Starting Test Cyp And Fina Tomarrow Before Pics With Afters To Come

[BIGMAC250]

Im Starting My Test Cyp And Fina on monday..... I Figure Ide Post Some Pics I Just Took Today To Help Keep Track Of Everything....my Bf Is Pretty High But It Was Even Worse When I Did My First Cycle Of Fina And Test Im Talking Like 30-33% And I Got Down To Less Than What You See Here...except i was way more muscular.....this is what living out of a suitcase for 8 months does to you....lets See What Kind Of Transformation I Can Make In 10 Weeks With The Right Diet, Cardio, And Lifting Routine...i Plan On Packing A Few Lean Pounds on While Dropping Some Bodyfat...lets See What Happens.

6'1''
250lbs

dont know what my lifts are im really not worried about it, right now im more focused on getting my body looking right, but ide say when i was at my strongest my max bench was 365...i was doing shrugs with 405 for 4 set of 10-15...supersetting that with dumbell shrugs at 4 sets of 20 with the 110s...overhead tricep extensions with 110 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12.....seated military press i was using 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 8-10....if i can get back to that i will be happy..if not as long as my body is looking right then i have done what i needed.


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[BIGMAC250]

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[BIGMAC250]

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[dannyh11]

hope you have an ai sorted...looks like your a bit gyno prone.

[BIGMAC250]

yea i do......i havent had problems with gyno in the past and ive done this shit without an AI like an idiot when i was in high school with some dbol cause i didnt know any better......but my chest and my stomach are those spots that just pack on the chub.

[poundcake]

i feel your pain

[hauss man]

why don't you get your shit together before you start a cycle? your bf is very high and to be honest i wouldn't have guessed you ever touched a weight in your life. get a solid diet and get your training together for a while and then think about a cycle.

[BIGMAC250]

ive done this cycle in the past and had absolutly no problems with it...nothing but good results.....when i did this cycle the first time i went from 275 33% body fat to 246 at 16 or 17 % body fat......and that wasnt even with a good diet..or a lot of cardio....a lot of people use AS to get bigger than what they can do naturaly....right now im the opposite....its extremely hard for me to loose bodyfat..... keeping it off isnt the problem.....i am no where near the size i used to be...and thats even me being out of the gym for 8 months straight and eating like absolute shit.....yea granted im up to 21 22% bf.....but now ive got a good diet..i do cardio like a ****ing animal..i dont drink anymore and im starting off with way less bodyfat than i did the first time.....and the only difference is that im using cyp instead of prop....but a shit load of the water that will be retained can be prevented by using arimidex and just watching my diet...plus the fina drys you out too......look the only reason im even taking test is to basically counter act the fina dick....the plus sides of it are.....its ability to help BURN FAT and help add a little more muscle......but the main reason im taking the fina is because....hold on let me copy and paste this just so i dont forget anything..............Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus REDUCING WATER AND UNDER THE SKIN. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a FAT LOSS AGENT. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone......and on top of that i will be using clen as well.....ive been a big dude but a porker my whole life and i aint trying to deal with it anymore......i know what this cycle has done in my past and i damn sure know what it will do in my future......especially now that i have my diet together and i am more motivated than ive ever been......

[92whitelx]

Well keep us updated, like to see your progress

[BIGMAC250]

why don't you get your shit together before you start a cycle? your bf is very high and to be honest i wouldn't have guessed you ever touched a weight in your life. get a solid diet and get your training together for a while and then think about a cycle.

just watch.....im not gonna be shredded or anything but i will reach were i want to be at.....ive done this stack b4 and i know what it does to me...i just fell off for a while....as far as me not looking like i have even picked up a weight in my life....im gonna respect your opinion....but just so you know im in the gym 2 times a day busting my ass 6 days a week harder than 95% percent of the people in there.....and the other 5% are the people i train with....and thats why im doing this...for that reason right there......my diet is good and i damn sure do my cardio.....im just not seeing the results i want.... for as hard as i have been working.


Well keep us updated, like to see your progress

deff. will......im going to try and post pics every 2 weeks or so if i can get my hands on a camera.

[DSM4Life]

I have to agree with Hauss. IMO you are no where near ready for a cycle but its your choice. I don't want to jump to conclusions but i would have to say your diet is , lets say somewhat lacking. Care to post it ?

"dont know what my lifts are im really not worried about it,"
Why has it been so long since you last lifted that you can't recount your lifts ? I could personally tell you right off the top of my head each lift VS weight ratio.

I am not coming at you but trying to help you. Your going to get results off the cycle but once you come off your going to bounce right back where you start which is a waste of money.

[BIGMAC250]

I have to agree with Hauss. IMO you are no where near ready for a cycle but its your choice. I don't want to jump to conclusions but i would have to say your diet is , lets say somewhat lacking. Care to post it ?

"dont know what my lifts are im really not worried about it,"
Why has it been so long since you last lifted that you can't recount your lifts ? I could personally tell you right off the top of my head each lift VS weight ratio.

I am not coming at you but trying to help you. Your going to get results off the cycle but once you come off your going to bounce right back where you start which is a waste of money.

no problem posting the diet...here it is

meal 1: 6eggs(2whole) cooked with cooking spray either a cup of oatmeal or a whole wheat english muffin
meal 2: Isopure zero carb protien shake
meal 3: can or 2 of tuna with some lowfat cottage cheese and some salsa
meal 4: another isopure
meal 5: can or 2 of tuna,chicken,turkey,fresh fish, or some kind of lean red meat w/ a salad with olive oil and vinagar or some grilled or steamed veg (broccoli, asparagus, squash, etc) and maybe some low fat cottage cheese
meal 6: another isopure

i keep a log of what i eat through out the day to make sure i get enough of what i need and less of what i dont need......if im lacking in the protien area ill eat a chicken breast, grab a protien bar, grab a bag of beef jerky or even drink another shake.....im trying to keep my carbs to a minimum.....though out the week i will post exact #s

as far as my lifts go im not really to concerned about how strong i get.... right now cause i know it will come back fast(muscle memory is a beautiful thing) its just more of how im looking....i was out of the gym for about 8 months living out of a suitcase for work and i just got super weak and super soft and packed on a little bit of extra weight but here are some of them

bench press(dumbell) 3 or 4 sets of 10-12 w/80s
incline bench: 75s or 80s for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12
i dont do dead lifts but i am going to start
squats: 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12

As far as the cycle goes i honestly dont see myself bouncing back.....the only reason why i packed on a few pounds, got weak and lost my muscularity from my last cycle was due to not training ans eating like shit.....all that was due to the fact that i was living out of a suitcase for 8 months and alls i did was work 12 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week.....alls i had time to do was eat sleep and work......and even though lost it for a few months i am still better off than i was a year ago so i dont see my last cycle to be a failure just because of that reason...im finnally in a positon to where i can focus on certain things mainly myself.....alls im goin to be doin is focusing on school, focusing on getting my body where i want it and keeping there and working a part time job......there will be no failure or set backs this time....i am on a mission and im doing things at all costs to get there.

[DSM4Life]

no problem posting the diet...here it is

meal 1: 6eggs(2whole) cooked with cooking spray either a cup of oatmeal or a whole wheat english muffin
meal 2: Isopure zero carb protien shake
meal 3: can or 2 of tuna with some lowfat cottage cheese and some salsa
meal 4: another isopure
meal 5: can or 2 of tuna,chicken,turkey,fresh fish, or some kind of lean red meat w/ a salad with olive oil and vinagar or some grilled or steamed veg (broccoli, asparagus, squash, etc) and maybe some low fat cottage cheese
meal 6: another isopure

i keep a log of what i eat through out the day to make sure i get enough of what i need and less of what i dont need......if im lacking in the protien area ill eat a chicken breast, grab a protien bar, grab a bag of beef jerky or even drink another shake.....im trying to keep my carbs to a minimum.....though out the week i will post exact #s

as far as my lifts go im not really to concerned about how strong i get.... right now cause i know it will come back fast(muscle memory is a beautiful thing) its just more of how im looking....i was out of the gym for about 8 months living out of a suitcase for work and i just got super weak and super soft and packed on a little bit of extra weight but here are some of them

bench press(dumbell) 3 or 4 sets of 10-12 w/80s
incline bench: 75s or 80s for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12
i dont do dead lifts but i am going to start
squats: 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12

As far as the cycle goes i honestly dont see myself bouncing back.....the only reason why i packed on a few pounds, got weak and lost my muscularity from my last cycle was due to not training ans eating like shit.....all that was due to the fact that i was living out of a suitcase for 8 months and alls i did was work 12 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week.....alls i had time to do was eat sleep and work......and even though lost it for a few months i am still better off than i was a year ago so i dont see my last cycle to be a failure just because of that reason...im finnally in a positon to where i can focus on certain things mainly myself.....alls im goin to be doin is focusing on school, focusing on getting my body where i want it and keeping there and working a part time job......there will be no failure or set backs this time....i am on a mission and im doing things at all costs to get there.

1- 204 26 3 9.4
2- 220 50 3 1 - cottage 4oz 102 15 4 2
3- 179 39 0 1.3 (in water)
4- 220 50 3 1
5- ?
6- 220 50 3 1
Cal-pro-carb-fat
1145/ 230 / 16 / 15.7

So without your one real "meal" you are just over 1000cals which 600 of them are from shakes ! So you have roughly 500calories from real food and you call this a diet ? How do you even get out bed with only 16 calories a day? Listen man like i said your diet is off by a lot.

[BIGMAC250]

it comes out to way mor than that....like i said, ill post exact #s throughout the week

[hauss man]

1- 204 26 3 9.4
2- 220 50 3 1 - cottage 4oz 102 15 4 2
3- 179 39 0 1.3 (in water)
4- 220 50 3 1
5- ?
6- 220 50 3 1
Cal-pro-carb-fat
1145/ 230 / 16 / 15.7

So without your one real "meal" you are just over 1000cals which 600 of them are from shakes ! So you have roughly 500calories from real food and you call this a diet ? How do you even get out bed with only 16 calories a day? Listen man like i said your diet is off by a lot.

thats not his real diet.

[BIGMAC250]

no its not, that was just a simple example, but like i said..i will post actual #s at the end of each day. i keep a log of what i eat each day from what i actually eat to the things i cook shit with...everything gets recorded...so everyday you will see exactly what i eat.....if you see something wrong let me know what i need to change.....just keep in mind that i have the enomorph body type and if i get to many carbs i will def start to get fat......thats why i try and keep them as low as possible even though i know that they are needed.

[DSM4Life]

no problem posting the diet...here it is

meal 1: 6eggs(2whole) cooked with cooking spray either a cup of oatmeal or a whole wheat english muffin
meal 2: Isopure zero carb protien shake
meal 3: can or 2 of tuna with some lowfat cottage cheese and some salsa
meal 4: another isopure
meal 5: can or 2 of tuna,chicken,turkey,fresh fish, or some kind of lean red meat w/ a salad with olive oil and vinagar or some grilled or steamed veg (broccoli, asparagus, squash, etc) and maybe some low fat cottage cheese
meal 6: another isopure

i keep a log of what i eat through out the day to make sure i get enough of what i need and less of what i dont need......if im lacking in the protien area ill eat a chicken breast, grab a protien bar, grab a bag of beef jerky or even drink another shake.....im trying to keep my carbs to a minimum.....though out the week i will post exact #s

as far as my lifts go im not really to concerned about how strong i get.... right now cause i know it will come back fast(muscle memory is a beautiful thing) its just more of how im looking....i was out of the gym for about 8 months living out of a suitcase for work and i just got super weak and super soft and packed on a little bit of extra weight but here are some of them

bench press(dumbell) 3 or 4 sets of 10-12 w/80s
incline bench: 75s or 80s for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12
i dont do dead lifts but i am going to start
squats: 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12

As far as the cycle goes i honestly dont see myself bouncing back.....the only reason why i packed on a few pounds, got weak and lost my muscularity from my last cycle was due to not training ans eating like shit.....all that was due to the fact that i was living out of a suitcase for 8 months and alls i did was work 12 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week.....alls i had time to do was eat sleep and work......and even though lost it for a few months i am still better off than i was a year ago so i dont see my last cycle to be a failure just because of that reason...im finnally in a positon to where i can focus on certain things mainly myself.....alls im goin to be doin is focusing on school, focusing on getting my body where i want it and keeping there and working a part time job......there will be no failure or set backs this time....i am on a mission and im doing things at all costs to get there.

Am i missing something here ? I asked for diet and you said "here it is." :scratch:


You should know your diet BEFORE you begin the cycle. You don't just make it up as you go along.

[BIGMAC250]

i was being very broad with it......just giving an example of it.....i do only eat three solid meals a day and drink 3 shakes...thats constant for now.....but i get a lot more from my actual food than what you think....thats why im goin to put up exact #s day by day...also the fina is made for feed efficancy... thats why it is a good drug on a reduced calorie diet.

[DSM4Life]

i was being very broad with it......just giving an example of it.....i do only eat three solid meals a day and drink 3 shakes...thats constant for now.....but i get a lot more from my actual food than what you think....thats why im goin to put up exact #s day by day...also the fina is made for feed efficancy... thats why it is a good drug on a reduced calorie diet.


Don't be broad , just post your diet.

3 meals and 3 shakes. :rolleyes:


If you want anymore help post the actually diet up here or in the diet section for help.

later.

[BIGMAC250]

it varies a little different day by day.....i dont eat the same thing day in and day out, bugt check back in about 4 or 5 hrs i will be done at the gym for the second time and done eating as well......i will have exact #s for you

[BIGMAC250]

ok so here is everything that i ate today down to the T...its super strict now that i look at it.....i will admit that i have been focusing on my protien intake a lot and do need to bump up my calorie intake a little bit but in all honesty i feel absolutly fine.....so here it is

cal/pro/carbs/fat
meal 1: 6 eggs(2 whole) 260/36/2/9
whole wheat eng muffin 120/5/23/0
6 oz turkey breast(deli meat) 180/30/3/0
meal 2: isopure zero carb 210/50/0/.5
meal 3: 1 can tuna 140/30/0/1
1 cup fat free cottage cheese 80/24/8/0
4 table spoons salsa 30/1/3/0
meal 4: isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal 5: 6 oz chicken breast 280/52/0/6
3 egg whites 90/18/0/0
meal 6: isopure 210/50/0/.5



cal/pro/carbs/fat
food totals:1180/196/37/16
fluid totals:630/150/0/1.5
total:1810/346/37/17.5

other than the tren,test and clen im also taking:
hydroxycut hardcore(dont even know if it really works but i sweat a lot)
thermo CLA
bcaa's
ZMA
flaxseed oil
green tea extract
cranberry extract
arganine
and B-12

did a.m cardio this morning for 30 mins kept my heart rate at 130-138

worked out bi's and tri's
BI's
did 2 warm up sets of 15 with 65pounds on the straight bar
4 sets of 10-12 with 115 on the straight bar
dumbell preacher curls with 25 pounds 12-15 reps
seated dumbell curls 4 sets of 10-12 with 35pounds 4th set was a dropsetw/25s
rope hammer curls for 4 sets of 15-20 with 60pounds

TRI's
overhead dumbell extentions for 4 sets of ten with 85 pounds
rope press downs for 4 sets of 12 w/60pounds
and 3 sets of dips till failure

then more cardio for 30 mins heart rate stayed around 135 and 140 (the clen is in me know)

also weighed in at 251 this mornin

[hdrider135]

dont have so many protein shakes. have real meals and bigger ones

[BIGMAC250]

im just worried about getting to many carbs....i mean i can obviously afford some seeing as how i only consumed 37 grams....im either goin to add another actual meal or like you said just eat more when i do eat or i can do both. either way i need to get a few more calories and a few more carbs. im just trying to get as much weight off of me as possible before i actually start going to my culinary classes.....this way alls i have to do is maintain.

[hdrider135]

what you need to do is cardio. if you want to maintain muscle then your going to have to consume a substantial amount of carbs, just not as many as you would during a bulking phase, maybe half. cardio is key tho. it aint hard man and its completely worth it

[BIGMAC250]

thats one thing i do plenty of is cardio....i do my a.m cardio for 30 mins then i go back again and hit the weights hard....medium to heavy weight with very little rest between sets then i do more cardio for 30 mins after that....i pretty much do cardio 10 to 12 times a week...as far as the weight coming its a little difficult for me....i have the endomorph body type..... i think i get it from my mom cause she has done every diet you can think of and is in the gym everyday and she dont lose a pound and she does her damndest to do so...

[hdrider135]

i have the same problem i put on fat easily and its harder for me to put on muscle, but then once i started doin cardio and perfected my diet i dropped 30 or 40 pounds in a month or 2. my diet is extremely strict now. i dont cheat at all and dont eat any unnessessary foods and no snacks. im in the best shape ive ever been in. you just gotta perfect your diet and do medium intensity cardio, especially with the aid or a steroid the weight will come off easily

[BIGMAC250]

true that man.....thats a big reason why im doing this cycle...i have done it in the past and had awesome results with it....the first time i did it i was 275 33% bf i got down to 246 at 16 or 17% bf.....and i wasnt really paying attention to my diet and i really wasnt doing cardio....the only reason i put on a few extra pounds and got weak and lost my muscularity was because i was on the road working 6 or 7 days a week eating like shit no lifting or anythin....it sucked even though that happened i still aint near as large as i used to be.... im at 251 with about 20-22% body fat...so eventhough i ****ed up and lost control for a little while i still dont see my last cycle as a failure.....im just curious to see what the outcome is going to be with my diet being in check and me doing cardio now...especially that i have 10% less body fat than the last time i did it

[DSM4Life]

You dont want to take in more meals because you are so worried about carbs but you are eating "whole wheat eng muffin's?"

You need carbs and from better sources: Oatmeal, brown rice, yams etc.

[DSM4Life]

double post

[BIGMAC250]

well thats just one of the things ill eat in the mornin ....i eat oat meal too in the morning....ill also eat brown rice, a baked potato, some pasta, etc

[FrankieJJ23]

yea i do......i havent had problems with gyno in the past and ive done this shit without an AI like an idiot when i was in high school with some dbol cause i didnt know any better......but my chest and my stomach are those spots that just pack on the chub.

im doing a very similar cycle just prop and tren-a. You should have letro def on hand. I am gyno prone and been taking .25 ed to keep everything in check. I didn't take it for a couple of days to see how my body would react and bam nipples started being really senstive. Best bet is have your letro on hand, mine aren't as bad as yours but i relate to the fact about where the fat contains itself. Also the hydroxy isn't going to do shit with clen, i was taking clen and have hydroxy its a waste of money while on clen. You will just be really hot and anixious (not worth it) I would throw some winny in the cycle towards the end to tighten up IMO since im also throwing it in. be good.

[BIGMAC250]

i did prop and tren my first time.....i wanted to do it again but i couldent get my hands on it and alls i could get was the cyp....i had bought the hydroxycut a while ago and had the clen on hand from a few months back...i also have arimidex ,nolvadex, and clomid on hand already as well......so u think i should get some letro instead of using the arimidex.

[FrankieJJ23]

depends on you personally, i just like the stats on letro better then arimidex, you read c-binos theard on letro and gyno?

[BIGMAC250]

no imgonna go check it out though

[BIGMAC250]

ok so here is everything i have eaten or will drink b4 the end of the day...for some reason the #s seem really high though if you guys think other wise please let me know cause something dont seem right.

cal/pro/carb/fat

meal1: 4 eggs(2 whole) 200/24/1/9
1/2c oatmeal 320/8/66/4
6oz turkey 180/30/3/0
meal2: isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal3: 1 can tuna 140/30/0/2
1 tbsp mayo(didnt have any fat free cottage) 90/0/0/10
2 slices whole wheat bread 100/8/36/3
2 hb egg whites 60/12/0/0
meal4: isopure ""
meal5: 9oz chicken 420/78/0/9
1c broccoli 25/3/5/1
12 spears of asparagus 45/6/9/0
6oz pasta 165/7/46/-
meal6:isopure ""

cal/pro/carb/fat

food totals:1745/206/166/38
fluid totals:630/150/0/1.5
total intake:2375/356/166/39.5

[bigt10]

you need to diet properly. did he say he is 16 % on those pics. i doubt it look at his lower back he has way more fat be 16 % in those pics.

[bigt10]

lol is it me why do people always post their max bench etc i dont see what it has to do with bodybuilding.

I dont think your 16 but perhaps mid to low 20's.

k actually sorry i got that new thread.

Get a accurate bodyfat test done with good calipers then eat calories according to your lean mass.

whatis your training program like?

um i havent read the whole thread buy cyp and fina i would go prop if oyu can less water.

Personally you need more muscle to get that cut look i would eat more calories. you arent going to get to fat on tren. i would go 2500 + to 3000 cals youll get a nice lean bulk. maybe add winstrol last 5 weeks and then take cals back bit.

I wouldn't eat that low unless i had a competition very shortly. its hard to build any muscle like that. also how many cycles have you done? and your age . if you want to look more cut you gotta add muscle thats why i think eating so little while using tren is a waste and your not competiting so you want to add some muscle. just my opinoin sorry if i missed anything post your training program up like your split.

[BIGMAC250]

no i didnt say 16 in these pics i was talking about when i got off of my last cycle ...when i move and gwet my scanner hooked up ill put the pick of me up when i got off the last one.....im like 20-22% now.....the first day i recored on here i was at a little over 1800 cals with 346g or pro and so on ypu can look and see....i adjusted it a lil bit....now im up to 2300 cals 356g pro 166 g carbs and 40g of fat........ but i think im going to drop the cals and carbs and fat just very little bit...but i was told that was fine so im probable gonna stick with close to those #s and see wht happens.


i do A.M. cardio 5 or 6 days a week
my weight training is fairley heavy weight with shrt rest periods most of the time....ill switch it up depending on how im feeling then when i get done with the wieghts its back on the treadmill for 30 more mins of cardio and thats 5 or 6 days a weeks as well.

im posting everything as i go...if yall think something needs to change i am open for suggestions...im bout to go to the gym ill post some more when i get home.

[DSM4Life]

no i didnt say 16 in these pics i was talking about when i got off of my last cycle ...when i move and gwet my scanner hooked up ill put the pick of me up when i got off the last one.....im like 20-22% now.....the first day i recored on here i was at a little over 1800 cals with 346g or pro and so on ypu can look and see....i adjusted it a lil bit....now im up to 2300 cals 356g pro 166 g carbs and 40g of fat........ but i think im going to drop the cals and carbs and fat just very little bit...but i was told that was fine so im probable gonna stick with close to those #s and see wht happens.


i do A.M. cardio 5 or 6 days a week
my weight training is fairley heavy weight with shrt rest periods most of the time....ill switch it up depending on how im feeling then when i get done with the wieghts its back on the treadmill for 30 more mins of cardio and thats 5 or 6 days a weeks as well.

im posting everything as i go...if yall think something needs to change i am open for suggestions...im bout to go to the gym ill post some more when i get home.

Your diet.

And on that note. Good luck, i am tired of repeating myself.

[WEBB]

Your diet.

And on that note. Good luck, i am tired of repeating myself.

just reading this thread made me tired of hearing you say the same thing over and over....and your 110% right too...

[BIGMAC250]

well i changed some things around today and posted it in the diet forum and llrockyll said it looked good.....i uped my calories and my carbs....and im gonna stay between 2200 and 2600 cals a day then every few days ill jump up to like 3500 cal and more carbs....this way my body dont get used to the whole low carb thing and stop burning...and i wasnt talking about my diet either as far as sugestions i was talking about the order i do my cardio and my weight training....but as far as what you said i did take your advice and up my intake.

[BIGMAC250]

lol is it me why do people always post their max bench etc i dont see what it has to do with bodybuilding.

I dont think your 16 but perhaps mid to low 20's.

k actually sorry i got that new thread.

Get a accurate bodyfat test done with good calipers then eat calories according to your lean mass.

whatis your training program like?

um i havent read the whole thread buy cyp and fina i would go prop if oyu can less water.

Personally you need more muscle to get that cut look i would eat more calories. you arent going to get to fat on tren. i would go 2500 + to 3000 cals youll get a nice lean bulk. maybe add winstrol last 5 weeks and then take cals back bit.

I wouldn't eat that low unless i had a competition very shortly. its hard to build any muscle like that. also how many cycles have you done? and your age . if you want to look more cut you gotta add muscle thats why i think eating so little while using tren is a waste and your not competiting so you want to add some muscle. just my opinoin sorry if i missed anything post your training program up like your split.

ok as far as body fat and lbm goes.....we have a crappy electronic one at the gym that is way off....so that is something im deff going to have to do....but about 6 or 8 moths ago a nutritionist came into the gym and did a 7 or 10 point skinfold whatever it is..he pinched a lot of places.....and after he calculated everything he told me i had 225 pounds of lbm.....i know that has nothing to do with now, but muscle memory is a good thing......but im deff gonna have to get the skin fold again by someone experienced.


training split:
monday: bi's and tri's
tuesday: chest and shoulders
wendsday: legs
thursday: Bi's and tri's
friday: back
saturday: chest and shoulders
sunday: off

i hit my bi's and tri's twice a week cause once a week wasnt working
and i train my traps and rear delts on chest and shoulder day as well as back day...and maybe on saturday ill hit a quick little second calf workout. i do A.M. cardio 5 to 6 days a week along with cardio after i lift 5 to 6 days a week

i like to hit problem spots and the muscles that are just hard to get to grow twice a week...should i change anything? also depending on if i had a good workout for the diff groups at the begginig of the week i will go light the second time around or maybe ill add a day off but if not its balls to the wall the second time around ....but im going to switch it up in a few weeks anyway....ive been looking at some good workouts in muscle and fitness.

in all honesty im trying to get as much bf off of me as possible untill the cyp and tren really start to kick in...once they do im goin to up my cal and carb intake up.....and like you said watch what i eat and get a good clean lean bulk going on....cause once the tren and even the test really kicks in it will hook up with the AR in my fat cells and really start burning the fat off....as for me getting the cyp...i was supposed to get the prop but my guy came back with cyp....and i had already ordered my comp th and kit and i need test to go along with the tren.....ive already got my arimidex and clomid so im not to worried about water retention....as long as i drink my water..do my cardio and watch my diet and take the AI and pct i should be fine....im also going to try and add some mast for 4 weeks at the end but i need to move and get settled in before i do that.....if i get the mast i deff aint going to have to worry about gyno....atleast thats what ive read.


age:23
cycle exp: 2 cycles of dbol in HS (didnt know any better and was stubborn but i had a good reason to do it the first time) the second time was just for shits and giggles(again didnt now any better)
1 cycle of tren, test prop, clen, t-3(did all kinds of research on that) in the end the t-3 didnt agree with my body and i started to go into allergic shock (i looked like the thing from fantastic 4 cause i had so many hives on me) my throat also started swelling luckly my mom new what i was doin and she is a nurse so she took care of me.....this cycle did me right....i was 275 33% bodyfat....at the end i was 246 16-17%bf and i stayed like that untill i started working on the road...it was all down hill from there, but i damn sure aint 275 33%bf again.


ive got a good idea of how im going to achieve what i want its just that somethings need to get tweaked a little bit....and i know that. i dont know everything and thats for damn sure but one that that i do know for a fact is that this cycle worked for me once and it will do the same for me again espicially now that i watch what im eating and i dont go out and get ****ed up every weekend.

sorry its so long

[BIGMAC250]

forgot to post my chest and shoulder routine.....felt awsome btw...very good workout today.

flat bench warm up 2 set of 10 w/135
2 sets of 225 for 10 reps
2 sets of 245 for 8 and 6 reps
1 set of 15 w 135
incline dumbell press 4 set of 10 with 70's
incline dumbell flys 4 sets of 12 with 40's
didnt get to do cable crossovers cause some doosh was hogging the machine and i had to get other shit done
seated military press 4 sets of 10 with 135
triset: 3 sets
dumbell front raises with 35;s 10 times
lateral raises with 20;s 10 times
bent over lateral raises with 20's 10 times
superset: 3 sets
smith maching shrugs with 315 15 times

no cardio tonight i got there late and they had to kick me out
dumbell shrugs with 100's 20 times

[Ajc330]

the last diet you posted didn't look bad at all, the only thing I have to say is i prefer no shakes, i feel food is all you need you should replace the shakes with some whole food..

and in my opinion, it seems you rely on steroids to make any progress, why not learn how to do it naturally first, thenwhen you understand how yuor body works you can do a well planned cycle for maximum results

[BIGMAC250]

your right i do rely on them to get my weight off witch aint right but i have gone on actual diets and been on xenical at the same time and did cardio all the time (highschool during baseball season sprints and polls all teh time) and i only lost about 2 lb a month....and these were like doctor recommended diets......along with a prescription to xenical. and i just got tired of it and did did my first real cycle and i had some major changes.......trust me when your nickname in high school is TITTIES you get motivated to lose weight.....but my body just didnt let it happen.

[ausmanalot]

Keep it up bro
keep this motivation
you will get in shape faster then you think

[BIGMAC250]

well i dont think what i ate today was bad but i couldent get exact #s cause my mom decided to cook some food worthy of eating tonight and i didnt get to split my meals up to much cause i woke up late today so i had a shake with my first meal...here it is:


cal/pro/carb/fat
meal 1: 4 eggs(2 whole) 200/24/1/9
1/4 c of oatmeal 160/8/33/2
whole wheat english muffin 120/5/23/0
2 oz turkey 60/10/1/1
isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal 2: isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal 3: whole wheat english muffin 120/5/23/0
slice of tomato
2 pickle slices 5/0/1/0
whole wheat pasta salad(with sundried toms, art hearts, hearts of palm, olive oil, and balsomic vinager)
8oz lean meat burger
meal 4: 12 oz lean meat burger
1 whole wheat english muffin 120/5/23/0
3 pickle slices 7.5/0/1.5/0
meal 5: isopure 210/50/0/.5


im not even going to post the totals cause i couldent even get the numbers for everything.....but im sure i took in more than enough carbs and protein and everything else today....so as far as diet goes im counting today as a complete failure....unless you guys say otherwise....but on a good note i had a good leg and ab workout today...ive got numbers for that

squats: 1 set of 15 with 135
4 sets of 10 with 225
leg extenstions: 4 sets of 10 with 130(squeezing the shit out of them)
seated leg curls: 4 sets of 10 with 130(slow and squeezing the shit out of them)
standing calf raises: with 315 for 4 sets of as many as i could
seated calf raises with 135 for 4 sets of as many as i could

decline crunches: 3 sets of 25 with a 10 lb medicine ball
russian twists: 3 sets of 20 with 10 lb medicine ball
oblique crunches 3 sets of 20

only 15 mins of cardio tonight i need to get to the gym earlier

[BIGMAC250]

i just posted this question in the pct forum but if i want to start taking my adex just so i dont have to worry about water retention as much as well as the possiblity of gyno....how much will .25mg affect my gains......btw i dont have any of them occuring

[BIGMAC250]

ok so i just got done at the gym doin my A.M. cardio and according to the scale im up 3 or 4 pounds from 249-250 to 253....im def starting to fill out again....and im leaning out a lil bit too....im really waiting for my test to kick in but im only goin in week 2 i know i have atleast 1 or 2 more weeks b4 i start feeling the cyp....the tren has def started to kick ive been a bit more agressive than normal and i dont know if it is the aderall im prescribed or the tren but i def lay in bed for several hrs b4 i go to sleep....im gonna try and post some pics toward the end of the week to see if there are any changes....not necessarily from the AS but from eating the way im supposed to....i also uped the A.M cardio from 30 to 45 mins...also gonna start posting the diet and workouts again...i got busy with a new class last week and really didnt keep track of things like i should have i just ate what i knew was good.

[BIGMAC250]

did chest 2day...awsome workout....i dont know if im just pushing myself harder or muscle memory is starting to come into affect but on flat bench i pushed 225 for 10 reps with no prob....trew on 275 and got that for 8 reps for 2 sets and then just for shits and giggles i put on 315 and hit that for 3 reps.....deffinitaly made me happy.....i think i might start off with 275 for now on.....and go for 3 or 4 sets of 8-10.....im thinking im also gonna change up my routine so i can focus more on my muscle groups and so i dont get rushed in the gym.....also, i started to feel the tren really kick yesterday....not all the way yet but the NO levels are starting to get up there....the pump was there but not as much as i remember im sure ill really be feeling it by the end of this week...and im gonna be posting some pics for the 2 week mark dont know what to expect but im sure there will be some change.

[C_Bino]

ok so here is everything i have eaten or will drink b4 the end of the day...for some reason the #s seem really high though if you guys think other wise please let me know cause something dont seem right.

cal/pro/carb/fat

meal1: 4 eggs(2 whole) 200/24/1/9
1/2c oatmeal 320/8/66/4
6oz turkey 180/30/3/0
meal2: isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal3: 1 can tuna 140/30/0/2
1 tbsp mayo(didnt have any fat free cottage) 90/0/0/10
2 slices whole wheat bread 100/8/36/3
2 hb egg whites 60/12/0/0
meal4: isopure ""
meal5: 9oz chicken 420/78/0/9
1c broccoli 25/3/5/1
12 spears of asparagus 45/6/9/0
6oz pasta 165/7/46/-
meal6:isopure ""

cal/pro/carb/fat

food totals:1745/206/166/38
fluid totals:630/150/0/1.5
total intake:2375/356/166/39.5


Your diet its absolutely haywire man. You have 700kcals in meal 1, next meal you have 200...that is just terrible. Next meal you have 350kcals, then back down to 200 then after that 655kcal. I dont know why you would fluctuate it so much. Also consuming isopure is a bad idea imo in any cutting diet. It is an isolate protein. If you must take an iso-whey at least do yourself a favour and add fat to the meal.

But overall your calories are just all over the map and make no sense. You also go from having 50g protein in some meals to over 80g in ther meals.

You need to try to distribute your calories more evenly. And when they do fluctuate it should be to suit a specific purpose. ie. higher in the first meal and PWO perhaps, lower in the last meal etc etc.

Like others have said I would cut out the fluid calories you are relying on. One shake a day is plenty. Now I didnt read through the whole thread so if there is a reason you MUST have the shakes (for work etc) so be it but its just not optimum thats for sure.

[C_Bino]

well i changed some things around today and posted it in the diet forum and llrockyll said it looked good.....i uped my calories and my carbs....and im gonna stay between 2200 and 2600 cals a day then every few days ill jump up to like 3500 cal and more carbs....this way my body dont get used to the whole low carb thing and stop burning...and i wasnt talking about my diet either as far as sugestions i was talking about the order i do my cardio and my weight training....but as far as what you said i did take your advice and up my intake.

You are keeping cals between 2200-2600 then you wanna jump to 3500 on refeed days? Man you wanna add in 1000 calories on a given day? Way way wrong, thats too much.

You should ne keeping protein CONSTANT every meal every day imo.Cycle through carbs and fats to keep your body guessing and thermogenesis regulated. No need to up it by 1000 cals a day. Add in lie 1-2 extra carb meals or something to that effect which would be a few hundred cals.

[BIGMAC250]

i have changed more things around.....i do not have as many shakes throughout the day anymore and my meals have been more balanced like you said they should be...actually my meals have been around 410-500 cals at each meal since i cut out replacing meals with the shakes throughout the day. i get anywhere from 50-60g protien 40-50g carbs and 5-10g of fat at everymeal.....i do cut the carbs big time as the day progresses though....like later on at night...i get to the gym in the monrin or afternoon(that doesnt help) do my cardio on an empty stomch come home do homework for a few hrs then becak at the gym from 6 or 7 till it closes at 9....so sometimes i need to pack it in when i can.....plus work on some days dont make it any easier....and the fact im trying to get things ready to move aint helping....ive been really busy these past few weeks....so i try to eat when i can as healthy as i can and still hit my totals at the end of the day....its just hard for me right now...i mean regardless of how crappy and off things are im still eating better than what i used to and im getting the things i need..... i know i really need to dial it in....and thats a fact.

[BIGMAC250]

well i did deadlifts for the first time yesterday and they are awesome...its my new fav workout...the guy that was showing me how not to **** myself up had me figure out where i was....started off with 135 3-5 quick reps.....and just kept working up till i got to 495...it whopped me the first time cause my form went to shit and i wasnt expecting to turn bright ass red, but i wasnt about to let myself get handled so i tried it again...and got it.....lets see what kind of gains start coming now that im goin to do these twice a week if my body feels up to it...also going to try and get some pics today to see if i have made some if any improvements within these past 2 weeks....i think i have....i sure feel like i have.

[BIGMAC250]

weighed in at 243 tonight.....this is the lightest i have ever been since i weighed 275....im ****ing pumped....i started to feel the test kicking in yesterday durring my back workout...best back workout ive ever had..intensity was way up...it was great...people were asking me if i was ok....hahaha...i thought it was funny.....ill be trying to post more pics sometime next week prolly on saturday at the 4 week mark.

[TheJuicer]

I can't believe you do bi's and tri's and the next day you do chest...if I did that I'd never get a good chest workout and my tri's would be over trained...but if it works for you....great:wg:

[DSM4Life]

i would pay to see your post cycle pics.

[BIGMAC250]

I can't believe you do bi's and tri's and the next day you do chest...if I did that I'd never get a good chest workout and my tri's would be over trained...but if it works for you....great:wg:

i get a good chest work out in believe it or not......it dont really bother me....but i just made a new training split that i will be starting on monday....its more appropriate.....un fortunitaly im going to have to go against some of the things i really dont want to do like work out my bis with my back.....cause my back workout is insane but things got to change if i want progress. here is what the new split looks like.

mon: chest/tris
tues: shoulders/traps/abs
wed: back/bis
thurs: legs/abs
fri:chest/tris

i will be doing cardio 6 or 7 days a week possibly 2 times a day if i can or if i feel like it......also the days will be rotated so i can hit 1 group 2 times a week...like you see here i will hit chest/tris monday and friday this week then next week i will hit shoulders/traps/abs on monday and friday.....and so on and so forth its gonna be different weight with diff rep ranges as well for those 2 days....do that for 8 or 12 weeks then switch it up again.



also im gonna try and cook all my food for the week im gonna try and past everything tonight once i get done....its gonna be a busy night.....but its all good and it will deff be worth it.

[BIGMAC250]

i would pay to see your post cycle pics.

well guess what....ur gonna get to see them for free in about 7 weeks.....plus i will have some more pics hopefully this coming saturday....and if you really want to break my balls just go look at my 2 week photos i posted....better yet i still need to put them on here ill do that right now.

[TheJuicer]

Just for shits try this split:

Chest/Tris
Back/Bi's
Shoulders/Abs
Quads/Hams/Calves

.....:wg:...thats my fav. split!!

[BIGMAC250]

here are the 2 weeks pics i posted seperately to see what you guys thought but now they are here too....i dont want to hear about the tan either...haHahaha


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[BIGMAC250]

1 more pic from 2 weeks and a bonus pic of me when i was very very bad.

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[BIGMAC250]

Just for shits try this split:

Chest/Tris
Back/Bi's
Shoulders/Abs
Quads/Hams/Calves

.....:wg:...thats my fav. split!!

thanx for the input...thats very similar to what im starting nest week......not sure if you seen that i had pasted it or not

[BIGMAC250]

ive been seeing progress all over but my back seems to be making a huge improvement....im sure a lot of it has to do with the fact that i recently started training back hard and i have added deads into my back routine....back day is actually my fav day at the gym.

[MR_T]

Hey bro good luck with your cycle considering the same cycle next spring to get out of my all natural winter hibernation buck... keep us updated on your progress, and don't take it too hard the reason most of the people here dont agree with your cycle is because we see this all the time. People that dont a great diet/workout routine turn to roids for a quick fix and end up gaining/loosing 30lbs while on gear only to loose their gains in a couple of months because of lack of knowledge and skill, youve obviously made up your mind so I wont try to get in this argument, only thing I want to add is that you said

just watch.....im not gonna be shredded or anything but i will reach were i want to be at.....ive done this stack b4 and i know what it does to me...i just fell off for a while....as far as me not looking like i have even picked up a weight in my life....im gonna respect your opinion....but just so you know im in the gym 2 times a day busting my ass 6 days a week harder than 95% percent of the people in there.....and the other 5% are the people i train with....and thats why im doing this...for that reason right there......my diet is good and i damn sure do my cardio.....im just not seeing the results i want.... for as hard as i have been working.




deff. will......im going to try and post pics every 2 weeks or so if i can get my hands on a camera.

twice a day, six times a week scrams overtraining to me bro might want to look into a good routine

anyway good luck bro keep us updated

[BIGMAC250]

Hey bro good luck with your cycle considering the same cycle next spring to get out of my all natural winter hibernation buck... keep us updated on your progress, and don't take it too hard the reason most of the people here dont agree with your cycle is because we see this all the time. People that dont a great diet/workout routine turn to roids for a quick fix and end up gaining/loosing 30lbs while on gear only to loose their gains in a couple of months because of lack of knowledge and skill, youve obviously made up your mind so I wont try to get in this argument, only thing I want to add is that you said



twice a day, six times a week scrams overtraining to me bro might want to look into a good routine

anyway good luck bro keep us updated

i dont lift 2 times a day i do cardio twice a day usually .....im there in the mornin doing my a.m. thing on an empty stomach then i go back later on in the day and do my weight training and more cardio most of the time....also im not sure if i posted it but i just started a new routine today

[sam_sneed]

some good progress there in 2 weeks bro keep it up!
i know some guys were at you about diet but guess what there rite. From the last diet you posted i would up your cals possibly another meal 5 seems a bit low, get rid of the whey isolate any other time than PWO its garbage otherwise if you like shakes try casein its much better.
If your cutting shoot for about 400-450 cals a meal nomore (x 6 would give you a range of 2400-2700)
i dont know what supplements you take but BCAA's and Glutamine work very well whilst cutting to maintain LBM.
My Cutting Diet is in the diet forum take a look if you want

[legobricks]

Your diet.

And on that note. Good luck, i am tired of repeating myself.



Still watching the progress in your diet and pictures.

[legobricks]

Ok i went thru your 2 week progression photos and honestly i can see fat loss in the mid section, holding water weight in your traps and tri's, and also a bit more cut on the calves. What are your goals, to put on more weight or just lose fat and cut? Reason i ask is becuase there are definately areas that you can work on to bring out more which would help with your overall figure.

[BIGMAC250]

Ok i went thru your 2 week progression photos and honestly i can see fat loss in the mid section, holding water weight in your traps and tri's, and also a bit more cut on the calves. What are your goals, to put on more weight or just lose fat and cut? Reason i ask is becuase there are definately areas that you can work on to bring out more which would help with your overall figure.


my main focus is to lean out......but packing on a few extra pounds lbm would be a plus.....i have just started a new training split yesterday so im sure thats gonna cause some new growth too.....shit man anything you see that i need to work on to bring out my over all figure let me know..... anything helps....the one thing that is really pissing me off though is right around my kindeys...that lower part of my back is killing me......its keeping the love handles there it seems like.....but like i said fill me in on what you think...and thanx for the input as well

[BIGMAC250]

also should i have lost more bf in that time or do i seem to be on trck as far as what you guys see from the pics

[DSM4Life]

Still watching the progress in your diet and pictures.

If i wanted peoples opinions i would created a thread. I don't, so i won't.

[bulldawg_28]

Hey man, you're making some good progress so far. Keep it up!

Just a warning, and I'm telling you this because I have the same problem. It looks to me like your gyno is growing. Are you experiencing any gyno growing symptoms ie itching, pain, etc? If so, I'd jump on some anti-e's quick!

As for losing that last extra bit of fat. I'd give napalm a try towards the end of your cycle. I've read some good reviews on it.

[BIGMAC250]

Hey man, you're making some good progress so far. Keep it up!

Just a warning, and I'm telling you this because I have the same problem. It looks to me like your gyno is growing. Are you experiencing any gyno growing symptoms ie itching, pain, etc? If so, I'd jump on some anti-e's quick!

As for losing that last extra bit of fat. I'd give napalm a try towards the end of your cycle. I've read some good reviews on it.

thanx for the good words man.....i know, ive got the bitch tits....but its only fat...i think....ive had them bad boys my whole life......i have been using adex everyday since about 2 weeks into the cyp at .5 mg to help cut down on the water as well as trying to avoid gyno as much as possible......honestly i havent been feeling any itching or pain or anything like that......there are no lumps in there either....but ive been keeping an eye out though cause that is the last thing i want......napalm ...like the real shit......how do u use that and how exatly does it work.....ive never herd that b4.....thanx again bro..


also more pics soon to come....hopefully on saturday or sunday i wonder what things are gonna look like now......cause as weird as this sounds i look at myself in the mirror and i feel like i look funny....i dont know why...hahaha..is that normal for seeing yourself making changes??????

[BIGMAC250]

ok well i just realized that i said i was going to cook everything for the week and post it broken down into my meals but i just moved and when i thought i had to time do it i had to unpack more and do this and that to get my place together...the gym has been constant though.....it is not broken down but i am gonna give a list of the foods that i eat throughout the day....at any given time...its just really hard get everything exact right now since i just moved and it is just me trying to get my shit together.

grilled chicken
tuna
lean ground beef
eggs
brown rice
whole wheat pasta
whole wheat bread
oatmeal
kashi go lean crunch
boiled or baked potatoes
broccoli
rice cakes
natty peanut butter
1% cottage cheese
some fruits (oranges, pineapple, canteloup)

i will usually mix the lean beef with some broccoli sometimes some whol wheat pasta
i make the tuna with the cottage cheese and might have it on a sandiwch
ill eat the cottage cheese by itself
i might snack on a rice cake with some natty peanut butter or have either one by itself
eggs anytime during the day not just breakfast (i take half the yolks out)
eat the grilled chick by itself or with broccoli and a baked potato or some of the pasta or rice....sometimes by itself if it is late
fruits i keep for the mornin or during the day.....ill cut out the carbs after 7 or 8...i might eat some broccoli after that but thats about it

also if im really hating the food i might put some manwhich sauce on it just to jaz it up just a lil bit to get me through

my cheat day...i might go out to eat but for the most part i just put my cookin abilty to use and chef it up a meal....i dont go crazy i just might add some extra things.....thats what im goin to school for BTW is to be a chef...i want to try and make healthy food taste just as good as the food you eat when you got out.....except you dont have to wrroy about what you order.

i am goin to add ground turkey, some kind of fish fillet(talapia, tuna, snapper, anything), asparigus, spiniach, and i dont know what else i will figure it out....but the foods listed above are the foods i have been eating at any given time during the day....i know its not put together but its what i eat...its not shit food i know that much...its just hard right now....im really hoping after this weekend i can put it all together so you guys can really see whats goin on.....also anything else you guys think i can add to my menu let me know.....any variety helps.....im not a big fan of sweet potatoes but i will eat them if you think i need to....keep in mind im trying to suck weight and get a lil lean bulk goin on as well...i guess that goes hand in hand in my case

if im being to strict let me know if im not being strict enough with my food chices let me now.....im not doing this as a fad just to get to where i want to be i want to have all the peices to a complete change in lifestyle and im thinking this is the final peice to the puzzle......thanx guys....

[BIGMAC250]

just got back from the gym......had a great workout...so far all my workouts have been great this week since i changed up my split......it is deff more efficiant and on top of that it is new so more progress is deff on the way....it was back and bis today...i didnt do deads though....i was spent b4 i got to my bis so i decided to not do deads......im curious.... can i just do them a day on there own along with some cardio and abs or should i for sure throw them in on back day....and if i do should i do them before my bis or after....cause once i do my deads im shot.....i dont want no more after i get done.

[DSM4Life]

just got back from the gym......had a great workout...so far all my workouts have been great this week since i changed up my split......it is deff more efficiant and on top of that it is new so more progress is deff on the way....it was back and bis today...i didnt do deads though....i was spent b4 i got to my bis so i decided to not do deads......im curious.... can i just do them a day on there own along with some cardio and abs or should i for sure throw them in on back day....and if i do should i do them before my bis or after....cause once i do my deads im shot.....i dont want no more after i get done.

You can do them on their own day but make sure they aren't too close to other heavy lifts like squats.

When i first started doing dead i use to be the same way, after deads i was, umm, dead. After i started doing deads more often they not longer tired me out like they use to. Don't get me wrong i can feel the workout but it doesn't take me to the point where i am no longer able to give 100% on other movements.

I change it up. Sometimes i will do deads first (pullups as warm up) other days i will do them last.

[BIGMAC250]

You can do them on their own day but make sure they aren't too close to other heavy lifts like squats.

When i first started doing dead i use to be the same way, after deads i was, umm, dead. After i started doing deads more often they not longer tired me out like they use to. Don't get me wrong i can feel the workout but it doesn't take me to the point where i am no longer able to give 100% on other movements.

I change it up. Sometimes i will do deads first (pullups as warm up) other days i will do them last.

sweet...i do legs tomarrow....then its chest and tris again friday...so i guess saturday should be fine to do them...but my split is on a rotation to where i work out 1 group 2 times a week..like this week i do chest and tris mon and fri...next week i do shoulders and traps mon and fri and so on and so fourth...so im gonna have to pay attention then...yea man those things drain me right now.....ive only been doing them for 2 or 3 weeks now..... i love em but man i need to sit down in between set when i do them....how does doing them to start the workout work for you....cause ive thought about it and i was gonna do it today but i decided not to.

[VanTheMan]

Good progress bro

[BIGMAC250]

much appriciated bro......i will be putting up my 4 week pics on saturday sometime.....cant wait to see what has changed

[BIGMAC250]

well here are pics from the start till now.....im dissapointed with week 2 to 4 but its my own fault....i got thrown off for a week due to my move but im back on track now.....but over all im happy with whats going on.....im just ready to take my pics in another 2 weeks now that im back on track.......here ya go guys have a field day!!!!!!


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[BIGMAC250]

well....i took the time to portion all my food and get it ready for the week and some....its gonna be nice just going to the fridge ang getting food that is already cooked..hahaha...i dont have to waste to much time now...this is great!!!!!!

[Ajc330]

nice i defiantely see weight loss, goodprogress!

[Amorphic]

be very careful with your estrogen levels. i definetly see chest fat/gyno in all your pictures

[BIGMAC250]

nice i defiantely see weight loss, goodprogress!

thanx bro...weeks 2-4 i had shitty progress but i had just moved and the diet got more ****ed up than it normally was...and i have noone to blame but myself.....but im back on track now...prolly more than ive been in these past few weeks

be very careful with your estrogen levels. i definetly see chest fat/gyno in all your pictures

good looking out bro.....im pretty sure its just the one place where my body tends to store a good bit of bf....... it is slowly going away but i will never know untill i get down to the bf range where i should be able to tell......i have also been taking adex at .5 mg a day to help w the water retention and high estrogen...i have no symptoms of gyno yet and i hope i dont start to either...but i am keeping a close eye out....thanx again
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[BIGMAC250]

hey guys...sorry its been such a long time but between school,the gym and the old lady i really havent had to much spare time......no new pics yet....well i did have some good quality cell phone pics but do to a recent argument i can no longer retrieve them(phone just happen to hit the tile floor way to hard)...but anyways.....im weighing in at 240 but i did what i wanted....sucked fat and put on a good amount of lbm....so im lookin way better than what i was....i took this past week of from the gym....and coinsidently it happened to be the one of the worst weeks ive had in a long time.....but i started pct today....clomid, nolva, rest of adex and im also throughing in some clen.......my main focus for these next several weeks is to maintain what ive gained and loose even more bf.......im just gonna be working 1 muscle group a day and just kill it......but cardio and abs are gonna be the main focus......many of you guessed my bf to be around 20-23%.....im thinking im down to about 15% its a good chance im wrong it could be higher and for all i know it could be lower (the saying you are your own worst critic could be the case too)....but i no longer have my love handles my chest is shaping up(bitch tits aint nothing like they were) and i guess my abs are trying ever so slightly to show through you can see where my abs are and you can see where my obliques are.......but if my bf is what i think it is and i went from the 250s down to 240(no higher than 243) i made a pretty good run IMO......i know alot disagreed with my ways but i needed it.....now that im where i am i feel way mroe confident about myself and will not get as discouraged about my progress over the months to come......its only gonna push me harder to know that im so close to where ive always wanted to be.....and i know if i stop all my efforts and sacrifice i made over these months will just go to waste and it will be a shame and a waste of time and good money if i dont get there...especially being as close as i feel like i am.....thanx for all the abuse and advice.....i will do my best to get some new pics very soon....i should be getting a new cell tomarrow or wendsday...ill take some pics just to show give an idea.....they aint shitty either.....if anyone is familiar with the blackberry pearl you know they take pretty good pics....later fellas and thanx again

also doing things backwards also has its benefits....because of what i learned from you guys breaking my balls and giving any advice you could.....im goin natty for quite some time.....i figure with what i know now.....at 6'1'' 240 i could be lookin like arnold in the next few years but who knows though....its gonna be tough being a chef working crazy ass hrs and being in my chosen profession...but ive made a lot of good habits and broke a lot of old ones too....and it will only make things easier


super hairy....took a week off from the gym to relax and chill out.....back on track since yesterday

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[BIGMAC250]

hey whats up guys.....its been a while but ive been real busy with school and work.....but i cant sleep right now so i figured i would bump my post and let yall know where im at right now.....i went and got my body fat done at the gym and im weighing in at 215 at 8.5 percent bf..the guy did a 3 point and after he stopped i was like is that it...atleast do a 7 point..also ive lost so much in these past few months none of my damn cloths fit...my new board shorts are just shit they just fall off same thing with jeans....maybe its cause they are 40s in the waist and i can now wear 36waist jeans with a lil room to spare.....unfortunitaly during my cycle i retained a little bit more water than i thought i was going to and lost some mass but its all good cause ive only continued to keep sucking fat and that is all that mattered to me....i just started what i think is a lean clean bulking diet to fill out the right way....im gonna try and post it soon......but other than that i had all the measurements from the skin fold to show but i cant find the damn paper....im gonna try and get up to a solid 230 or 240 im not sur ehow long thats gonna take but as of right now ive got all the time in the world...sorry i dont have any pics but like i said i havent had too much time to myself....when i start seeing some weight gain ill do my best to post some new pics...but im done you guys take it easy

[DSM4Life]

Hate to bust your bubble but them pics up top are no way near 8%.

[BIGMAC250]

Hate to bust your bubble but them pics up top are no way near 8%.

yea i know....those are from like 2 months ago......i just bumped my post yesterday....and i just had everything done on monday

[gogo juice]

Excellent job> Stay at it!

[lelyano23]

why don't you get your shit together before you start a cycle? your bf is very high and to be honest i wouldn't have guessed you ever touched a weight in your life. get a solid diet and get your training together for a while and then think about a cycle.
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[jay112]

if you would have lost most of the fat before adding aas compounds you would look better IMO, a cutting cycle even with t4's whatever just dont add mass on top of blubber it wont look nice, this is not a diss at all as you have made good progress just saying next time loose more fat get a better diet ONCE they are in check then the aas is the icing on the cake, steroids aint magical at all:icon_roll

[*Alex*]

if you would have lost most of the fat before adding aas compounds you would look better imo, a cutting cycle even with t4's whatever just dont add mass on top of blubber it wont look nice, this is not a diss at all as you have made good progress just saying next time loose more fat get a better diet once they are in check then the aas is the icing on the cake, steroids aint magical at all:icon_roll

steroids are magical, they made my balls disapear for months!!!!!!!!!