Started my first cycle, advice? [Archive] - Anabolic Steroids

konateh

02-21-2009, 10:50 AM

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My Stats:
Age: 20
Height: 6feet 3inches / 192 cm
Weight: 83 kgs / 185 Ibs
BF: 12-16% (??)

My Cycle:
Testosterone Enanthate 125mg + Propionate 25mg /3days = 350mg/week for 12 weeks
Nolva/Clomid for PCT

Goals for cycle:
Add 2-5 kg muscle and loose some fat while I'm at it - Ultimate goal 90kgs 7%bf.

My Training:
Monday - Chest + Back
Tuesday - Abs
Wednesday - Shoulders + Triceps
Thursday - Biceps + Legs
Friday - Chest + Abs

My Diet:

aiming for 2800-3500 kcals depending on the day
55-60% protein - 30-35% carbs - 15-25% fat ratio..
350-400g protein - 200-400g carbs - 50-60g fat
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I try to do 4 low, 2 mod and 1 high carb day per week.
Meals are equally split into 6 meals with 50-60g protein each.
Meal 1: high complex carbs
Meal 2,3,4: 30-40g starchy carbs
Meal 5 (Postworkout): 60g fast carbs
Meal 6: 0-10 g fibrous carbs

Protein Sources: eggwhites, lean ham/beef, fat free milk, salmon, cottage cheese,
Carb Sources: oatmeal, fat free milk, Supplements (Dietary etc.)
Veg Carb Sources: Caluiflower, Brussels Sprouts, Spinach, Broccoli, Mushrooms.
Fat Sources: Olive Oil ,Canola Oil, salmon, Avocado Oil, ***** 3 capsules.

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Will try to keep you updated with pictures of my progress. Any feedback/criticism is appreciated - I am open for suggestions and advice on all points (especially diet).

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konateh

02-21-2009, 10:52 AM

Before Pics:

I'm sorry about the quality of these, they are snapshots from a videorecording, future pictures will be taken with a camera

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/5.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/2.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/3.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/4.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/1.jpg

D7M

02-21-2009, 10:56 AM

Any feedback/criticism is appreciated - and yes, I know I'm too young, have not reached my genetic potential and have to high bf%, but I have decided to do this now... I am open for suggestions and advice on all points.

I never understand when people do this.

My advice is to discontinue your cycle immediately, for all the reasons you already listed.

Eat and grow properly for a while. You're young, so you have *plenty* of time to grow.

Emondo

02-21-2009, 11:00 AM

bf i think is 12-14%, jus a rough estimation based on ur pics? how did you find your 1st injections?

konateh

02-21-2009, 11:18 AM

I never understand when people do this.

My advice is to discontinue your cycle immediately, for all the reasons you already listed.

Eat and grow properly for a while. You're young, so you have *plenty* of time to grow.

not happening...

bf i think is 12-14%, jus a rough estimation based on ur pics? how did you find your 1st injections?

thanks for response.. 12-14%.:scratch:.? I was under the impression it was much higher than that..

My first injection was in the left glute.. mostly painless but didn't like having to twist around and found it hard to aspirate without using both arms.. so safe, but uncomfortable..

For my second injection I decided to try my left deltoid (lateral part), and actually liked this site much better as I felt I was much more in control when injecting.. makes it much easier to insert at an 90 degree angle, so next inj will definitely be right delt.. also want to try chest, but seems a bit risky..

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D7M

02-21-2009, 11:26 AM

not happening...

thanks for response.. 12-14%.:scratch:.? I was under the impression it was much higher than that..

Ok, well then good luck with that.

You seem to have done some research, which is good. But you already said why you shouldn't cycle, so why ask our advice?

I also don't think at your height/weight that you need to carb cycle

I agree, your bf is less than 18-20. Probably 14. But that doesn't mean you should cycle.

FireGuy1

02-21-2009, 11:36 AM

Bodyfat is not an issue, I would put him closer to the 10-11 range.

konateh

02-21-2009, 11:53 AM

Ok, well then good luck with that.

You seem to have done some research, which is good. But you already said why you shouldn't cycle, so why ask our advice?

I also don't think at your height/weight that you need to carb cycle

Yes, I have done some research and I have allready decided on doing a cycle. I'm not doing it solely for muscle building.. Increased sense of well being, increased confidence, energy levels etc. are also among the benefits to be had from testosterone - So I'm not asking if I should cycle or not, I'm asking your advice to get the most out of it as I can. I'm also looking for general advice on what muscle groups to prioritize for better symmetry and ways to improve my diet etc. etc.

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FireGuy1

02-21-2009, 12:02 PM

konateh

02-21-2009, 12:43 PM

Your goal of adding 5lbs of muscle should be easily obtained doing what you outlined in your original post. If it were me I would add in another 200-300 calories from fats and carbs and kick in some cardio if you see the bodyfat getting higher.

Read some of your posts, you seem like you know what you are talking about (!), and i'm really impressed from reading your topics..

When it comes to cardio I haven't done any for ages as it is a bit to time consuming atm, instead I walk instead of taking the bus to various destinations.. I'll try to add in a couple of 30 min low intensity sessions 1-2 times a week for starters if I experience an increase in bf, also planning on doing some morning cardio closer to the summer when the weather conditions are better :)

If I'm as low as you say I am in fat%, I'm leaning more towards eating for maintenance (adding 200 kcal of fats & complex carbs) rather than cutting up until I feel the test starting to work, and then raise it by an additional 200, what do you think about this?..

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konateh

02-22-2009, 11:04 AM

Stocked up on some new syringes and needles today, even went for different colors Bought some 25G needles instead for my delts instead of the 22G i used last time as I felt I might have gone a bit to deep even though I left 1/5 of the needle out.. anyone know what gauge needle I should get for drawing the oil?
Had the best sleep I've had in a long time yesterday despite some pains in the inj. site.. Overall I'm feeling tired, flat and HUNGRY.. Upped my fat intake to 50g, so aiming for 300/125/50 today as I am sedentary an no training - high carb tomorrow!!
Not noticing any changes yet.. can't wait for my next shot on Tuesday though..

konateh

02-23-2009, 05:14 PM

just did my third injection right deltoid.. aspirated and drew blood, so changed the needle and tried again.. had some serious problems controlling the syringe with only my left hand as the oil was really hard to draw.. even had problems injecting it in.. overall bad experience..
Not noticing any changes.. did chest and triceps today (postponing back a couple of days), and have had some minor strenght gains.. got a good pump also, might have something to do with me cheating pretty bad on my diet.. kept it pretty clean but ended up stuffing down about 6000 kcal :/ weight was up to 85 kg this morning, feeling kind of bloated, my face looks like a balloon.. but hey.. shit happens.. tomorrow is a new day..
Also had some trouble sleeping last night.. nightmares and was just burning up.. think i might be catching a cold.. also noticing some acne here and there ;)..

jbm

02-24-2009, 02:12 AM

too young
underweight
Good Luck!

MR_T

02-24-2009, 02:51 AM

how long have you been on that diet?

Howard Stern

02-24-2009, 03:02 AM

PCT Nolva Trib , Clomid Vit E and keep up your work out it might not be as fun as when your on juice.. but keep it up!!!

konateh

02-24-2009, 04:26 AM

how long have you been on that diet?

have'nt been on this exact diet for that long, but been on somewhat of not so clean diet, higher in carbs and much lower i calories with some ups and downs for about 2 years..

this is a picture from summer 2007, when i stopped training:
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/25072007301.jpg

and here are some pictures from 1st of january 2009 this year when i started training and dieting again at 78 kgs
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/Untitled2.jpg

this is from late january 2009:
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/Untitled23.jpg

this is from mid feb (one week ago - about the same time as the ones in the first post)
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/P1010044.jpg

beatango2008

02-24-2009, 04:52 AM

dude why even bother posting the picture of you in a sweater, stating that you are 300lbs? we cant see anything but your puffy jacket that you have on. and as far as cycling goes, if you dont have time to do cardio what makes you think that you are going to have time to hold on to the gains you make after the cycle?, bodybuilding isnt a part time hobby its a lifestyle. But you have already made up your mind that your going to cycle i just hope you be careful. in my mind i think you could of got alot more natural muslce if you would of just ate more, but to each is on. Good luck with your cycle and keep us updated.

BIG_TRUCK

02-24-2009, 05:13 AM

Wow....

Come on now, what sane human being would post this?

See a psychiatrist , and a nutritionist.

Not an insult, seems it would benefit you in many ways.

inky-e

02-24-2009, 08:56 AM

:scratch:Scratches head in puzzlement..........refrains from commenting...

T-MOS

02-24-2009, 09:03 AM

What a waste of good steroids.

Good Luck Kid.....

You will NOT be happy with the results of this cycle, as you do not know how to eat

as stated

TOO YOUNG
TOO LIGHT

GOOD LUCK !! you will need it

Reed

02-24-2009, 09:50 AM

Think of it this way....

Why do you wanna be hitting the juice now and still be weak as fukk in the gym??? I don't understand??? What do you squat, deadlift, and bench??? Would you not be embarrassed of yourself if you had only a meager bench under 225 and wasn't able to press it without the juice..... GET UR WEIGHT UP, train natural, and get into the habit of things..... otherwise you doing this quick fix/short cut will end up with problems once the cycle is over (PCT depression) and won't be happy then will just think I need more and more.......

konateh

02-24-2009, 10:24 AM

well thanks for the support guys.. jesus christ..
First of all; Have been eating like crazy.. and have gained a good 5-6 kgs these last couple of months of clean dieting and hard training.. I am aware of the PCT depression that follows this cycle, but if you could handle it, why shouldn't I be able to? It's not like i'm doing 500 mg/week + 400 mg nandrolone/week + 200 mg tren with some eq and winstrol on the side here... 300 mg/week really isn't that much..
Now, instead of saying I don't know how to eat etc. why don't you be more specific or tell me what I'm doing wrong.. anyways thanks for your comments guys

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audis4

02-24-2009, 10:55 AM

columbus?

Reed

02-24-2009, 10:57 AM

Your starting at a point where you clearly have put no effort into your diet, training or anything else for that matter. Your too young and you're just wanting to take a short cut.

Your asking questions on how to train and diet and how to improve when you should have that done a head of time and learned it..... thats ridiculous..... you haven't even learned how your body responds to any type of training or food.......

We are able to deal with PCT depression much easier cause one most built a solid foundation so that they can still lift a decent amount why they are in this phase.... two most know how to diet properly and know how they respond to food..... i think you'll crash pretty freaking hard at your weight and build once you come off and will have shut yourself down.....

Reed

02-24-2009, 11:08 AM

^^^^ That is what your doing wrong

But go ahead and outline your entire diet of what you eat the food sources and everything with meal timing etc.... not I eat like a horse or I eat about 30 grams of protein at this meal w/ 30grams of carbs etc. I want to see the food you are eating and the amounts and at what times

then outline your training routine, exercises performed, weight and reps.

you want help right????

T-MOS

02-24-2009, 11:09 AM

007

02-24-2009, 11:37 AM

Oh good lord, words fail me..

konateh

02-24-2009, 11:42 AM

well, everything is in the first post...
and yes I want help.. I have been trying out different forms of dieting, training etc. and I know pretty much what approaches works well for me, I trained and dieted two years continiously before i stopped training and took 1.5 years off from training, and I started training and dieting seriously again in november this year.

Please read the first post, I made some adjustments from after some advice I got here, increased my fat intake by 15-20 g per day, and carb intake by 25g on low and moderate days. When carbing up (once per week - like i did yesterday), I follow by 1-2 low days and 2-3 mod/maintinance days, then another low day before carbing up again.

This is from the first post:

My Diet:
250-400g protein + 55-65g fat
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125-150g carbs on lowcarb days
175-200g carbs on moderate days
400+ on high on highcarb days
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I try to do 4 low, 2 mod and 1 high carb day per week.
Meals are equally split into 6 meals with 45-50 g protein each.
Meal 1: 35-45g carbs
Meal 2,3,4: 20-30g carbs
Meal 5 (Postworkout): 35-45g carbs
Meal 6: 0-10 g carbs

Protein Sources: eggwhites (mostly), ham/beef (lean ofc), fat free milk, salmon, tuna, chicken/turkey fillets.
Carb Sources: oatmeal, fat free milk.
Veg Carb Sources: Caluiflower, Brussels Sprouts, Cucumber, Spinach, Broccoli, Mushrooms.
Fat Sources: Olive Oil ,Canola Oil, CLA, salmon, sardines, Avocado Oil, ***** 3 capsules.

As for my workouts, this is from the first post:
My Training:
Monday - Chest + Back
Tuesday - Off
Wednesday - Shoulders + Triceps
Thursday - Biceps + Legs
Friday - Chest + Abs

I often mix it up a bit, going after feeling for the specific day, but I always work every muscle group once per week, and chest twice plus I throw in some extra sets on rear deltoids, abs and biceps are my lowest priorities.

I usually run a standard training program with about 12-15 sets per muscle group, 4 sets per exercise with 6-12 reps (usually 8 or 9). Then i mix it up with high volume training with (10x10 or 9x12 light if I'm feeling tired) or I might go with lower volume 12x6-8 heavy when I'm feeling strong :) Also try to do different isolation exercises each time - never doing the same two weeks in a row, every other chest and shoulder session i focus on different muscles - lower chest vs. upper, and lateral vs. anterior delts..

Now posting an example diet for each day will be hard as i change it almost every day, but meet the requirements percentagewise, and every food I eat is listed as sources.
What is the same every day is: Complex carbs (oatmeal on milk, eggs for breakfast), fast carbs/protein post workout.. fibrous carbs (veg sources) after that, and no carbs for the last meal. Carbing up days I mostly just split the carbs equally out during the day. Meals high in carbs are lower in fat and vice versa, protein is about the same each meal depending on how much I eat that day, amt. of calories is the same each meal and 3 hours between.

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So now maybe it will be easier to help me out? :)

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XNathan

02-24-2009, 12:18 PM

bf i think is 12-14%, jus a rough estimation based on ur pics? how did you find your 1st injections?

He is 8-10% BF for sure!

Reed

02-24-2009, 12:26 PM

Nope this is not what I wanted..... you just repeated everything

Needs to be like this

split the macros protein/carbs/fats/calories

Meal 1: 10 egg whites 50/0/0/250
1/2 cup of oats 6/27/2.5/150

PWO: 1 scoop of whey 21/4/1.5/150

etc etc

why??? you may ask so you know exactly what you are getting in everyday so you know you will be growing..... You can eat an equal amount of protein from different sources and not get the calories you need in order for your body to utilize. Example would be fish and steak..... saying you mix everything up seems to me that your diet is an absolute mess and you really DON'T have it organized in order to grow. Yeah you may have gained some weight but you sure thats 100% muscle or could it be fat and water.....

And at you size and weight why are you carb cycling????

Then your workout split needs to be outlined with detail you need to do the same exercises for a few weeks in a row in order to get better at THAT exercise then switch IMHO.... not one week I'll do lower chest, this week I'll do upper..... yes nice to confuse your body BUT you need to make sure you are getting better at that certain exercise otherwise you routine looks and sounds like a mess and you may not make the necessary improvements.....

do it like this

Chest
Incline Db press: 40lbs x10
50lb x8

Legs:
BB squats: 135lb x10
145lb x8

etc and break down each day with the weight you do the, reps, exercises for each part etc..... the whole bit

sorry if this is may be too hard but you should have figured it out before you started to cycle... This is the type of stuff that is done in order to be successful....

konateh

02-24-2009, 12:41 PM

Here is a picture i took right now:
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/konateh/Untitledtoday.jpg

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I have everything in perfect order, mixing it up is just another way of saying that I'm a creative guy in the kitchen :D - on my self-made excel spreadsheet, with tables, graphs etc. etc. , can send it to you by mail, but it pretty large as i only reset it once per month.

I do chest twice per week, so the same exercises will be on the next week that day...

I have gained some muscle, but ofcourse also some fat.. think it might be easier on the test though..?

The total breakdown will have to wait, it will take a long time to do that, but I think every information you need to guide me is given, so if you cant help me anymore it's O.K, starting this cycle I feel like I've got things figured out, but I'm open to get it figured out better from people with more experince etc, so I can make adjustments as needed...

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Reed

02-24-2009, 12:49 PM

ok save the pics

Get that spread sheet or whatever you got and post it ASAP

then I'd start utilizing this thread as a log to keep track of your progress... If I was you I'd look into a better training routine. Keep track on the exercises and weights you are doing everyday in here so we can watch you progress hopefully. Take a look at my log in the cycle section to see how to do it right :)

The best thing would be to keep that log alllllll the way through PCT just so you can prove us wrong as most that start like this usually lose interest due to lack of gains and progress and stop updating.... will you be one of the many.... we will see

T-MOS

02-24-2009, 12:53 PM

Reed, you are a better man than I for sticking with this.....!!!

I give up

Hamish&Andy

02-24-2009, 10:22 PM

You need food, not steroids.

konateh

02-26-2009, 03:37 PM

Just did my 4th injection, this time into the left thigh.. very comfortable injection site, easy to administer and completely painless.. this is definitavely my favorite site :)
Low day today, 125g carbs abour 2600 cals total, about the same as yesterday, maintinence tomorrow with about 175-200g carbs.. upped my sodium inntake so feeling a bit bloated. Did shoulders and 20 min cardio (!) yesterday.. managed to do an extra rep on my regular training weight for arnoldpresses, but might have gone a bit to heavy on the weights overall.. I'm doing some biceps later today and chest+abs tomorrow.

I'm now about 1.5 weeks into the cycle, not really noticing any effect of the testosterone, was atleast expecting a libido increase.. but guess I will just have to be patient, will keep you guys updated-

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skeldno

02-26-2009, 04:40 PM

4th shot + 3 days = 9th day

SUMMERY:

Test e is not a fast acting testosterone you wont feel anything from it for a while give it another 2 weeks then report back on it.

Reed

02-26-2009, 04:42 PM

So can you give us an example of some the your lifts in the gym??

Like what you pressed today and what you squat.....

Reed

02-27-2009, 03:08 PM

Bump to my above questions??

konateh

02-27-2009, 04:45 PM

So can you give us an example of some the your lifts in the gym??

Like what you pressed today and what you squat.....

I like that you are taking such an interest in my thread, so I'll try to write down my training sessions the way you wanted :)
I'm having some problems sticking to the diet, due to insulin spikes, my theory is that it is caused by mixing sweetener with lactose, but the overeating is all clean anyways so I hope to get it under control soon, and I think that upping cals on low & mod days will help me stay disciplined :/

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Chest session today:
Incline bench 3x8 - 30 kgs
Flat bench 3x8 - 30 kgs (high intensity)
Pullovers 3x8 - 25 kgs
Flies on bench 3x8 - 25 kgs

Jammed down 4500 kcal today at a 60/30/10 ratio.. Had the most amazing pump in chest and arms today during the session, the pump in the pectoralis minor gives a nice shape to the chest so i'm sticking to this exercise for a while even though I get some snapping sounds and pains in my shoulder, might have gone a bit to heavy, so focusing on doing the exercise 100% correctly so 27.5 kgs on monday.. Also bumped up the weight on my incline bench by 5 kilos (!), felt just like 25 kg on each hand.. Noticing some fat gain, but also noticing gains on my biceps and triceps especially so im sticking with the nutrient increase for now.. Went for a lower rep-range (around 5-8) for both bi's and tri's this week..

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TheJuicer

02-27-2009, 06:29 PM

What 30kg on bench...I did that in the 7th grade. WOW...

seriousmass

02-27-2009, 06:41 PM

I like that you are taking such an interest in my thread, so I'll try to write down my training sessions the way you wanted :)
I'm having some problems sticking to the diet, due to insulin spikes, my theory is that it is caused by mixing sweetener with lactose, but the overeating is all clean anyways so I hope to get it under control soon, and I think that upping cals on low & mod days will help me stay disciplined :/

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Chest session today:
Incline bench 3x8 - 30 kgs
Flat bench 3x8 - 30 kgs (high intensity)
Pullovers 3x8 - 25 kgs
Flies on bench 3x8 - 25 kgs

Jammed down 4500 kcal today at a 60/30/10 ratio.. Had the most amazing pump in chest and arms today during the session, the pump in the pectoralis minor gives a nice shape to the chest so i'm sticking to this exercise for a while even though I get some snapping sounds and pains in my shoulder, might have gone a bit to heavy, so focusing on doing the exercise 100% correctly so 27.5 kgs on monday.. Also bumped up the weight on my incline bench by 5 kilos (!), felt just like 25 kg on each hand.. Noticing some fat gain, but also noticing gains on my biceps and triceps especially so im sticking with the nutrient increase for now.. Went for a lower rep-range (around 5-8) for both bi's and tri's this week..

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all those #'s for chest are RIDICULOUS.

I know girls who can lift more then that!

104 pounds on bench press? WTF.

what is that... like 35 plates + the bar..

konateh

02-28-2009, 12:03 AM

all those #'s for chest are RIDICULOUS.

I know girls who can lift more then that!

104 pounds on bench press? WTF.

what is that... like 35 plates + the bar..

I was using dumbells.. 30 kgs means 30 kg each hand + the weight of the dumbell, I would have thought this was obvious:rolleyes:

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skeldno

03-01-2009, 04:06 AM

**** me! i think you need to wait before you do a cycle mate! get you strengh and size up for a while first.

When i first started i was about 9st well just under and my mate just gave me some oxys and said take some of these and you will grow so i started on half a day and went upto 1 i had no idea bout any steroids never heard of any types either so i just kept doing wot he said soon after i done some sust and deca no proper cycle just wot my mate said but i did put on size.

I think i would have got there natrally if i had pushed hard and eaten right but before i tried the gear i never pushed as hard as i do when i am on the gear and i suppose i dont push as hard now really.

these guys on here no wot there on about (even tho they are cocky gits lol) and you suld follow there instructions mate wot ever you think is best!

I swear if you do wot they say you will get big!!!!

RoidBoid

03-01-2009, 05:27 AM

phaha , why, why why...... ino u gota start sumwere but fek me, u need serious food.... ur gonna do damage, u are not developed even, u havent even started filling out

konateh

03-01-2009, 02:37 PM

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5th injection, 100mg enth + 25mg prop into right thigh.. went smoothly :) Not feeling any changes as of yet, other than my appetite is going completely crazy, feel like I could eat unlimited.. 4500 kcal down today at a 60p/25c/15f ratio - ate a lot of cottage cheese, should add that, should add that to protein sources at the first post and update my diet as I'm bulking clean.. Other than cottage cheese I got my protein from cottage cheese, ham, tuna, skim milk, chicken, turkey, salmon and egg whites today.. Fat from olive oil, cottage cheese mostly and salmon.. Got my carbs from the milk and oatmeal.. So it's clean but may have been a bit to much..

As for the last two posts, if someone could translate these into English for me I would be very thankful :)
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AnimalGear

03-01-2009, 07:35 PM

I doubt you ate 4500 calories...

Reed

03-01-2009, 08:49 PM

I like that you are taking such an interest in my thread, so I'll try to write down my training sessions the way you wanted :)
I'm having some problems sticking to the diet, due to insulin spikes, my theory is that it is caused by mixing sweetener with lactose, but the overeating is all clean anyways so I hope to get it under control soon, and I think that upping cals on low & mod days will help me stay disciplined :/

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Chest session today:
Incline bench 3x8 - 30 kgs
Flat bench 3x8 - 30 kgs (high intensity)
Pullovers 3x8 - 25 kgs
Flies on bench 3x8 - 25 kgs

Jammed down 4500 kcal today at a 60/30/10 ratio.. Had the most amazing pump in chest and arms today during the session, the pump in the pectoralis minor gives a nice shape to the chest so i'm sticking to this exercise for a while even though I get some snapping sounds and pains in my shoulder, might have gone a bit to heavy, so focusing on doing the exercise 100% correctly so 27.5 kgs on monday.. Also bumped up the weight on my incline bench by 5 kilos (!), felt just like 25 kg on each hand.. Noticing some fat gain, but also noticing gains on my biceps and triceps especially so im sticking with the nutrient increase for now.. Went for a lower rep-range (around 5-8) for both bi's and tri's this week..

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Are we sure that we are using dumbbells???..... I can't see you pressing the 60s or 70s its ok that you got a 105lbs bench press..... I can see that in the way you're built... what about leg day.... i want to see you write that day out

You may start running it to joint and tendon issues while on juice since you never developed or started properly and actually became accustomed to the weights..... Another reason why you wait.... Your muscles will become stronger but your joints won't.... becareful

Also I see no reason to rotate carbs in your diet.... go to the diet section and look in the bulking diet and work it out for you......

konateh

03-02-2009, 03:21 AM

I doubt you ate 4500 calories...

4548 to be exact, wasn't really that hard but seems it's pretty much my limit for foods with this kind of density.. Could do more if I added some denser foods like ricei etc.
Woke up with some extreme bloat on my face today also :/ But managed to get this brekfast down regardless:

PRODUCT GRAM KCAL P C F
Kefir 0% (Skim Milk) 400g 100 13 12.0 0.0
Fibers 25g 27 4 3.7 1.0
Quaker Oats 15g 55 2 9.0 1.2
Eggewhites 395g 182 40 5.1 0.0

KCAL P C F
363 59 30 2.2

Also took my vitamins and some ***** 3 capsules - ready for a new day :) just wish this bloat (mushroom face) would go away :/

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I never had much problems with my tendons other than the standard shoulder injury I got from when I first started training that stuck with me, but it is gone now.
The last 4 years have actually been 3 years training with a 1-1.5 year break inbetween, Was up to benching 95 kgs and using 35kg dumbells on each hand on the incline bench.. but like I said, chest was always my weakest muscles and I also have long extremities - making the way of the movement longer, so if I ever reach 100 kgs max on bench, I'm celebrating BIGTIME :)

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konateh

03-04-2009, 02:47 PM

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Thanks for the feedback guys, I am going to keep up the eating, last couple of days has been 4500, 3500, 3000.. :) Updated the first post with the new workplan for my diet etc.

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My Stats:
Age: 20
Height: 6feet 3inches / 192 cm
Weight: 83 kgs / 185 Ibs
BF: 12-16% (??)

My Cycle:
Testosterone Enanthate 125mg + Propionate 25mg /3days = 350mg/week for 12 weeks
Nolva/Clomid for PCT

Goals for cycle:
Add 2-5 kg muscle and loose some fat while I'm at it - Ultimate goal 90kgs 7%bf.

My Training:
Monday - Chest + Back
Tuesday - Abs
Wednesday - Shoulders + Triceps
Thursday - Biceps + Legs
Friday - Chest + Abs

My Diet:

aiming for 2800-3500 kcals depending on the day
55-60% protein - 30-35% carbs - 15-25% fat ratio..
350-400g protein - 200-400g carbs - 50-60g fat
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I try to do 4 low, 2 mod and 1 high carb day per week.
Meals are equally split into 6 meals with 50-60g protein each.
Meal 1: high complex carbs
Meal 2,3,4: 30-40g starchy carbs
Meal 5 (Postworkout): 60g fast carbs
Meal 6: 0-10 g fibrous carbs

Protein Sources: eggwhites, lean ham/beef, fat free milk, salmon, cottage cheese,
Carb Sources: oatmeal, fat free milk, Supplements (Dietary etc.)
Veg Carb Sources: Caluiflower, Brussels Sprouts, Spinach, Broccoli, Mushrooms.
Fat Sources: Olive Oil ,Canola Oil, salmon, Avocado Oil, ***** 3 capsules.

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Will try to keep you updated with pictures of my progress. Any feedback/criticism is appreciated - I am open for suggestions and advice on all points (especially diet).

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Had my 5th (?) injection today, 125mg enanthate + 25mg propionate into right glute..
I'm two weeks in today, not really feeling any changes, but I keep getting stronger and making some minor gains in both fat and muscle it seems.. but think it's mostly because of the excess cals..

Felt some minor pain in my nipples today.. think it's just my mind but it's not impossible that it's the estrogen taking over as the concentration of the test from the propionate decreases rapidly within two days, and my injections are every three days.. so will have to start doing some nolva if I notice anything developing.. keeps worrying me though :/

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Hamish&Andy

03-04-2009, 07:52 PM

What 30kg on bench...I did that in the 7th grade. WOW...

I hope he means 30kg on each hand doing dumbbell bench.

I have a bad feeling I'm wrong.

AandF6969

03-05-2009, 03:17 AM

Eat more.

Lift heavier.

/thread

pinhead666

03-05-2009, 01:21 PM

thumbs up

konateh

03-07-2009, 03:54 PM

Had my 6th injection today, 125mg enanthate + 25mg propionate into Left glute..
Still training an eating enormous amounts of clean food.
Been having some problems sleeping lately, other than that.. nothing new..

Lfs2shrt2bsml

03-08-2009, 01:06 AM

angelina jolie might adopt you if you lived in africa..... pick up a fork and eat

lozza89

03-08-2009, 10:02 AM

aiming for 2800 - 3500 cals a day what a waste of good gear, personally on a bulking cycle if consider it a wasted day if i didnt get over 4500 cals a day but thats just me, and thats without steroids..

Kiki

03-08-2009, 03:28 PM

hey konateh, don't let some of the really nasty comments pull you down. However, i'm going to be completely honest with you man, you're extremely skinny. Look, I used to be like you, just as skinny with no muscle because I didn't eat anything pretty much and didn't go to gym or do any sports. Over the course of 4 years I started eating alot of junk food, I filled out alot, even developed a stomach.

After a year and a half of gym, I started juice prematurely, but I don't regret it. However I gotta say that man you're extremely skinny, and going on juice won't really make things better for you/improve your physique unless you put on that weight.

You seriously need to eat man, even if you feel like you're going to vomit because you can't eat anymore, just need to focus on your goals and cram that food down.

In terms of the juice, I won't tell you not to because then i'd be contradicting, but be careful and I hope you get the best results possible.

Dangerdan

03-08-2009, 04:57 PM

DangerDan hearts this thread. Funny stuff.

konateh

03-08-2009, 07:00 PM

You seriously need to eat man, even if you feel like you're going to vomit because you can't eat anymore, just need to focus on your goals and cram that food down.

This is exactly how i feel pretty much 24/7 when trying to get 4500 kcal down :/ so I'm hitting those numbers as often as I can, never going below 3000 so don't worry about the food you guys, I think a lot of you will be surprised when the update pics comes when I'm 6 weeks in :)

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konateh

03-11-2009, 04:40 AM

7th injection 125 mg enanthate + 25 mg propionate yesterday into left deltoid..
Experiencing some _severe_ bloat and fatgain, increased appetite is killing me, eating way more than i should so have to try and restrict myself again..
7th injection E3D = 21 days = 3 weeks in now..
bis: bloat (!), wolf hunger, insomnia, sweating.. not really loving the test atm..

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lozza89

03-11-2009, 09:32 AM

lol do not restrict yourself from eating if i was you id eat as much as physically possible.

D7M

03-11-2009, 09:37 AM

lol do not restrict yourself from eating if i was you id eat as much as physically possible.

big x2 on that one.

OP, you best bet is to eat your butt off....just keeping eating clean food till it hurts.

tadpoleboyy

03-11-2009, 12:48 PM

you look like your pretty gyno-prone, better keep the AIs handy

konateh

03-11-2009, 08:41 PM

big x2 on that one.

OP, you best bet is to eat your butt off....just keeping eating clean food till it hurts.

try this on yourself instead :P

you look like your pretty gyno-prone, better keep the AIs handy

Yes, you are right.. I have actually allready had gyno surgery around 1 year ago, but due to some post-op complications as well as tendency to form excessive scar tissue I'm not so happy with the results. The MD removed all the glandular tissue on both sides, so the chance of it coming back is pretty small. I have talked to several MD's about this and there are mixed opinions, some say that was caused by hypertrophy and thus when there is nothing to grow, it wont grow.. And others say that hyperplasia is still possible and if there is even a single cell remaining that it can come back again even though it will take longer.. anyone have some input on this?

Experienced some minor increase in libido today :D and tried lowering my carb and sodium intake- wich seems to have taken care of the worst oedema, but i'm still having some minor bloat that I might just have to get used to :)

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konateh

03-14-2009, 12:21 AM

8th injection 125 mg enanthate + 25 mg propionate yesterday into right deltoid.. aspirated and drew blood, and this injection really hurts, site is still aching.
Having some serious problems with my diet, almost like I have no leptin at all, have added over 10 kgs over the last 3 months, and most of it fat. It's like I'm not able to eat ONE meal, everytime I eat, I just keep eating all the food in the house until I can't eat any more.. but anyways, who cares? I'll try to keep those of you finding this thread interesting/useful/entertaining updated.

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elvis presli

03-15-2009, 06:18 AM

DSM4Life

03-15-2009, 03:58 PM

All i can say to this is :lol:

Hunter-S-Thompson

03-15-2009, 04:46 PM

i dont know why so many people talk about it being so hard to get 4500 k down thats NOTHING im on the beginning of my test cycle eating 4-closer to 5000 cals a day and im still hungry, even thinking of upping my meals to about 9 a day at about 700 cals a day and maybe even further once the test kicks in full force... but anyway im 22 will b 23 soon and i just started on this stuff, im not gonna sit here and scould you but just be careful, i never got into this stuff previously b/c my bro started prohormones when he was 17 and started cycling when he was 19, all he does now is cycle, i mean he takes proper time off, etc, but whenever hes not on he gets fat as f**k b/c he has no idea what a proper diet means and eats waaaay to much, id say half being chicken, rice, good stuff and the other half being garbage. sure he gets huge and even cut up on cycle when he uses tren, winny, clen but as soon as its gone his crap diet comes into play and hes a fata** again.. that wont be your problem probably, you might gain while on cycle and lose everything b/c you dont eat enough. your skinny as sh*t dude, i mean just be careful is all im saying, once you get off cycle make sure to EAT and i mean a lot, if you want to gain thats the only way.

konateh

03-16-2009, 03:33 PM

Seems like a bad idea to me pal. we are a similar height i think and im much heavier sure my bf% is higher too but im sure you could achieve much more naturally, people are gonna be nasty and take the piss because its people like you that give steroids a bad name when your body funks up and your health suffers. id quit now dont forget pct.

It's good that you are following the overall norm in this forum about what is - and is not justified steroid-use, a good way for a brand new member to get a nice and smooth transition into one of the peripheral roles of the group. Your post really had me thinking today if maybe my cycle isn't such a good idea, and I contemplated what results I should realistically expect from 12 weeks of 350mg test, clean overeating and consistent training. I came to the conclusion that the worst possible outcome for me would be that I ended up looking just like you... but then again, that wouldn't be all that bad? since then I would have achieved in under 6 months what you have done in.. 5 years of training experience was it?.. As for my body "funking up", I'm a healthy 20-year old running moderate dose of a single compound - 350mg testosterone/week on a clean diet with regular physical activity and I'm monitoring bp, and various blood values.. so what exactly have I overlooked when taking my health into consideration?
One more question for you, I see that you emphasized the importance of PCT, actually I'm a bit confused about this, why don't you make a suggestion as to what compounds and at what dosages and for how long I should be running them?

i dont know why so many people talk about it being so hard to get 4500 k down thats NOTHING im on the beginning of my test cycle eating 4-closer to 5000 cals a day and im still hungry, even thinking of upping my meals to about 9 a day at about 700 cals a day and maybe even further once the test kicks in full force... but anyway im 22 will b 23 soon and i just started on this stuff, im not gonna sit here and scould you but just be careful, i never got into this stuff previously b/c my bro started prohormones when he was 17 and started cycling when he was 19, all he does now is cycle, i mean he takes proper time off, etc, but whenever hes not on he gets fat as f**k b/c he has no idea what a proper diet means and eats waaaay to much, id say half being chicken, rice, good stuff and the other half being garbage. sure he gets huge and even cut up on cycle when he uses tren, winny, clen but as soon as its gone his crap diet comes into play and hes a fata** again.. that wont be your problem probably, you might gain while on cycle and lose everything b/c you dont eat enough. your skinny as sh*t dude, i mean just be careful is all im saying, once you get off cycle make sure to EAT and i mean a lot, if you want to gain thats the only way.
Yesterday 03:58 PM

I don't think you should be comparing me to your friend, we are in no ways similar. In fact I seem to be having a much harder time sticking to my diet while on cycle compared to when being off cycle.. If you think 4-5k/day is to little, and you are still hungry you are eating to much calorie-dense food, try changing some of the rice/potatoes/pasta for some vegetables, and I know it's expensive but stop drinking so many shakes and start eating real food - they are much more filling. I think this would do the trick :)

As for me I'm still eating as much as I can hold in clean foods and gaining both fat and muscle. Bloat seem to be bearable as long as I keep my sodium moderately low and my carbs under 400g/day.
Had another injection today 125mg enanthate + 25 mg propionate into Left Thigh - Still a bit sore in right delt after friday's injection, but what to expect after going through a vein and pumping 0.75 cc's of oil into the muscle :)
Thigh and glutes also seems to be giving me much more stable blood values - slower release, delt's seem to have a much steeper curve of distribution the first 24 hours or so and has also got a higher peak value (this would explain the sudden inconsistent increase in libido), but it also decreases much more rapidly (gyno symptoms). So I decided to do the injection 3 hours before schedule - 1.5 hours before on the next one etc.

I'm currently about 3 weeks in I think, I will make another update with picture, progress in weight gain, strength gain etc. at week 6 when I'm half-way into the cycle.

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Hunter-S-Thompson

03-16-2009, 07:04 PM

well first when i said my bro its my actual brother im talking about not a friend, and i know your nothing like him you both have different issues one being eating too much and one being eating not enough. and second when did i say that half of my nutrition came from shakes i dont remember saying anything about my diet, i eat properly i just happen to enjoy eating and know how to put the calories in. all i was saying is you obviously dont eat that much with a body like you have now, and to make sure to continue to eat the way you are eating on cycle and keep the calories up to keep your gains. im just trying to help out.. im not perfect either and i could care less that your cycling at 20 years old im not your guardian, live your life the way you see fit, make your own educated decisions based upon research and proper knowledge, and when you fu*k up like we ALL do sometimes, know the consequences youll have to pay. no ones perfect. again i was only offering constructive critisism, after all your thread name is "started my first cycle, advice?"

RoidBoid

03-17-2009, 08:43 AM

lol tests will give u some understanding but its the damage ur doing that tests dont show. at ur age and stats ur gona do more wrong then good. u will regret this mark my words. maybe not soon but in years to come

konateh

03-17-2009, 09:34 AM

Reed

03-17-2009, 10:43 AM

I think you hint everyone of these points of why you shouldn't cycle

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=332958

elvis presli

03-17-2009, 02:31 PM

gears just what you need looking forward to seeing the results, when im ready im thinking of test e. feel better?

konateh

03-19-2009, 08:40 AM

Reed

03-19-2009, 08:51 AM

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Yes Reed, that is the thread i was referring to. I'm going to finish this cycle now to set an example for other people in my situation wanting to try gear cause from the way it's looking I'm very likely to end up in worse shape than when I started the cycle- honest.

Injection #10 - 125 mg enanthate + 25 mg propionate into right tigh, routine..
This means I'm 30 days - more than 4 weeks in and the test has still not kicked in (!)

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And why do you feel this way.... What has happened????

It doesn't just kick in all of the sudden.... it should build up. You are noticing some libido increases aren't you??? Thought I read that earlier. And 350mg of test is a real low dose. 500-750mg are considered a beginners cycle dose. Not saying you won't see results.

Has long as you have your PCT in order and will need to increase your kcals in order to maintain any new gains you have made you should be alright.... Then just continue training for a year or two. Learn the basics, get your strength up naturally, diet down pat, learn your body better (ie what programs, diets, exercises work for you) then maybe consider another cycle. Your young and don't want to become reliant on drugs at your size and strength.

konateh

03-23-2009, 01:47 PM

And why do you feel this way.... What has happened????

It doesn't just kick in all of the sudden.... it should build up. You are noticing some libido increases aren't you??? Thought I read that earlier. And 350mg of test is a real low dose. 500-750mg are considered a beginners cycle dose. Not saying you won't see results.

Has long as you have your PCT in order and will need to increase your kcals in order to maintain any new gains you have made you should be alright.... Then just continue training for a year or two. Learn the basics, get your strength up naturally, diet down pat, learn your body better (ie what programs, diets, exercises work for you) then maybe consider another cycle. Your young and don't want to become reliant on drugs at your size and strength.

Good comment :)

Had my 11th injection yesterday (Sunday) into right thigh..
Am suffering from some MAJOR bloating issues at the moment, have been keeping my kcal intake steady at 4500 kcals, and I'm gaining both fat, muscle and water rapidly.. but this is causing me to hold _a lot_ of water, especially in my feet, actally had to wear sandals today since I couldn't get any of my shoes on (!), tempting to start nolva (the pack is right in front of me:tear:) but saving this for PCT and considering adding some kind of aromatase inhibitor for the rest of the cycle, or simply lower my kcal intake drastically...

350mg is like 5 or 6 times what i normally would produce, so I should really see some results.. as I said, I am gaining weight like crazy but it is to be expected solely from the caloric excess and muscle memory coming into play.

The plan right now is to just try and gain as much lbm as possible the remaining 10 weeks of the cycle, and run some clen/t3 while doing PCT and then keep training and dieting natty for a while :)

Have to eat aproximately 69kcal extra/day for each pound of mucle gained, isn't that about right reed? correct me if I'm wrong

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RichXXl

03-23-2009, 02:44 PM

Why didn't you train the first 1 or 2 years naturel? It is stupid to take immideately steriods.. it is the easiest way offcourse.
And eat more, double your food (5000kcal).

WARMachine

03-23-2009, 05:56 PM

konateh

03-24-2009, 01:16 AM

Ok i thought i was being rough on you a little before, despite you being dead wrong about the advice you give out, i assumed you had a little sense, but then i see your stats and knowledge level in your log here, and it confirms you should NOT giving out advice AT ALL!

6 week anavar only cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379216

I'm not here to play doctor, but I give advice based on my knowledge, and if I do this or not is not dependent on you, but if you have any intellectual arguments/opinions about something, than I don't mind a discussion, but in that thread people start behaving like children - not something I'm wasting my time on :) I think that if you made a log like this with this much honesty and detail, most of the guys here would say the same to you.

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WARMachine

03-24-2009, 01:39 AM

I think that if you made a log like this with this much honesty and detail, most of the guys here would say the same to you.

Bro ive been putting upwards of 100kgs (which you said youd be happy with if you ever got there) since i was 18 and weighed 79kgs.

I'm not here to play doctor, but I give advice based on my knowledge(Which is limited at best, and dangerous at worst.), and if I do this or not is not dependent on you, but if you have any intellectual arguments/opinions about something, than I don't mind a discussion, but in that thread people start behaving like children - not something I'm wasting my time on

If you had any knowledge in the least, you wouldve waited on this current cycle. As like everyone here has already said, youre nowhere near close enough to begin.

So why dont you do everyone a favor and not had out advice to things you have no clue about. Like AAS, Dieting, working out, etc...

Worry about yourself pal, and trust me, with what ive seen thus far, you should.

jay112

03-24-2009, 03:57 AM

konateh

03-24-2009, 09:07 AM

I will be honest with you my friend

i have seen numerous guys at the gym start steroids with no solid base, if you start of being skinny during the course you may bloat and add water giving you the impression its solid gains but a few weeks after the cycle they all return to their normal skinny structure,

now you dont want to be doing this for the rest of your life bloating up and down, your body knows your thin and will do anything after your cycle to go back to its normal state being thin.

If you could reach around 200lbs naturally through hard training and dieting and then you decide if you want to cycle because if you do then at least you have a solid base to start with

I have not been this thin for long.
I started out at 110 kgs with bad diet and no training, started training summer 2005 and trained/dieted for until summer 2007, was at 90 kgs about 10% bf. Then i stopped training for one year (until autumn 2008) and i got really thin - about 78kgs, then I started training again some around christmas this year.. I was 83 kgs when I started the cycle - hoping to get back in the condition I was in before my pause from lifting and dieting

If im honest i think you may be miscalculating with your calorie readings and getting to technical with the figures

What makes you say this??

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Hunter-S-Thompson

03-24-2009, 10:57 AM

Good comment :)

Had my 11th injection yesterday (Sunday) into right thigh..
Am suffering from some MAJOR bloating issues at the moment, have been keeping my kcal intake steady at 4500 kcals, and I'm gaining both fat, muscle and water rapidly.. but this is causing me to hold _a lot_ of water, especially in my feet, actally had to wear sandals today since I couldn't get any of my shoes on (!), tempting to start nolva (the pack is right in front of me:tear:) but saving this for PCT and considering adding some kind of aromatase inhibitor for the rest of the cycle, or simply lower my kcal intake drastically...

350mg is like 5 or 6 times what i normally would produce, so I should really see some results.. as I said, I am gaining weight like crazy but it is to be expected solely from the caloric excess and muscle memory coming into play.

The plan right now is to just try and gain as much lbm as possible the remaining 10 weeks of the cycle, and run some clen/t3 while doing PCT and then keep training and dieting natty for a while :)

Have to eat aproximately 69kcal extra/day for each pound of mucle gained, isn't that about right reed? correct me if I'm wrong

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couldnt fit into your shoes!!?? hahah holy $hit dude... no offense... i mean thats just some funny $hit

diesel094

03-24-2009, 04:50 PM

watch the gyno man... it looks like u might be getting it a little... 10 mg of nolva/day should help

konateh

03-24-2009, 05:08 PM

watch the gyno man... it looks like u might be getting it a little... 10 mg of nolva/day should help

Explained the gyno-issue before, read through the second page and you'll find it. Like I said, I'm saving the nolva for pct. If I were to include something to combat the estrogen related sides it would be arimidex, but first and foremost I need to change up my diet - maybe post it in the narkissos thread and get some quality feedback on how to keep the fat gain and water retention to a minimum..

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Reed

03-24-2009, 05:24 PM

konateh

03-25-2009, 01:39 AM

are you really having gyno and water retention issues at your dose???

when you say you are eating 4500-5000 kcals for your weight i would say that is too much..... how much protein, carbs, and fats you getting in now???

Gyno issues - no
Diet related water retention - yes

Been keeping the ratios from 40-40-20 to 45-45-10 .. you get the idea..

Yes, it is to much.. think that is exactly what Narkissos would say also :)

Calculated my BMR to be 1961
According to the Harris Benedict formula - 1961 * 1,4 = 2745

Now, for bulking I should stay at around 3000-3200 I guess
Cutting I will just start at 2700 and see how it develops.:
What do you think?

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WARMachine

03-25-2009, 03:15 AM

I have not been this thin for long.
I started out at 110 kgs with bad diet and no training, started training summer 2005 and trained/dieted for until summer 2007, was at 90 kgs about 10% bf. Then i stopped training for one year (until autumn 2008) and i got really thin - about 78kgs, then I started training again some around christmas this year.. I was 83 kgs when I started the cycle - hoping to get back in the condition I was in before my pause from lifting and dieting

What makes you say this??

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Yeah ok bro. You lost 12kgs in one year and gained 5% BF. Yeah sure, thats totally logical. :aajack:

konateh

03-25-2009, 08:43 AM

12th injection today (wednesday 15:30) into left PECTORAL..
125 mg enanthate + 25 mg prop - 12th injection E3D = 26 days = 3.7 weeks into the cycle
Went well but can definitavely sense a bit more soreness post-inj. as it is not a huge muscle :/ but overall I'm satisfied with adding yet another two muscles to my injection rotation schedule :)

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Reed

03-25-2009, 08:59 AM

Gyno issues - no
Diet related water retention - yes

Been keeping the ratios from 40-40-20 to 45-45-10 .. you get the idea..

Yes, it is to much.. think that is exactly what Narkissos would say also :)

Calculated my BMR to be 1961
According to the Harris Benedict formula - 1961 * 1,4 = 2745

Now, for bulking I should stay at around 3000-3200 I guess
Cutting I will just start at 2700 and see how it develops.:
What do you think?

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Macros look good, get you some fish oil (0mega-3) and start mega dosing that. Use the Katch-McArdle formula:

calculates BMR based on lean body weight. Which means you'll need to get a ACCURATE bodyfat test in order to use this

BMR: basal metabolic rate
TDEE: total daily energy expenditure
BMR (men and women) = 370 + (21.6 X lean mass in kg)

Then, using the BMR, TDEE is calculated using the activity multiplier:

Activity Multiplier:

Sedentary = BMR X 1.2 (little or no exercise, desk job)
Lightly active = BMR X 1.375 (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk)
Mod. active = BMR X 1.55 (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk)
Very active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk)
Extr. active = BMR X 1.9 (hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or 2X day training)

I would never see a need for you to cut at the current moment.... what would you cut into ya know.... people get the idea around here and other places thinking if they cut they get a full physique with abs, chest etc or something for the beach when they have a very small muscle base to cut into which leads to less then stellar results

konateh

03-25-2009, 11:53 AM

Macros look good, get you some fish oil (0mega-3) and start mega dosing that.

Will do, used to go through an udo's choice bottle like nothing back in the day - should get some.. Am currently taking *****3 capsules with every meal.. each capsule has 1000mg of fish oil.. how much should I be taking - keep macros the same or add fat/cut carbs?

calculates BMR based on lean body weight. Which means you'll need to get a ACCURATE bodyfat test in order to use this

They don't have this at my gym :/ Friend of mine (who is a personal trainer) made a rough estimate at 15%, I'm currently 88 kgs..

What is your take on digital weights measuring body composition?

I would never see a need for you to cut at the current moment.... what would you cut into ya know.... people get the idea around here and other places thinking if they cut they get a full physique with abs, chest etc or something for the beach when they have a very small muscle base to cut into which leads to less then stellar results

Hehe.. I can see that :) Not planning on cutting now anyways, want to get huge - leaning more towards Flex Wheeler than Tyler Durden if you know what i mean :P

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seriousmass

03-25-2009, 11:56 AM

bump for updated pictures.

UncleTim

03-25-2009, 12:31 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

Stop your cycle, do the diet in the above thread for a while then judge where your at.

youngerlion

03-25-2009, 02:32 PM

dude you need to stop roids and eat and train better. You look like Christian Bale in The Machinist. please eat. when i saw your pics i ran straight to the kitchen to eat my dam self. if your goals are self esteem then u are in for a sad day when the roids start coming off and u loose the motivation u lacked before this premature cycle. if u cant bench your body weight at least ten times then you need to improve alot before thinking of cycling. your confidence will go up with your dedication and discipline before cycle and you might find that steroids might not be the answer for what goals you are trying to achieve. honestly you looked a lil better pre cycle pics in 07' (thats my opinion). keeep training hard and you will make your goals. you will not make much growth and u deminish nattie test production for nada at your level and age bro. good day and good luck to you.

Reed

03-25-2009, 05:53 PM

OK people I think he gets the point by now.... You aren't going to tell him anything that hasn't already been said 1,000x

No point in bashing him over and over. I think this board is a no flame board correct me if I'm wrong.

He started his cycle and it is HIS choice in the end.

Reed

03-25-2009, 06:00 PM

Will do, used to go through an udo's choice bottle like nothing back in the day - should get some.. Am currently taking *****3 capsules with every meal.. each capsule has 1000mg of fish oil.. how much should I be taking - keep macros the same or add fat/cut carbs?

They don't have this at my gym :/ Friend of mine (who is a personal trainer) made a rough estimate at 15%, I'm currently 88 kgs..

What is your take on digital weights measuring body composition?

Hehe.. I can see that :) Not planning on cutting now anyways, want to get huge - leaning more towards Flex Wheeler than Tyler Durden if you know what i mean :P

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I'd say get in around 30 grams of fish oil a day. Have that replace part of the fat intake you have now... I cannot stress how important fats are for muscle growth. I experienced this first hand, can eat all the carbs and protein I want but if I don't get in enough fat then I'm spinning my wheels

Depends on the digital machine.... Look up the bodpod. If you live near a university I'm willing to bet they might have one. It'll cost you a few bucks but you'll get the most accurate measurement that way...

Well you got a long way to go with Flex Wheeler ;) Tyler Durden status wouldn't be that far off.... he was small IMO in the movie.

keep logs of your weights you move and each week you go back MAKE SURE you at least do 1 more rep then the week before or more weight, thats how you know you'll be gaining in the gym.... the rest will be diet