2 quick questions...

[Alfred]

if ive trained my abs well enough, at what bf % do you think i should be able to see deffinition ?

also can you guys reccomend another outter pec exersize for me aside from flyes or the other "conventional" ones...

[yellows2k]

im about 12-13, i can see the top 4, probably under 10 and u can see all 6

[temperoath]

I'd say about 9 or 10 till they show...7 and they should be getting ripped!