Please check out my ridiculous pics and give me advice PLEASE

[Toenail Juice Z]

http://www.powerlabs.com/george.jpg

Please be patient and read what I have to say before giving me any advice.

As you can see from my face in the picture, I am very DISTRESSED. I've been busting my ass in the gym for over 2 years, and have nothing to show for it. What's worse is I had a bodyfat test done and the results came out a wopping 26.5% bodyfat (I couldn't beleive it, so basically if I lose the bodyfat, I will just be the 154lb skinny **** I was 2 years ago before I began lifting. As soon as I saw the pictures, I have never been more depressed in my whole life. I've decided to fork out some money and hire a personal trainer because I must be doing something wrong!

All the dbols, testosterones and decas have just made me look like a fat monster!
For 2 years I have never done cardio, because I was trying to bulk up by using 3 sets with heavy weights. BUT LOOK WHAT IVE GOT TO SHOW FOR IT.

What bothers me is my diet has nearly always been clean, but I take the antidepressant anafranil which has a bad side effect (gaining weight). I'm not sure however if that is where the problem is. WHERE DID ALL THIS FAT COME FROM?

I have no cuts, no definition whatsoever except from when I'm pumped up after an intense gym ssession. I can't beleive that my chest doesn't even show when I'm not pumped up!!!!!!!

Anyway my stats at the moment are 5ft 11" 26.5%bodyfat, and 209lbs.

I need all of your expert advice. Please comment on my ridiculous body and tell me what options I have at my disposal

Discrace me if you want, after all I deserve it. I love bodybuilding though and I don't intent to stop!

(BTW in the second picture I am not tensing just relaxed)

[GenuinePL]

Hey bro.

Well first, stop taking those antidepressants. Then work on your diet (work it well). Diet is the key. What's your diet like, so we could help you out.

In gym. Start doing 12 reps in your workouts with 30sec rest between sets and 60sec rest between exercises.

Work on you mood. So, you're happy and have a goal that you really want to accomplish.

Train hard, eat well and you will be fine.

[block]

thers no way that your bf is 26% and are you sure that the gear was real. what are your lifts bench ect

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by GenuinePL
Hey bro.

Well first, stop taking those antidepressants. Then work on your diet (work it well). Diet is the key. What's your diet like, so we could help you out.

In gym. Start doing 12 reps in your workouts with 30sec rest between sets and 60sec rest between exercises.

Work on you mood. So, you're happy and have a goal that you really want to accomplish.

Train hard, eat well and you will be fine.


Cheers for the reply, my diet is as follows:

Morning - A bowl of cornflakes and a weight gain drink

Snack1: Tuna fish, milk & some fruit

Afternoon: Whatever food there is. (It's never fattening though)

Snack 2: Tuna fish or a T-Bone steak or a chicken breast

Snack 3: (Post workout): Twinlabs super mass weight gainer

Evening: Tuna Fish and an weight gain drink.

That's it!

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by block
thers no way that your bf is 26% and are you sure that the gear was real. what are your lifts bench ect

The gear was real alright, because I was constantly gaining weight, especially during the first 4 weeks taking 40mg's of D-Bol

It's embarassing to say it, but this is actually my 4th cycle. I am now on week four of 750mg Primoteston (Test Enanthate)/week and 400mg Deca/week. I've just finished 4 week 40mg/day dbol cycle however.

My body gets heavier, but it doesn't look any better:(

Perhaps I should start some cardio for the first time.

[block]

shit when I first started weight lifting I could only bench 115 and 4 for years later its gone up 200lbs and that with a bad deit you know drinking eating crap for food all you have to do is lift untill you cant move make your self get great burns I promise if you eat half way good food and lift hard you will see a difference within 2 months.
lift 5 times a week and do cardio on the wk ends

[GenuinePL]

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z



Cheers for the reply, my diet is as follows:

Morning - A bowl of cornflakes and a weight gain drink

Snack1: Tuna fish, milk & some fruit

Afternoon: Whatever food there is. (It's never fattening though)

Snack 2: Tuna fish or a T-Bone steak or a chicken breast

Snack 3: (Post workout): Twinlabs super mass weight gainer

Evening: Tuna Fish and an weight gain drink.

That's it!

Hey bro, your diet it's not really good.
First stop taking the damn weight gainer. Instead take whey protein.
You got to get more food warity there, you have to much powder shit in there. trust.
Get more real food with lots of protein in it.
I'll try to work something out

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by block
thers no way that your bf is 26% and are you sure that the gear was real. what are your lifts bench ect

I had my bodyfat measured by a professional trainer, with those new style calipers that have a guage on them.

I never do barbell bench press, I much prefer using dumbels .

Well for the first set I lift 75lbs (in each hand) for about 6-10 reps (basically until failure),
for the second set I use 65lbs dumbells and pull out a couple more reps.
for the 3rd set I usually use 65lbs dumbells again and try to train to failure.

Are my lifts satisfactory?

For biceps I do 3 sets of standing barbell curls. I begin with 90lbs e-z bar, then I drop the weight to 80lbs, and then finally for the third set I drop the weight to 70lbs or 60lbs depending how I feel.

I usually workout in this manner and always do 3 different exercises for the same muscle group (with the same number of sets (3).

I hope this helps you.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by GenuinePL
Hey bro.

Well first, stop taking those antidepressants. Then work on your diet (work it well). Diet is the key. What's your diet like, so we could help you out.



Unfortinately I cannot stop taking the antidepressants because I suffer from an anxiety disorder and extreme nervousness.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by block
shit when I first started weight lifting I could only bench 115 and 4 for years later its gone up 200lbs and that with a bad deit you know drinking eating crap for food all you have to do is lift untill you cant move make your self get great burns I promise if you eat half way good food and lift hard you will see a difference within 2 months.
lift 5 times a week and do cardio on the wk ends

So are my lifts quite good?

[GenuinePL]

Here is a diet that I just made up. Try it. try it hard.

Meal 1
2 cups Oats
1 cup Skim Milk
Protein Shake

Meal 2
2 Tuna Sandwiches (Rye Bread)
2 non-fat yogurts

Meal 3
10 Oz Chicken
Cup Cottage Cheese (Fat Free)
2 Sweet Potatoes

Meal 4
Protein shake
Fruits (real)

Meal5
10oz steak or chicken
Veggies (salad w/ fat free dressing)
1 cup Skim Milk
Pasta (not to much)

Meal 6
1 Cup Cottage Cheese or Oats
Protein shake


About those antidepressants. You got to figure something out because they will make you feel like shit. I don't know what are you going to do but you got to get yourself in better mood and believe in yourself.

As far as the gym part. You have been training for 2 years and do only 75 on dumbells. When I was training for about a year I was doing 70x8, 75x8, 85x8. So you are doing something wrong. You have to train Hard really hard and eat well, also get good rest.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by 47john
for someone who has trained for only 2 years . thats most likely the problem . train+diet till you cant gain anymore then look for help from juice . also whats your post cycle look like ? if you are crashing post cycle you could have lost the muscle each time and kept the fat cuz you arent doin anything to burn it off .

No, I always make sure I take Clomid and HCG a few weeks after my cycle to bring my natural testosterone back.

But you are right about the fat. I never ever do cardio, and maybe that's where the problem is.

BUT! an experienced trainer told me if your trying to bulk up then forget cardio. When you are satidfied with your current mass then is the time to burn the fat off. Don't you agree?
Even though I am rather heavy, i'm not at all content with the current mass I have at the moment. My biceps cold are a mere 15.5 inches!!!!:mad: :mad:

I always thought that the heavy duty routine that the deceased Mike Mentzer used to advocate was the best choice (Train with maximum intensity and leave the gym under an hour).

Perhaps I should concentrate on lighter weights and use better form, maybe this approach would work for me.

But I always thought that the heavier you lift, the larger the muscle will grow.

What is your opinion on this?

[block]

as long as your always gaining your lifts are not that bad

[GenuinePL]

Here you go bro.
Try to do the diet that I gave you.
Don't do gear yet. Forget about it.

Remeber on reps:
4 reps for power
8 reps for mass
12 reps for definition

So lower your weight and do 12 reps on your sets. (Adjust weight so on the last 2 it ****en burns and you have to push yourself to the max) Always start with lower weight and then go higher within sets

[Toenail Juice Z]

To tell you fellow bros whom which I deeply appreciate your advice, I once did cardio (1 time only), on the running track for about 15 minutes. When it was over and I stepped off the machine, I got so dizzy I thought I was gonna die.:D

[GenuinePL]

cardio 4 times a week 15-20 min

[arthurb999]

I'm going to make this easy. Stop the juice. Then...

Workout

mon - legs
tues - chest
wed - back
thru - shoulders
fri - arms
sat/sun - off

do cardio at least 4X a week.

Diet - Daily get...3500 cals, 300 grams of protien

Get at least 8 hours of sleep a night.

Supplements: Glutemine, multivitimin

The juice isn't going to help you until you have all the basics down and a solid base to work with.

Good Luck.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by GenuinePL
Here is a diet that I just made up. Try it. try it hard.

Meal 1
2 cups Oats
1 cup Skim Milk
Protein Shake

Meal 2
2 Tuna Sandwiches (Rye Bread)
2 non-fat yogurts

Meal 3
10 Oz Chicken
Cup Cottage Cheese (Fat Free)
2 Sweet Potatoes

Meal 4
Protein shake
Fruits (real)

Meal5
10oz steak or chicken
Veggies (salad w/ fat free dressing)
1 cup Skim Milk
Pasta (not to much)

Meal 6
1 Cup Cottage Cheese or Oats
Protein shake




GENUINE YOU'VE CONVINCED ME. I will follow this diet as well as your training routine and post my picture in a couple of months. You seem know your stuff. The only problem is is being able to falk out enough cash for the damn shopping bill.

That's it...........I'm getting a second job today!
BTW, do you have any pictures posted?

I'de also like Nimrod25 to give me some advice, he has an excellent body and knows his shit like no other. (Where are you Nimrod?)

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by arthurb999
I'm going to make this easy. Stop the juice. Then...

Workout

mon - legs
tues - chest
wed - back
thru - shoulders
fri - arms
sat/sun - off

do cardio at least 4X a week.

Diet - Daily get...3500 cals, 300 grams of protien

Get at least 8 hours of sleep a night.

Supplements: Glutemine, multiviti

The juice isn't going to help you until you have all the basics down and a solid base to work with.

Good Luck.

Yes but how on earth am I gonna get enough calories when everyone is telling me to dump the weight gainers and buy pure protein instead?

Also about the juice. I heared that on average a roid free weight gainer can only gain about 5lbs in a whole year. By using juice I could gain this weight in a week though?

[GenuinePL]

This diet could be adjusted, but i gave you basics so you could work with it and know what to eat.

When I was on a diet like that (300g protein, 3500 cal) and trained hard I gained 30 lbs in 4 months and BF went down from 15 to 10 %. It's all up to you and you courage. You have to have the will to do it and believe in yourself. I also took creatine 5g/day, glutamine 20g/day, multivitamins.

[GenuinePL]

Originally posted by 47john
egg whites , hard boiled make a bunch and eat them all the time eggs have the best amino acid profile
tuna
lean meats like sliced turkey


Good call John.
Bro you could use those in your diet

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by 47john
do you have access to some b-ball ? [/B]

Of course I have access to dianabol, I live in europe and have access to any anabolic steroid.

But I will not help anyone to find any or source post because I think it's wrong and it goes against the rules of the board.

Sorry Bro;)

That's a strange question however, I have never heard of someone that doesn't have access to D-Bol.

I've tried Bulgarian Bionabol, as well as the Russian D-Bols.

I'm never gonna use it again however cause I don't think it's worth it.
1) Because most of the gains made are basically water
2) It is very toxic to the liver.

I would always opt for test, anavar, primobolan, or even deca.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by GenuinePL
Hey bro.


In gym. Start doing 12 reps in your workouts with 30sec rest between sets and 60sec rest between exercises.





Yes but if I start doing 12 reps I will have to lower the weight substantially.

I usually do 6-8 reps with as heavy a weight I can handle. (I thought this was the best method to gain mass)

[GenuinePL]

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z


Yes but if I start doing 12 reps I will have to lower the weight substantially.

I usually do 6-8 reps with as heavy a weight I can handle. (I thought this was the best method to gain mass)

Right now I think your major concern is cutting, when you are cutting you still will gain muscule but you got to loose that fat. Don't you.


GOOD ADVICE JOHN

[Toenail Juice Z]

but i want to say to toenail : that you should have some serious reservations about your trainer . how the **** you got to a point where you understand more about steroids than diet and training , while being under the guidance of someone who is getting paid to help you achieve these goals is mind-boggling . seriously , this is weird . you should read a lot on this board and maybe consider a different trainer . i hope he wasn't the one selling you the steroids . just because someone looks great doesn't always mean he/she will always have your best interest at heart especially when $ is involved . i'd go ahead and finish this cycle but after that id go at least a year of serious training and diet . for me diet is the hardest part , i love to workout and do physical stuff but this diet is a real challenge cuz i love sugar and sweet stuff .




No John he wasn't the one who sold me the steroids. He's one of the best trainers in the country & he has that muscular lean look, not that discusting roid bellied bloated moon face steroid look

Seriously thought up until now, I though I knew about diet and training. Perhaps I was wrong all along. This is my theory:

Basically I tried to follow these rules:

1) Eat 1-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight
2) Try to consume a minimum of 4000 calories if you are trying to bulk up so that your protein will not go to waste for your energy needs
3) Eat every 2-3 hours to keep your body in a continuously positive nitrogen balance
4) Try to eat 6 meals a day rather than 3
5) drink gallons of water.
6) Avoid fattening foods
7) Consume a high glycemic drink straight after a workout to replendish the lost glycogen stores from intense training.
8) 30-60 minutes after training you should consume protein.
9) The morning is the best time to stock up on protein because during sleep your body shifts to a negative nitrogen balance which means you are not building muscle

I can go on and on for ever, but I think ile just leave it at that.

Now for training.

I preferred training one bodypart 5 times a week leaving the weekends off so as to maximize muscular hypertrophy and not overtrain a bodypart. (Your muscles grow when you rest and not when you train)

I also beleived that Mike Mentzers heavy duty training was the best for gaining mass. Basically do 3-4 sets for each exercise to failure and train with so much intensity (& heavy weights) that it would be impossible to stay in the gym for over an hour. (BTW Dorian Yates used Mike Mentzers theries)

On the other hand Arnolds theory was to do 25-30 sets for each bodypart and spend hours in the gym. This seems impossible and very tiresome nowadays and I think people opt for the heavy duty. Only if you are shitloads of steroid you have amazing recuperation abilities, and that's why you hear many top pros train for 3-4 hours a day

[GenuinePL]

Those are the basic. Now you got the diet, get yourself straight to what you want.

I'm a little confiused. Are you trying to bulk up or cut. Because on beginning you wanted to loose the BF, but now you are talking about bulking up???

[Mouseofaman]

Dudes, is it just me, or does this guy look like the Rock in the face ??

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by GenuinePL
Those are the basic. Now you got the diet, get yourself straight to what you want.

I'm a little confiused. Are you trying to bulk up or cut. Because on beginning you wanted to loose the BF, but now you are talking about bulking up???

This is one of those confusing questions:)

I would rather be much bigger and cut at the same time, but I still don't feel I have enough mass to cut. What do you think looking at my pictures. Do you think I should bulk up a bit more, because I'm worried that if I cut up, I will end up looking puny like those models. Ideally I want both size and cuts.

I wanna look big in clothes. I don't wanna have to take my shirt off just to show cuts and no mass. Do you get what I mean?

What do you suggest I do?

(BTW, did you read my previous post where I said I will follow your training and diet routine and then post my picture in a couple of months?)

[GenuinePL]

I know what you mean.

I think that you should cut first, becasue you don't want to gain more fat from bulking up if you stick with 300g of protein and 3500 cal then you're in the middle.

Even if you're cutting you're still building muscule and getting hard.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by KeyMastur
Dudes, is it just me, or does this guy look like the Rock in the face ??

Come again? Whose the rock? I'm from Europe you see.

No flame intended.

[GenuinePL]

"ROCK"

Wrestler in WWF (World Wrestling Federation)
http://www.therock.com/

[hummerboy]

that your body fat 26% (which is i don`t think its true) than why are you using Twinlabs super mass weight gainer exactly? use some whey man and stop with the gainers! just advanced or isolate whey from prolab or the regular prolab whey fuel!

[The Iron Game]

Hey Toenail, pm me if you get a chance

[Denmark]

The advice i got from one of my friends, is 3*30m cardio a week, no running!, running breaks down muscle tissue!, bicicle and walking is good, The reason not to do more cardio is to start small and add more later. I would take juice (low dosage) to keep muscle
gains, and use a fatburner (Efedrine)

But this is one of many ways to do it, its up to you to decide!.

[Tmaxx]

Toenail

I have to agree with these guys, your diet and training are holding you back. If you follow the general ideas laid out for you you will see results. I also would do cardio, it is the only way to get that BF down. Train until you cry or throw up and if you throw up go back and finish. At the risk of sounding like a prick, Train Hard, most people, (members on the board excluded) say they train hard but might as well be wearing leg warmers and doing video jazzercise! I have not done my first cycle yet however I have done my homework in terms of diet and training while natural and can hang with alot of guys who are loaded on stage and can smoke most of them in the gym (not trying to bost)just letting you know that you need to step it up and be an animal, one of the best things I did was watching Dorians video blood and guts, although I could never match his poundages I made a point to emulate his intensity in the gym. If you do that you will grow and grow and grow.

[Denmark]

Originally posted by 47john


lifting breaks down muscle tissue , thats the point isnt it ? also most powerlifters know that in order to gain mass you must exercise the fast twitch muscle tissue also ,

who wouldn't want to end up with legs like an nfl running back , jamal anderson , ricky williams , terell davis , eddie george , mike alstott . all squat over 600 for reps ,

Yes it is but, running is one of the most catabolic forms of aerobic excercises, when you're body enters a catabolic state, it breaks down muscle tissue which is not rebuilt!, jogging and fast walking is much better at burning fat, i dont know any! BBs who run to loose fat, they do however walk and sit on a bicycle!.

[hummerboy]

are on is making you gain fat and loose muscles because its making your testorones levels very low!

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by hummerboy
that your body fat 26% (which is i don`t think its true) than why are you using Twinlabs super mass weight gainer exactly? use some whey man and stop with the gainers! just advanced or isolate whey from prolab or the regular prolab whey fuel!

I use them simply because they are an easy way to consume caloris. Whey protein on the other hand has next to no calories.
Basically I would have to eat a shit load to get the calories needed. The weight gainers are more convenient and they also contain a lot of protein in them!

Peace, BTW, your pic look really good

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by hummerboy
are on is making you gain fat and loose muscles because its making your testorones levels very low!

No I did my research and they have no effect on muscle. They predomanantly act on the brain.

I'm taking the trycyclic antidepressant Anafranil, the SSRI Luvox/Faverin, and the benzos Xanax & Valium

The only side effec I get is that when I **** it takes me over an hour to come:(

I also doubt my testosterone levels are low becaue I have a huge sex deive. I jerk off about 3 times a day and **** my wife once or twice a day. but I will have them checked anyway. (testosterone levels)

What kind of doctor is needed though?

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by 47john
sorry , its just a great way to trim down . and all that running and jumping is great for the legs .

No I am sorry, I misunderstood b-ball for D-Bol:D

[KingOfPop]

I know this may sound lame but I've actually been thinking about your situation for a few days...don't ask me why cause i really don't know.

Here's the deal...there are a few things that people haven't asked you and/or you haven't talked about. It seems that you're pyramiding with your lifts...now...is this what you have been doing since day one up until now? Cause if so STOP! I'm sure you know that your body adapts well to just about anything...including excercise. Switch up your routines...i don't give a goddamn crap what some moron says about what routine works best. If you don't switch up your workouts you're doing nothing for your body.

Have you ever thought about taking a week or two off from lifting...I know this is unheard of to some people but it's great for your joints and your muscles. It gives them time to really heal...catch up. When you come back I promise you'll be stronger.

As for the weight gainer...that crap is mainly for individuals who are ectomorphs...for everyone else it's useless. There's nothing but sugar in there anyway...might as well go eat a candybar. You can get plenty of cals from REAL food.

As for the statement of only gaining 5 pounds a year if you're not using AS??? That's just not true...I've gained 45 in less than a year. Of course before that i hadn't been eating and was extremely depressed but that's not the point.

Along with a good diet...if you really feel like you need that "edge" or whatever, just take glutamine, creatine and protein. That's it...until you're ready for AS again touch nothing else!

I think you're biggest problem is over-training...make sure you rest!!!!!

By the way...HIT training is about doing pretty much one heavy set for each lift...that is hardly what you are doing. Metzer talked about how doing more than one set was just pointless and actually might be harmful to the muscle cells.

Anyway, that's enough out of me...hopefully things work out for you.

[GenuinePL]

Originally posted by KingOfPop
It seems that you're pyramiding with your lifts...now...is this what you have been doing since day one up until now? Cause if so STOP! I'm sure you know that your body adapts well to just about anything...including excercise. Switch up your routines...i don't give a goddamn crap what some moron says about what routine works best. If you don't switch up your workouts you're doing nothing for your body.

Have you ever thought about taking a week or two off from lifting...I know this is unheard of to some people but it's great for your joints and your muscles. It gives them time to really heal...catch up. When you come back I promise you'll be stronger.

As for the weight gainer...that crap is mainly for individuals who are ectomorphs...for everyone else it's useless. There's nothing but sugar in there anyway...might as well go eat a candybar. You can get plenty of cals from REAL food.

As for the statement of only gaining 5 pounds a year if you're not using AS??? That's just not true...I've gained 45 in less than a year. Of course before that i hadn't been eating and was extremely depressed but that's not the point.

Along with a good diet...if you really feel like you need that "edge" or whatever, just take glutamine, creatine and protein. That's it...until you're ready for AS again touch nothing else!

I think you're biggest problem is over-training...make sure you rest!!!!!

By the way...HIT training is about doing pretty much one heavy set for each lift...that is hardly what you are doing. Metzer talked about how doing more than one set was just pointless and actually might be harmful to the muscle cells.


Good call

[TNT]

I usually don't check out the pics board too often (sorry, guys, but you just don't do anything for me), but this is definitely becoming a high quality thread.

Toenail, welcome to the board, bro. You've truly got balls - we see very few pics with faces in them. So I'll take a moment and add my two cents . . .

First, don't stop the anti-depressants. You obviously need them, and you have considered both your clinical picture and the ramifications of stopping them. If there were any one suggestion I could give you in terms of overcoming the anxiety, it would be to start feeling better about yourself now - attitude means a lot. And I hate to disappoint you - you are not the fat troll that you appear to think you are.

Second, you seem to have avoided cardio, but cardio is the best thing to do at this point in terms of reversing your lean muscle mass-to-body fat ratio. Of course it will take off come pounds, but that's what you need to do if you want to get definition. In other words, you won't be able to bulk up until you have bulked down. But not running - the reason you felt dizzy the first time you tried it could be due to the medication, your diet, and the fact that you're out of shape when it comes to cardio. My recommendation: Use an "eliptical cross-trainer" like the Precor - less impact on your joints, you can adjust angle and resistance, and you can go at your own speed.

Third, my recommendation would be to cut the supplements, period. Most supplements are anecdotal in nature - if you believe they're going to do something, they may do something. But they are not supported by the same degree of clinical research that goes into the rest of medicine.

Fourth, cut calories and go on a balanced diet. Claiming that a tricyclic anti-depressant is making you keep weight on is a cop-out - you're simply eating too much of the wrong things. Get thinner, then you can pay more attention to putting on pounds of muscle rather than fat by coordinating your eating habits with your training.

Fifth, and before any of the above, see a doctor. I assume that your current meds have been prescribed by a psychiatrist, and he or she is not geared toward seeing the "big picture." See either a general practitioner or (since you asked what specialty focuses on these areas) an endocrinologist. And have labwork done to rule out any diabete (or other endocrine disorders)s, especially if you have a history of it in your family.

In the meantime, begin to feel good about yourself now. Hell, most wives would give your right nut to have a husband who can last for an hour. :D

[GLASSVOICE]

LOOSE WEIGHT!!!!

You have muscles underneath!!! Do not be afraid! One thing is to be skinny and another to be slender and well defined. I see your back looks good! And once you do what TNT says youll be better. I also think that taking off one or two weeks would not be a bad idea. Surprise your muscles and shock them with a different lifting strategy! CARDIO, CARDIO, CARDIO!!!! Start slowly at the begining an increase little by little. This transformation won't happen in a week. But a couple of months should make a BIG diference. For heaven saske, STOP the weight gainers (those are for people like me!!!) Do a 2,500 calorie diet. That should be enough for two months to get you where you want to be. You will be surprised of what lies beneath your fat layer. You have been lifting for 2 years. Don't you thing it should be nice underneath the fat? And like someone said before, you are not that fat. You were skiny before and you've got out of it but also got out of control with all that Deca and D-bol!!! STOP all that and now, concentrate in chiseling, sculpting your body. The mountain is there already!!!! Time to sculpt boy! Give your wife a break!!! I see that Iron game ask you to PM him. Do it. He also knows a lot and he is very nice. By the way, I read the whole thread and I can relate a lot cause I want to gain a lot of weight but I would never let myself go that much. There is a line between bulking and overweight. There is where you are going if you don't stop what you were doing and listen to the advise the people in this board has given you! It is all good advise. Keep your medications.Don't phuck with that.

I am really looking forward to hear from your progress! Good luck!

Glassvoice

[Mike]

wow....genuine and john and everyone else involved GOOD thread!!! Very constructive - you guys did a GREAT job!!!

[Toenail Juice Z]

THANKS FOR ALL THE HUMOUNGOUSE AMOUNT OF ADVICE GUYS, BUT PLEASE READ THIS POST AND GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINIONS REGARDING THIS THREAD. I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.


Originally posted by GenuinePL
Those are the basic. Now you got the diet, get yourself straight to what you want.

I'm a little confiused. Are you trying to bulk up or cut. Because on beginning you wanted to loose the BF, but now you are talking about bulking up???
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This is one of those confusing questions

I would rather be much bigger and cut at the same time, but I still don't feel I have enough mass to cut. What do you think looking at my pictures. Do you think I should bulk up a bit more, because I'm worried that if I cut up, I will end up looking puny like those models. Ideally I want both size and cuts.

I wanna look big in clothes. I don't wanna have to take my shirt off just to show cuts and no mass. Do you get what I mean?

What do you suggest I do?

[GenuinePL]

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z


I wanna look big in clothes. I don't wanna have to take my shirt off just to show cuts and no mass. Do you get what I mean?

What do you suggest I do?

I know what you mean. Bro, the chicks don't go only for mass, the love guys to be defined at least. Trust me. I rater have less mass and be cut, than look bigger and not see my delt separate into 3 different parts. Do you know what I mean. Start cutting down with like 3000 cal perfect diet very low fat so you could still get some extra muscule and get rock hard. If you want to look bigger when you're cut in your clothes then change your designer (makes a big difference) Bro, cut down to like 11%BF and then bulk up. It takes time, nothing comes quick. If you really get yourself to it, within a year you could look the way you want. It's all up to you. How much you put into it, that's how much you will get back.

[korsow]

This is a good post. ALLOT Of GOOD INFO ON IT. as far as your personal trainer is concerned. FIRE HIS ASS!! I started out 2 years ago @ the Gym.. ONLY did Heavy Weights, Etc. didnt do any cycleds but lifted ALLOT. Didnt loose, Didnt gain, I WAS FAT @ 280+ lbs... About 9 months ago, I started hitting the GYM with a BETTER perspective, HIT IT HARD, but hit is SMART. I desided to do CARDIO!. and GOLLY< gues what, I lost 50 lbs so far, of pure FAT, gained allot of muscle and strength. Ive been on a Dbol Only cycle for a while, and am planing my first Injection Cycle this month. CARDIO HELPS WITH INDURANCE!!!. Especialy if yer on gear, U NEED TO BE NICE TO YER BODY!, YOU NEED to excersise by doing some aggressive Aerobic excersizes, such as RUNNING ( RUNNING IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO DO) or yu could do what i do, use those LOW impact running machine things they got in the gyms. I dont know what kind of weight gaining stuff yer taking, but i recomend u DONT take that sh$t. take Protein, thats all u need really. As far as depression is concerned, talk to yer doc, see if he can preescribe any other medication, there are quite a few new ones out there. I have a friend who is on Paxil for Social Anxiety Disorder, seems to be helping him allot. Cardio has been proven to help people's moods, and HEY< thats where all the hoties are!!!. LOL. Anywasy bro, I hope i added some additional info thats helpfull for you.. PEACE< KORSOW

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by korsow
This is a good post. ALLOT Of GOOD INFO ON IT. as far as your personal trainer is concerned. FIRE HIS ASS!! I started out 2 years ago @ the Gym.. ONLY did Heavy Weights, Etc. didnt do any cycleds but lifted ALLOT. Didnt loose, Didnt gain, I WAS FAT @ 280+ lbs... About 9 months ago, I started hitting the GYM with a BETTER perspective, HIT IT HARD, but hit is SMART. I desided to do CARDIO!. and GOLLY< gues what, I lost 50 lbs so far, of pure FAT, gained allot of muscle and strength. Ive been on a Dbol Only cycle for a while, and am planing my first Injection Cycle this month. CARDIO HELPS WITH INDURANCE!!!. Especialy if yer on gear, U NEED TO BE NICE TO YER BODY!, YOU NEED to excersise by doing some aggressive Aerobic excersizes, such as RUNNING ( RUNNING IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO DO) or yu could do what i do, use those LOW impact running machine things they got in the gyms. I dont know what kind of weight gaining stuff yer taking, but i recomend u DONT take that sh$t. take Protein, thats all u need really. As far as depression is concerned, talk to yer doc, see if he can preescribe any other medication, there are quite a few new ones out there. I have a friend who is on Paxil for Social Anxiety Disorder, seems to be helping him allot. Cardio has been proven to help people's moods, and HEY< thats where all the hoties are!!!. LOL. Anywasy bro, I hope i added some additional info thats helpfull for you.. PEACE< KORSOW

Thanks for the reply, but I don't have a persnal trainer yet, neither do I hava a private nutritionist. I',m getting a loan from the bank and 2 jobs to start all this. Cheers Bro:)

[GenuinePL]

Question. What the hell do you need the loan for??? I know is not supplements.


Just go, do you diet and workout. Just playing with you. this sentence was made to be funny, but that what I really have to say. Go make yourself look the way you want. Please don't do juice right now, you don't need it.

[THE BIG RED MACHINE]

The "Rock", Kinda looks like him.....Oh, sorry guys we're wrong. It's not him. No scars under his nips from the gyno surgery.:lol:

Sorry, I joined this post late. All joking aside. Great post info guys.

[Toenail Juice Z]

I thought Ide post a picture of myself 2 years ago before I started training. (While I was in the army)

http://www.powerlabs.com/shandelle/Georgearmy.jpg
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[GenuinePL]

WOW man, you're skinny. You defenitelly did something wrong in training since then. Now, go do your homework. JK bud:wg:

[bex]

GO back to basics leave the juice and do your reseach you are not helping your self by banging your head against a brick wall.
CHILLOUT BRO>>>AND GOOD LUCK

[MR PHATT ASS]

WHY WOULD ANYONE WANNA PIX THEIR FACE OUT IN THE OPEN FOR ANYONE IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FIELD TO FIND..???

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by MR PHATT ASS
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANNA PIX THEIR FACE OUT IN THE OPEN FOR ANYONE IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FIELD TO FIND..???

Of course the pics are for real. I don't live in the states where they are too "overprotective" and treat steroids like heroin:D

I challenge an American Law Enforcement geezer to find me.:D

CATCH ME IF YOU CAN :p :p

[GenuinePL]

THAT WAS GOOD. PURE CONFIDENCE. THAT'S WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT. Keep your attitude like that and you will get far in anything.

(Just don't challange US Law, becasue when they get bored and have nothing to do then they might try to find you just to waste our money. LOL damn bastards:cuss:

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by GenuinePL
Here is a diet that I just made up. Try it. try it hard.

Meal 1
2 cups Oats
1 cup Skim Milk
Protein Shake

Meal 2
2 Tuna Sandwiches (Rye Bread)
2 non-fat yogurts

Meal 3
10 Oz Chicken
Cup Cottage Cheese (Fat Free)
2 Sweet Potatoes

Meal 4
Protein shake
Fruits (real)

Meal5
10oz steak or chicken
Veggies (salad w/ fat free dressing)
1 cup Skim Milk
Pasta (not to much)

Meal 6
1 Cup Cottage Cheese or Oats
Protein shake




About this diet, roughly how many calories and gramms of protein does it contain?

[Canes4Ever]

Looking forward to hearing from you about it.

[GenuinePL]

Hey it's been almost 2 months.
How is your progress going.

[The Emperor]

Man, I hope that I'm not too late with this but I just had the chance to read it all. There have been a lot of valid points made in this thread and I will try not to dwell on those too much but just touch those points. Leave the juice alone. You started wayyy to early in your BB career. But thats old news.

Get rid of all the extra calories. I don't care how big you want to be or how small you don't want to be you need to loose the fat buddy. You can't do that by eating sugary ass weight gainer, as this has already been stated.

Focus on the main movements of lifting for a while. I don't know were you strength level started but some where with those 4 cycles something went wrong. The main lifting movements should help u pull things back together.

Stick with the 12 reps per set. You say you can do more but whats the point. That isn't working for your muscles. Start of low weight high rep until you can handle the weight properly.

With that and the diet prescribed hopefully you'll see results. You have gotten a lot bigger since you started but not all the right way.

[GenuinePL]

Originally posted by The Emperor
Man, I hope that I'm not too late with this but I just had the chance to read it all. There have been a lot of valid points made in this thread and I will try not to dwell on those too much but just touch those points. Leave the juice alone. You started wayyy to early in your BB career. But thats old news.

Get rid of all the extra calories. I don't care how big you want to be or how small you don't want to be you need to loose the fat buddy. You can't do that by eating sugary ass weight gainer, as this has already been stated.

Focus on the main movements of lifting for a while. I don't know were you strength level started but some where with those 4 cycles something went wrong. The main lifting movements should help u pull things back together.

Stick with the 12 reps per set. You say you can do more but whats the point. That isn't working for your muscles. Start of low weight high rep until you can handle the weight properly.

With that and the diet prescribed hopefully you'll see results. You have gotten a lot bigger since you started but not all the right way.

I hope that he accomplished all this by now.

[Toenail Juice Z]

I forgot to keep you lot updated, but I dieted and followed the advice.............BUT. Now I'm skinny.

Check this post out
http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=188980#post188980
BTW, I never did that cycle. I realized it would have been a mistake.

Genuine PL. It's now August 12th 2002. As soon as I have a picture scanned i'll post it.

I owe you a lot. You can visit my site soon, when it's up and running in a few weeks and ile give you a free membership.

Anyway, I posted a thread today which shows my current stats.
www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29769 (http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29769)

[ink]

start sum cardio man. try fifteen minutes daily, everymorning on an empty stomach, then add 5mins everyweek. if this proves 2 daunting which it does 4 most. me included, do it in the evening till u reach 30 to 40 mins. it'l get easier. try taking eca wen u do this, and listen 2 sum up tempo beats and u wont wanna stop. keep ur protein high, carbs medium and ur fat intake low and the fat will melt away. u cud also suggest 2 ur doctor about trying another anti-depressant, like prozac which does not have a side effect of increasin b/f. it might even help ur depression as wot ur on doesn't sound like its workin. if u were able 2 keep the mass u have and get rid of most of ur body fat, i think u'd hav a good muscular physique

[Gene]

Toenail JuiceZ:

I'm sorry to be the one to throw a reality check here, but I feel its for the best, no matter how much this resembles a "flame."

Firstly, your remark comparing bodybuilders ("huge freaky mass monsters") with your trainer ("lean hard muscular") is a typical stereotype that is in part responsible for bodybuilding's negative connotations. I find it ironic that you would make such analogies despite being a user of AAS.

Secondly, you have demonstrated ignorance with regards to nutrition and training. This is particularly detrimental to you because it is also largely responsible for your mediocre (if that is even so) results with AAS. Your dependance on a trainer, lacking nutritional setup, inability to comprehend the value of calories and different types of sugars, etc, all confirm my belief in the aforementioned.

Finally, I hope you decide to take some time out of your life to sit down and do some serious research with regards to your nutrition and training. It will be a long and arduous task that you will have to intertwine with the rest of your daily activities, but it will be for the best. I see you have decided not to go on with your cycle, that is a good first step. Nextly, you have to prioritize your life in order to create the ideal environment for muscle building, fat burning, and extensive knowledge development.

As always, we here at AR will support and help you in times of need.
Good luck.

Gene

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by Gene
Toenail JuiceZ:

I'm sorry to be the one to throw a reality check here, but I feel its for the best, no matter how much this resembles a "flame."

Firstly, your remark comparing bodybuilders ("huge freaky mass monsters") with your trainer ("lean hard muscular") is a typical stereotype that is in part responsible for bodybuilding's negative connotations. I find it ironic that you would make such analogies despite being a user of AAS.

Secondly, you have demonstrated ignorance with regards to nutrition and training. This is particularly detrimental to you because it is also largely responsible for your mediocre (if that is even so) results with AAS. Your dependance on a trainer, lacking nutritional setup, inability to comprehend the value of calories and different types of sugars, etc, all confirm my belief in the aforementioned.

Finally, I hope you decide to take some time out of your life to sit down and do some serious research with regards to your nutrition and training. It will be a long and arduous task that you will have to intertwine with the rest of your daily activities, but it will be for the best. I see you have decided not to go on with your cycle, that is a good first step. Nextly, you have to prioritize your life in order to create the ideal environment for muscle building, fat burning, and extensive knowledge development.

As always, we here at AR will support and help you in times of need.
Good luck.

Gene

Just come out and flame me. You don't have to make excuses to flame.

I think there has been a small misunderstanding here. I wasn't comparing bodybuilders to a trainer at my gym, but I was comparing the average heavy roid user who usually opts for the easy way out and aquires the huge fatty look by use of steroids rather than the muscular type with the trainer at my gym. I love the way Coleman, Flex and all the others look, and I admire their dedication and excellent genetics.

With regards to "being nutrition ignorant". I admit, I made mistakes and the main cause of my lack of quality gains was down to pure lazyness, but that does not mean I lack bb nutrition or training knowledge. If you read one of my earlier posts you would have realized that.

The original post pics were quite a while back, and thanks to the sound advice I received from this board, but more to my persistancy and dicipline, I managed to shred to around 156lbs from over 200lbs in two months. Ok, I have to admit admit a lot was water, but I more than halved my bodyfat percentage in these few months on diet & cardio alone. My image no longer resembles that of the first post. (156lbs at 5ft 11" at 10%bf, I know that sounds pathetic, but I can't afford to put on much more weight at the moment due to the weight class I will be entering this september to complete my kung fu and become an instructor. Anyone who goes through the traditional kung fu training regimen knows it's hard to attain enough speed at over 200lbs!

I've been doing research on nutrition since 1994, and I find it amusing when you state I have an "inability to comprehend the value of calories and different types of sugars". If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to challenge me to a debate on anything regarding nutrition so I can contradict your above conclusion.

Don't let my lazyness and lack of dedication back then fool you. I was unfortunately suffering from a common anxiety disorder.
This "reality check" post was not needed.

However, I respect the fact that you are trying to help, and would like to congratulate you on achieving the amazing body I saw in your avatar. BTW I never hired the personal trainer, and I don't recall any posts which I ever mentioned actually having a personal trainer. It was just an idea to help me get over my lazyness.

On the other hand you could be right all along. Here is my current bodybuilding training and nutricion rules for the time being as I am currently drug free and have been for over a year now.

I always like to simplify things. Perhaps you can give me advice on how to improve it:

Nutrition: I try to eat 300g protein, 4000 calories per day. I eat approx 20-25g/protein from clean wholefoods every three hours to stay in a positive nitrogen balance, while consuming 500 calories over my maintainance level (which is about 3500) in order to progressively gain lean muscle mass. The only time I take in a simple carbohydrate, or "sugars" as you would call them (no flame intended) is no later than half an hour after an intense workout to restore my depleted glycogen stores, so that the protein I consume is not sacrificed for energy. And don't think I feast over a birthday cake. Instead I will use a high simple carb drink to cause the insuline spike needed that so many bodybuilders make the mistake of taking before their workouts thinking it will give them an energy boost.

Here is my daily diet.

Meal 1: 3 cups Oats with skim milk
Protein shake.

Meal 2: 3 Tuna sandwiches + 2 non fat yoghurts.

Meal 3: 10 Oz Chicken breast (grilled without the skin)
Cup of fat free cottage cheese/a bowl of oatmeal.
1 bowl of pasta

Snack 4: Protein Shake + Fruits

Meal 5: 10oz Steak
Salad with no dressing. (only lemon)
1 cup of skim milk
bowl of noodles

Meal 6: 1 Cup of Oats + Protein shake

Now on to Training:
I have always been a supporter of the saying "If you train properly & with enough intensity and strict form you should not be ABLE to train for over an hour" so I will always go to the gym for a high intensity session of no longer than an hour and get out. I have found over the past 3 years of experimenting that (for me) the Mike Mentzer style is superior to the arnold style of over 25 sets per bodypart. (perhaps not if you are on enourmous amounts of juice!). Furthermore by the Mike Mentzer style I don't mean the one rep bullshit he once advocated.

Since my current goal is that of attaining mass, I will always do most of my sets with free weights, incorporating compound movements to fully stimulate growth while avoiding isolation exercises such as cable extensions. So on a chest day I would always do bench press, on a back day bent over rows & deadlifts....etc..etc.
I train each bodypart once a week because I really beleive in sufficient rest to induce muscular hypertrophy, due to the fact that the muscle tissue breakdown needs enough recovery. (and anyway you grow when you rest...correct?).
I train with as heavy a weight as I can handle for 6-8 reps and do 5 sets per bodypart. No cheating, no forced reps, no swinging etc...

My training schedule:
Mon: chest
Tue: legs
Wed: back
Thurs: Shoulders
Fri: Arms
Sat/Sun: Off.
cardio 2 x a week for 20 minutes.
(I try to avoid doing chest before or after the day I train delts because the delts are also stimulated with most heavy chest exercises.)

I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. If I am making any serious mistakes please let me know.

For now,
Peace!
:lift:

[Razorcuts]

I have no time 2 read the whole thread so maybe somebody already mentioned it, but antidepressants make you fat cause they slow down the metabolism !

[crapdog]

I, crapdog am the stupidest mother ****er on the planet and if I flame again it will be my last post on anabolicreview.

[Gene]

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z


Just come out and flame me. You don't have to make excuses to flame.

I think there has been a small misunderstanding here. I wasn't comparing bodybuilders to a trainer at my gym, but I was comparing the average heavy roid user who usually opts for the easy way out and aquires the huge fatty look by use

of steroids rather than the muscular type with the trainer at my gym. I love the way Coleman, Flex and all the others look, and I admire their dedication and excellent genetics.


Allow me to use your original quote: "He's one of the best trainers in the country & he has that muscular lean look, not that discusting roid bellied bloated moon face steroid look." Seems to me you are referring to the gh gut of several IFBB pro's. Coleman was the first guy to pop into my mind; indeed, these people have superhuman physiques and everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how extreme, but on the basis of your quote I was a little disturbed. I may not be of that size, but I am close friends with several who are. The many adjectives you have used to make that remark just made me increasingly tense. No hard feelings.

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

With regards to "being nutrition ignorant". I admit, I made mistakes and the main cause of my lack of quality gains was down to pure lazyness, but that does not mean I lack bb nutrition or training knowledge. If you read one of my

earlier posts you would have realized that.


I see that post now, but in another post, you posted your 6 daily meals, approximately 2 of which consisted of weight gainers. From that, I was able to infer your inability to gauge the efficacy of weight gainers and their purpose, as well as an obvious lack of better quality nutritional sources.

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

The original post pics were quite a while back, and thanks to the sound advice I received from this board, but more to my persistancy and dicipline, I managed to shred to around 156lbs from over 200lbs in two months. Ok, I have to admit admit

a lot was water, but I more than halved my bodyfat percentage in these few months on diet & cardio alone. My image no longer resembles that of the first post. (156lbs at 5ft 11" at 10%bf, I know that sounds pathetic, but I can't afford to

put on much more weight at the moment due to the weight class I will be entering this september to complete my kung fu and become an instructor. Anyone who goes through the traditional kung fu training regimen knows it's hard to attain enough

speed at over 200lbs!


I'm confused, you've done three mass building cycles, ostensibly while practicing kung fu (I assume that because you are already becoming an instructor, which should take time), yet now you have dropped over 50 pounds and are worried extra

weight might slow you down? It seems as if your priorities have changed, not much more I can gather from that. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

I've been doing research on nutrition since 1994, and I find it amusing when you state I have an "inability to comprehend the value of calories and different types of sugars". If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to challenge me to a

debate on anything regarding nutrition so I can contradict your above conclusion. Don't let my lazyness and lack of dedication back then fool you. I was unfortunately suffering from a common anxiety disorder. This "reality check" post was not needed.


Once again, my supposition was based on the weight gainer. It's possible I may have misread your thread, its 3 pages long and few people have a reading comprehension ability to be able to recall facts with ease from such voluminous sources, but I apologize for wrongly made assumptions. I did what any human being what do, I took what I could remember, and filled in the gaps with assumptions, I'm more than certain you have done that manifold times in your life, if you doubt that, it can be proved.

I'm sorry for your mental disorder. Think of it this way: if you're a physician and a patient comes into your office with razor cut marks on his wrists, what do you do? Do you treat him for the razor cuts, or do you treat the source of his

problems? Perhaps that person is a suicidal. I'm not alluding to anything, I'm just making an analogy. You came here to ask very basic questions after having done three cycles, that was sufficient for me to question your knowledge base.

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

However, I respect the fact that you are trying to help, and would like to congratulate you on achieving the amazing body I saw in your avatar. BTW I never hired the personal trainer, and I don't recall any posts which I ever

mentioned actually having a personal trainer. It was just an idea to help me get over my lazyness.


Thank you for the compliment. Nextly, here was your original quote: "I've decided to fork out some money and hire a personal trainer because I must be doing something wrong!" Furthermore, you've made many references to professional trainers, with whom I have assumed you possibly hold a client-trainer relationship.

Yes, you are correct. I would not have wasted time (nor would I waste it now), if my intentions mean-spirited.

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

On the other hand you could be right all along. Here is my current bodybuilding training and nutricion rules for the time being as I am currently drug free and have been for over a year now.

I always like to simplify things. Perhaps you can give me advice on how to improve it:

Nutrition: I try to eat 300g protein, 4000 calories per day. I eat approx 20-25g/protein from clean wholefoods every three hours to stay in a positive nitrogen balance, while consuming 500 calories over my maintainance level (which

is about 3500) in order to progressively gain lean muscle mass. The only time I take in a simple carbohydrate, or "sugars" as you would call them (no flame intended) is no later than half an hour after an intense workout to restore my

depleted glycogen stores, so that the protein I consume is not sacrificed for energy. And don't think I feast over a birthday cake. Instead I will use a high simple carb drink to cause the insuline spike needed that so many bodybuilders

make the mistake of taking before their workouts thinking it will give them an energy boost.

Here is my daily diet.

Meal 1: 3 cups Oats with skim milk Protein shake.

Meal 2: 3 Tuna sandwiches + 2 non fat yoghurts.

Meal 3: 10 Oz Chicken breast (grilled without the skin)
Cup of fat free cottage cheese/a bowl of oatmeal.
1 bowl of pasta

Snack 4: Protein Shake + Fruits

Meal 5: 10oz Steak
Salad with no dressing. (only lemon)
1 cup of skim milk
bowl of noodles

Meal 6: 1 Cup of Oats + Protein shake


Right on the money. You have my praise on this one.


Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

Now on to Training:
I have always been a supporter of the saying "If you train properly & with enough intensity and strict form you should not be ABLE to train for over an hour" so I will always go to the gym for a high intensity session of no longer than an hour

and get out. I have found over the past 3 years of experimenting that (for me) the Mike Mentzer style is superior to the arnold style of over 25 sets per bodypart. (perhaps not if you are on enourmous amounts of juice!). Furthermore

by the Mike Mentzer style I don't mean the one rep bullshit he once advocated.

Since my current goal is that of attaining mass, I will always do most of my sets with free weights, incorporating compound movements to fully stimulate growth while avoiding isolation exercises such as cable extensions. So on a chest day I

would always do bench press, on a back day bent over rows & deadlifts....etc..etc. I train each bodypart once a week because I really beleive in sufficient rest to induce muscular hypertrophy, due to the fact that the muscle tissue breakdown

needs enough recovery. (and anyway you grow when you rest...correct?). I train with as heavy a weight as I can handle for 6-8 reps and do 5 sets per bodypart. No cheating, no forced reps, no swinging etc...


The best training style is a debatable issue, its best I don't start ranting about it or I will never stop. Cheating, forced reps, swinging -- all techniques that can be beneficial if done properly. If you choose to avoid them, thats also a fair and smart choice to reduce injury risk.

Originally posted by Toenail Juice Z

I can go on and on but I think you get the idea. If I am making any serious mistakes please let me know.

For now,
Peace!
:lift:

I can go on and on too :D But I see your point. Success is a journey, not a destination, so defined as such, if you are making progress, all is well. From what you've posted in this recent post, your training and nutrition seems just fine. I wish you the best of luck with your bodybuilding and kung fu endeavors.

Gene

[The French Curler]

I saw a guy that looked like Toenail Juice Z at Universal Studios (in Hollywood) the other day.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Gene, thanks for taking so much time to answer to my last post. Good luck to you too bro.

[Toenail Juice Z]

Originally posted by The French Curler
I saw a guy that looked like Toenail Juice Z at Universal Studios (in Hollywood) the other day.

I'm flattered. :p Who was this guy? An actor?

[steelyray]

Cheers for the reply, my diet is as follows:

Morning - A bowl of cornflakes and a weight gain drink

Snack1: Tuna fish, milk & some fruit

Afternoon: Whatever food there is. (It's never fattening though)

Snack 2: Tuna fish or a T-Bone steak or a chicken breast

Snack 3: (Post workout): Twinlabs super mass weight gainer

Evening: Tuna Fish and an weight gain drink.

That's it!

Dude, all of that fish may be contributing to your depression. Try switching to chicken breast somewhere. Get tested for mercury poisoning. Fish pick up a lot of mercury, and it seriously ****s with your head.

[alphaman]

Dude this thread is four years old. I doubt he'll see your reply. How did you find this?

[Jase]

Dude this thread is four years old. I doubt he'll see your reply. How did you find this?

Cant even exstract the pictures, no wonder!

Godspeed

[SwoleCat]

Who cares about 4 year old shit?

~SC~

[lucabratzi]

:lol: bump. :lol:

[AandF6969]

Wheres the pictures?

[Rob]

lmao how do they find this

[thickmass]

lmao how do they find this

I think when they are jack'n off to internet porn their fingers slip and up comes a 4yo thread.

[Narkissos]

i thought Swole's response would've been the last when i opened the thread yesterday...since it isn't ... :lol:

+1

[Toenail Juice Z]

memories....trala lala lala....