dosing of Clomid, Nolvadex and Proviron? I was thinking 100mg clomid, 20mg nolvadex and 25-50mg proviron any suggestions? how would I know that I need it longer than 4 weeks?

[Njord]

I was told as a first time user from a bodybuilder where I live that it would be okay to use this cycle. I was also told it has minimal side effects and doesn't aromatise much. I wanted to cut up and gain some size too, so It was suggested to use this. I was also told I could add Test too if I wanted to. I couldn't afford the testosterone together even though I may have needed it. I am happy with my results I just want to do a thorough PCT to cover all my angles. so while I am using the HCG shots should I use nolvadex too? and I am supposed to use insulin needles or regular ones? Subcutaneous or Intramuscular? I have read both ways any suggestions? and any suggestions on the dosing of Clomid, Nolvadex and Proviron? I was thinking 100mg clomid, 20mg nolvadex and 25-50mg proviron any suggestions? how would I know that I need it longer than 4 weeks?

Don't do the clomid or nolva while using the hcg. Wait for the pct. And those dosages look fine.

[DrJ]

Don't do the clomid or nolva while using the hcg. Wait for the pct. And those dosages look fine.

what about the risk of Gyno? shouldn't I use something with HCG? not even proviron? I read that there is could be a possibility of gyno with HCG if you don't use some sort of SERM or AI do you know if that's true?

[DrJ]

Don't do the clomid or nolva while using the hcg. Wait for the pct. And those dosages look fine.

so nothing at all with HCG correct? not even proviron? no chance of GYNO by using HCG alone? what do I use regular or Insulin type needles? Intramuscular or Subcutaneous injections? thanks to anyone who answers

[Njord]

so nothing at all with HCG correct? not even proviron? no chance of GYNO by using HCG alone? what do I use regular or Insulin type needles? Intramuscular or Subcutaneous injections? thanks to anyone who answers

You could run the proviron with the hcg if you wanted.
There is a chance of gyno from hcg alone, however at the dosage and length you will be running it, I doubt it.
Use Insulin needles and sub-q. Read the hcg faq if you haven't already.

[jeffefrijoles]

Anthony Roberts has Aromisin and Nolva running on conjunction with the HCG, but you guys are suggesting running HCG on its own. What are your opinions on thr reasons for or against?

[DrJ]

You could run the proviron with the hcg if you wanted.
There is a chance of gyno from hcg alone, however at the dosage and length you will be running it, I doubt it.
Use Insulin needles and sub-q. Read the hcg faq if you haven't already.

Thanks Njord for your reply I am not sure exactly if my doses of 500 or 1000IU are considered such a small amount, but who's to say? this is what I read in the Faq part of HCG in the sticky above am still confused:

14)Can hcg cause gyno?

Yes. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from hcg use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly hcg can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvadex are ideally used. The nolvadex may also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the hpta during hcg therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.