PCT start time debate

[WelshWarrior]

All,

Please can people with experience share them on starting PCT immediately after cycle v once esters half life is over?

I am undecided on which is the best, both have plausible arguments for them. Interested to hear bros experience on both, especially starting immediately after cycle.

[Big]

your natural levels can not be restored while the suppressive compounds are present, so I see no plausible argument for attempting to do that. we wait for suppressive compounds to clear the system before starting pct, that's why pct start times are based off of the lives of the compound being used.

[WelshWarrior]

Not always, though?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

[Big]

when I used to pct, I would always wait for suppressive compounds to clear my system before pct. always.

I've read many of Pinn's posts again and again, but for now admittedly I just read the initial 2 posts in this thread. I didn't see him advocating starting pct early, perhaps I missed that part, or is it mentioned later in the thread? Could you point me to the part where he says to start pct before the suppressive compounds clear?

[WelshWarrior]

I understand his argument, I also wonder (as per traditional theory) that natty test will not start whilst endogenous test is present.

Taken from the last paragraph:
"For this reason, I feel that the second your cycle is over is when you should start this PCT (a week after your last shot, or the day after your last pill is fine). Remember, waiting for some of the extra androgens you’ve been taking to leave your body is nonsensical, as we want to start recovery as soon as possible to retain maximum gains. There is no evidence to suggest waiting any length of time after your cycle is over will increase PCT effectiveness…it simply prolongs the time you aren’t doing anything positive to regain your natural hormones. "

[Big]

He even states "a week after your last shot, or the day after your last pill is fine" so it's a bit blurry, if pct starts the second the cycle is over, why the "week after the last shot" comment?
in any event, although this is an interesting concept, in my opinion starting pct earlier than needed won't hurt, it will just waste the pct chems you use while waiting for the suppressive compounds to clear. provided the pct is extended to allow for the initial week(s) at the beginning I doubt it would make any difference. this is one of those things that may be interesting to study and consider but I doubt any recognizeable difference will be obtained by starting early.

[WelshWarrior]

He even states "a week after your last shot, or the day after your last pill is fine" so it's a bit blurry, if pct starts the second the cycle is over, why the "week after the last shot" comment?
in any event, although this is an interesting concept, in my opinion starting pct earlier than needed won't hurt, it will just waste the pct chems you use while waiting for the suppressive compounds to clear. provided the pct is extended to allow for the initial week(s) at the beginning I doubt it would make any difference. this is one of those things that may be interesting to study and consider but I doubt any recognizeable difference will be obtained by starting early.

I agree. (Wasn't Pinnacle's protocol originally posted by Anthony Roberts?) I think I'll duck out of it all and finish up on a low dose of prop, then give it 3 days after last jab.

[Big]

I agree. (Wasn't Pinnacle's protocol originally posted by Anthony Roberts?) I think I'll duck out of it all and finish up on a low dose of prop, then give it 3 days after last jab.

I'm not sure, but I'm sure Pinn know's his stuff, I've learned a lot from reading his posts. The thing I like about reading Pinn's work is that you can look at pics of him and tell he know's his sh*t, the dude is a beast. Roberts goes into detail about all the steroids he's used as if he's a guru, but then you see pics of him and wouldn't even think he works out, much less uses steroids.

[WelshWarrior]

I'm not sure, but I'm sure Pinn know's his stuff, I've learned a lot from reading his posts. The thing I like about reading Pinn's work is that you can look at pics of him and tell he know's his sh*t, the dude is a beast. Roberts goes into detail about all the steroids he's used as if he's a guru, but then you see pics of him and wouldn't even think he works out, much less uses steroids.

Agree on that. I've always gone on peeps experience more than citing of studies.

[jimmyinkedup]

my vote is to continue estrogen management that you used on cycle up to pct (ie armidex) ...then implement pct when natty test production becomes possible - in the absence of exogenous test (or any other suppressive compound)....have done it that way for years...my $02....