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"I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle" :banana:
Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly
1st cut vs bulk
A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.
Diet
This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.
For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.
Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.
Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.
The Gear
The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself
Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.
The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.
Dbol and other orals.
I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier
Doses
I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.
For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.
Other thing you need to be taking
Lots of water. I am not shitting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.
Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex. Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.
The correct way to run clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed
Final thought
For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.
Money Boss Hustla
11-05-2003, 01:14 PM
Great post.
BrownBomber
11-05-2003, 01:14 PM
"I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle" :banana:
Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly
1st cut vs bulk
A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.
Diet
This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.
For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.
Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.
Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.
The Gear
The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself
Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.
The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that and anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.
Dbol and other orals.
I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier
Doses
I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.
For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.
Other thing you need to be taking
Lots of water. I am not shitting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.
Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex. Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.
The correct way to run clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed
Final thought
For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.
EXCELLENT POST!!!
TheMudMan
11-05-2003, 01:16 PM
This is a great guide............ Maybe it should be a sticky so it doesn't get lost.
This is a great guide............ Maybe it should be a sticky so it doesn't get lost.
Done
FrkyBgStok
11-05-2003, 01:22 PM
bump...good post bro.
Great post Ron...altho i have one question - you say
"For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the deca/eq a week before the test."
wouldn't that mean that you'd end the deca/eq one week before test, rather than the other way around?
ex.
wks 1-12 deca or eq
wks 1-13 test e
wk 15 - start clomid
?? just want to make sure i'm reading right
great post tho ron...
cb, thanks for catching the typo. I guess if I tell you one thing then reverse it in the last sentence it would get really confusing huh? Better now right?
Juggernaut
11-06-2003, 01:42 PM
Very good Ron. Liked the part about the orals.
Nailer
11-06-2003, 04:07 PM
Good post *****
echobeach
11-06-2003, 05:13 PM
Top little post that one, especially about how to run Clomid.
Thanks Ron
bermich
11-06-2003, 05:31 PM
Good post. I say we just leave this be and not complicate it by adding posts with questions to it. Keep it simple and not get off the subject.
IMO.
redwingsfan
11-07-2003, 08:24 AM
great post Ron. thanks!
RWF
JohnnyB
11-07-2003, 08:48 PM
Great post, I agree we all have different ideas of what a good first cycle is, ultimately it's up to the Bro that's going to do it. Orals are defiantly out for a first cycle, save um for the 3 or 4th cycle.
JohnnyB
Tuggy
11-09-2003, 11:51 AM
Outstanding!! Short, concise, and to the point. It definatly gets a newbie started.
Diesel
11-09-2003, 11:53 AM
Sweet post bro.
I wouldn't mind puting a link to it in my sig.
D
Red Ketchup
11-09-2003, 12:51 PM
Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions.
Great post Ron!!!
And new bros, when you do ask questions please PLEASE state your age, training experience and diet. All the good bros here do want to help, but first you have to help us help you.
Red
Da Bull
11-12-2003, 05:25 PM
Great post Ron!!!
And new bros, when you do ask questions please PLEASE state your age, training experience and diet. All the good bros here do want to help, but first you have to help us help you.
Red
Great post RON....and nice add on Red
bodgit
12-09-2003, 08:43 AM
You run the clomid for a long time. Two weeks is enough surely??
TheMudMan
12-10-2003, 01:13 PM
You run the clomid for a long time. Two weeks is enough surely??
2 weeks is not enough to recover HPTA.
And when you make a statement it makes it more cedible if you don't use "??" in it :rolleyes:
bodgit
12-11-2003, 09:14 AM
2 weeks is not enough to recover HPTA.
And when you make a statement it makes it more cedible if you don't use "??" in it :rolleyes:
It was a question, not a statement. For the most part I've seen 10-14 days recommended. I guess it depends on the levels of gear used during the cycle.
It was a question, not a statement. For the most part I've seen 10-14 days recommended. I guess it depends on the levels of gear used during the cycle.
Above is the 300/100/50 is actually what I would suggest for a mild to med cycle. For a really heavy cycle I might add another 10days at 50mg. Possibly even some hcg.
partyboynyc
12-11-2003, 07:14 PM
we just stop helping people and just party around here!!!let the other boards help so they can get some traffic and try to be as good as AR. we should send all newbies to other sites to research and them have them come back here after like a year or so. i can't even answer questions anymore.it makes my brain hurt to think sometimes :(
Ankhefenmut
12-25-2003, 03:51 AM
Ron, this is a GREAT post.
Is there anyway you can make sure that new member read this before they can get access to the forums and ask questions that you have already answered here?
twobase9
01-26-2004, 10:27 AM
I am a first time user. I play college baseball and i was wondering what anyone thought about using sus for my first cycle, i'm planning on stacking d-bol with it. can anyone reply on what they think, i would appreciate it! thanks
clintster442
01-27-2004, 03:52 AM
This is my first post. I've done steriods before, but never a full stack. Just a little something here and there. I want to do a full stack now and was wondering if I could get some wisdom from some of you more experienced users. I've got 75mg/10ml Trenbolone Acetate, 100mg/20ml Winny, 200mg/10ml Equipoise, and 25mcg/100tabs Cytomel. What of this should I take, how much, how often, how long? I am looking for some serious cutting and hoping I got some of the right stuff. :unsure: Let me know what you think.
hoss827
01-27-2004, 06:33 PM
Just read this, might be old BUT KICK ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm definatley going by this for my first cycle. Thanks ron! :wg:
ducatiscotti
01-28-2004, 09:53 PM
hey my friend and i are 17 and we are looking to take some deca.... we're both high school athletes and some **** good ones if i might add...we want to know if we take one cycle will we see any major side effects with our liver or anything? and anything else we should really take into consideration before use... thanks guys
Hardcore189
02-08-2004, 06:44 PM
"I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle" :banana:
Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly
1st cut vs bulk
A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.
Diet
This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.
For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.
Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.
Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.
The Gear
The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself
Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.
The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.
Dbol and other orals.
I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier
Doses
I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.
For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.
Other thing you need to be taking
Lots of water. I am not ****ting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.
Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex. Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.
The correct way to run clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed
Final thought
For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.
THANX....good info
funkjpk
02-12-2004, 06:32 PM
thanx for the info what bout primo depot instead of the equipoise (cant get into the doggy horsy stuff)
Thanks guy. If you have questions it would benifit you to make another thread for it. It would get answered easier.
Just to help out I'll say primo sucks I'd rather do deca. And 17 is way too young
bbuilt
02-22-2004, 02:26 AM
ron, im a newbie and this answered a lot of my questions thanks.
GenuinePL
02-22-2004, 10:18 AM
keep this up. Newbies: read and learn and never forget :stick: :lift:
elipogtog
03-09-2004, 09:02 PM
Hi all!! I very new to roids and i all i have done so far is a cycle of anatest and d-bol, but i need some help and info on how much to take and what to take. I am bout 150-160lbs jumping back and fourth :( and i'm looking to get up to bout 175 lean. I took 2cc's of test 1nce a week and and 4 tabs a day for d-bol. Any suggests on how many cc's of test to take and d-bol. am i doing this thing right or what? please help either post here or e-mail me please any help would be appreciated thanks! :yellowcon
GREENMACHINE
03-16-2004, 12:57 PM
Hi all!! I very new to roids and i all i have done so far is a cycle of anatest and d-bol, but i need some help and info on how much to take and what to take. I am bout 150-160lbs jumping back and fourth :( and i'm looking to get up to bout 175 lean. I took 2cc's of test 1nce a week and and 4 tabs a day for d-bol. Any suggests on how many cc's of test to take and d-bol. am i doing this thing right or what? please help either post here or e-mail me please any help would be appreciated thanks! :yellowcon
I,M CHEEKY ME
WHATS YOUR TRAINING EXPERIENCE STARTING WEIGHTGOALS, HOW OFTEN YOU TRAIN. Seriousy have a look arounf and think it throgt the info is out there already I found that out the hard way.
IN FACT THIS POST GIVES A GOOD START
500mg enthanate
3-400mg eq/deca
NOLVA 20MG THROUGH OUT TILL END OF PCT
clomid 300mg day1
clomid 100mg day2-11
clomid 50mg day 12-21
arkansasguy71
03-25-2004, 03:26 PM
I am going to be trying the cycle above. I had a few questions though.. probably stupid ones, but im new. He says that 500 mg of test.. Is that per day or week? One shot per week? Also.. the place I was looking has.. Chemical Name: Testosterone Cypionate, Chemical Name: Testosterone Propionate
both by british dragon. Are either one of theses the same as test enathate he metioned above? Thanks for the help
jmicho
04-09-2004, 10:29 AM
hey heres a tight cycle take d bol to start for 3 weeks are so just to get a kick start take about 40 mgs a day. Then get 10 amps of sustonon or omedren and take that on the last week of dbol like 1 cc every five days. about the last two weeks of sustenon go ahead and start some equipoise if you want and if your already pretty lean scre the equi and go to some deca on the last five weeks of the omadren or sustenon. you should be 30-40 pounds hevier and stronger than you thought you would ever be.
KenshinXX
05-16-2004, 10:19 PM
I weigh 150lbs, I am 5,6 and I have 130 dbols...what is the best way to take it...I am a novice to juice but not to training...i have been lifting weights for 7 years...can you help?
Eagergearhead
05-22-2004, 12:14 PM
I'm not sure if you are the right person to answer my question or not but anyways here goes. I'm a newbie and any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Want to try gear and here is what I can get ahold of for my first cutting cycle.This will also be my first time with gear as well. A friend at my gym can get me Wynnie and EQ. What should my dosage be and I don't see any cycles like this listed, should I hold off until I can get some better "equipment" or run this and hope all goes well? :unsure:
seanw
05-24-2004, 03:16 AM
Ron
I have just turned fourt nine. I have been working out since I was eighteen but because of my metabolism I have never been able to have good gains. Is it work giving the gear a try at my age, I have always wanted to give it a go. Have I left my run to late ?
Sean
saleen89
05-24-2004, 08:44 PM
I just started my first cycle and I was wondering what people thought about this. I'm on T-4 and deca 300 and I will complete my third week on friday. How does this sound. I take half a cc twice a week of each.
dr9999
05-26-2004, 02:49 PM
Age 38 - weight 180- bench 350/squat 500, never geared but ready now.
I feel that i have good power but totally lack size. I want to grow. I eat very healthy and hit the gym 5-6days week.. Just can't stay away.
All these post make gear look so easy, where the hell does all the gear come from?
I'm a little nervous to ask around my gym. Any help getting to the next level would be appreciated. If you need more info I'd be happy to supply it.
Tnx!
we just stop helping people and just party around here!!!let the other boards help so they can get some traffic and try to be as good as AR. we should send all newbies to other sites to research and them have them come back here after like a year or so. i can't even answer questions anymore.it makes my brain hurt to think sometimes :(
i believe you must have been a newbie sometime or are you god.
we just stop helping people and just party around here!!!let the other boards help so they can get some traffic and try to be as good as AR. we should send all newbies to other sites to research and them have them come back here after like a year or so. i can't even answer questions anymore.it makes my brain hurt to think sometimes :(
i believe you must have been a newbie sometime or are you god.
H_NICOLE
05-29-2004, 03:12 PM
Hi! I Have A Few ? About Reforvit B. My Boyfriend Use To Take Steriods (deca) Before I Knew Him... Now He Wants To Start Taking Them Again To "get Big". I Don't Approve, Because I Have Heard About 'roid Rage' And I Don't Want Him To Get Like Crazy Or Anything. He Told Me That Reforvit Isn't Even Like A Steriod And He Won't Rage. Is This True?
millionmillionaires
06-18-2004, 03:58 PM
Five-star post
Thick Back
06-26-2004, 06:12 AM
That post was very helpfull, i started a cycle of Deca only last week, had read heaps of bits and thought i was ready. I wouid say after reading this, im far away from ready... Thanks for the time of day and as a newby i think i can speak for all the other newbies when i say your years of exp and training, and the fact that you are willing to share this info means alot to us.. Thanks..
BulletCatcher
06-26-2004, 08:26 AM
Thanks a BUNCH!!! You can research and research and still not get it all in your head. I for one appreciate a short, concise, cut to the chase version. This has helped me understand a LOT. As a newbie, THANKS.
smackdown
07-02-2004, 09:59 AM
RON, great! that you've start this thread, i'm a newbie and it gives me excellent info... keep it up...
bluethunder
07-02-2004, 11:20 AM
good post Ron
Skipper
07-06-2004, 12:34 AM
Very good post, one of the best ive seen, on this forum.. I have been looking on this page for a couple of years.. But has only recently joined..
novice007
07-08-2004, 08:31 PM
Ron,
Very useful post. Thanks
I am just about to start my first cycle and have been recommended a combination of Anapolon and winstrol. I have been training for a very long time, but now want to put on some lean muscle more quickly. I am about 5,11 very lean (recently ran a marathon) and about 80KG.
I have been suggested the following cycle:
2 wks of Anapolon 50 - 3 tabs week 1 followed by 5 tab week 2
6 wks of winstrol depot - 1ml week one, 5ml week two, 5ml week three, 4ml week four, 2ml week five, 1ml week six. I have been advcised to strat the winstrol in my final week of taking anapolon.
I have also been suggested to take 50 1mg tabs of clenbuterol after finishing the cycle.
Does this sound sensible and reasonable. Is there any advice you can give me?
Thanks
Tiny205
07-11-2004, 10:26 PM
Hey, this is my first cycle. I started with 25 mg a day of Dbols for two weeks and then started Sust and EQ. I take 500 mg of Sust a week and 200 mg of EQ a week along with the 25 mg of Dbol. My deal is if my natural test levels were low to begin with, will I need to up the doses to really see significant results. The reason that I ask is that I haven't felt that much of a pump in the gym but have been in a much better mood through out the day. A doctor told my that low test levels cause depression so that really make sense to me why I am feeling better but I am wondering if its not enough to get results.
logansurfer33
07-23-2004, 03:02 PM
I am interested in getting back into doing a cycle. I currently have 200mg
of Tess. What is a normal cycle and what can I stack with it ? I am 6'1"
200 lbs with a big frame (ex-college football player).....
Is 1cc a week good or do I need to add more? Thanks, Logan
powerlifter
07-23-2004, 03:05 PM
I am interested in getting back into doing a cycle. I currently have 200mg
of Tess. What is a normal cycle and what can I stack with it ? I am 6'1"
200 lbs with a big frame (ex-college football player).....
Is 1cc a week good or do I need to add more? Thanks, Logan
Bro you mentioned back into doing a cycle - what in the world did you do before if you are asking a question like that ? Sorry Bro but that is a Steroid 101 question. Please do some more research before putting potentially life altering chemicals into your body. Safety First Bro.
powerlifter
07-23-2004, 03:07 PM
BTW Ron - good informative post
almostgone
07-23-2004, 04:21 PM
good stuff- saved on a disc with the rest of my reference material..........
Cuddawooda
08-04-2004, 02:21 PM
Hey guys i have 5 mil Winstrol and have been taking 2 in the am and 2 in the pm is that too much? How long should I cycle w/o hurting myself
mtnfit
08-14-2004, 05:41 PM
Thanks for the post. This is my third cycle, however been about 7 years since last. Thanks again.
tinknocker
08-17-2004, 04:49 PM
I have done a couples cycles of deca. I have just purchased some qv 300 & t400. When I say that I have done a couple cycles, I mean one last year and the other finished in may. Im 6'4" 230lbs and 33yrs old. I hit the gym every day. I am new to using gear and try to learn about what I am taking and how to do it right. I want to get big not die. I have never used any antiestrogens. Can someone brake down a cycle with qv 300 and T400? Should I get some clomid or nova? How much? When do I start it?
RipRock
08-26-2004, 02:53 PM
So let me get this streight.
which is it end deca a week after test or end test a week after deca? :unsure:
smhart75
08-26-2004, 06:56 PM
test after deca
SMYL_GR8
08-27-2004, 04:23 PM
Thanks Ron. My training partner is former IFBB and didn't have this much info for me!
Big Slick
09-14-2004, 08:33 PM
Great post-puts all I've been reading in one place.
Keep em comin!
BigJames
09-28-2004, 11:18 AM
The original message is fantastic...I apologize now for not reading it before me first posts...
metallicafan4u69
09-28-2004, 08:04 PM
It is the stuff like this i look for. Thanx.
jdmLove4me
10-25-2004, 11:05 PM
Hey i have some questions and I have been reading on this forums, but I am pretty lost still. I am 6'0 165lb 20 years old and work out daily for about 2 years and lately have been eating right and drinking plenty of water. I take whey protein and i tried NO2 not too long ago and I think i want to jiuce. It is very hard for me to gain any weight or bulk I just get real cut. A friend has told me to take DBOL ONLY (didnt say anything about NOLVA) for 6 weeks at about 15-25 mg orally. I am quite confused on what my first cycle should be and what i should take. I am also quite lost about TEST cycles and what needs to be done with that. Is there any way you can email me with some help or guildlines on a first cycle or WHERE to begin.
syncere
10-28-2004, 03:36 AM
dude!! stop posting on old treads...,thk ron alot of info.
Nutz56
11-16-2004, 01:57 AM
i'm startin my first cycle here soon, and i just wanted to say thanks a bunch man... really helps
kevrox
12-07-2004, 12:35 PM
Hello,
I am new to the thread and new to the steroid scend but definitley not new to working out. For a first time cycle, I have just started my third week of Deca durabolon from QV (company name????)..I believe. My source is reliable and the product is legit. I have injected this product successfully but have seen no results in 3 weeks, over and above my regular workout results. Is there an amount of time after which I will see some noticeable results???? I am currently not stacking this with anything other than token creatine and glutamine. Should I be....The only sides I have noticed have been mild headaches. I am an experienced lifter and know what I am doing .....I am willing to try a heavier product as I know Deca is "user friendly" more than many others. Should I be stacking, waiting, or using something else. ANy help you veterans can offer me would be very much welcomed.
Thanks,
BigMike J
12-07-2004, 12:44 PM
Hello,
I am new to the thread and new to the steroid scend but definitley not new to working out. For a first time cycle, I have just started my third week of Deca durabolon from QV (company name????)..I believe. My source is reliable and the product is legit. I have injected this product successfully but have seen no results in 3 weeks, over and above my regular workout results. Is there an amount of time after which I will see some noticeable results???? I am currently not stacking this with anything other than token creatine and glutamine. Should I be....The only sides I have noticed have been mild headaches. I am an experienced lifter and know what I am doing .....I am willing to try a heavier product as I know Deca is "user friendly" more than many others. Should I be stacking, waiting, or using something else. ANy help you veterans can offer me would be very much welcomed.
Thanks,
You will get more responses if you start your own thread.
nate3422
12-09-2004, 05:50 PM
nice post, thanks
rainjack
01-14-2005, 11:39 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I've looked all over the place for when and how to use nolva and clomid - and you did it in less that 500 words. Another piece of the AAS puzzle falls into place.
darrell
03-22-2005, 07:22 PM
United pharmacies any good?
UnBreakable
03-04-2006, 01:34 AM
Im 19 years old, 5'8 and 168 pounds. ive been lifting for years and ahve trouble gaining weight. i am currently running sueprdrol and tribulus. can anyone suggest what i should take to bulk up? and after to cut up? my friends have recommended test and equi and others test and deca. my goals are to in the end weigh in at 185 with cuts.
Im 19 years old, 5'8 and 168 pounds. ive been lifting for years and ahve trouble gaining weight. i am currently running sueprdrol and tribulus. can anyone suggest what i should take to bulk up? and after to cut up? my friends have recommended test and equi and others test and deca. my goals are to in the end weigh in at 185 with cuts.
Mate post this question in the Steroid Forum, this is the wrong place
Very informative, great post!!
gellert32
03-20-2006, 08:27 PM
i live in toronto ontario and i want to do some roids, but i cant seem to find anything good. any ideas of wher i should be looking?
i live in toronto ontario and i want to do some roids, but i cant seem to find anything good. any ideas of wher i should be looking?
Mate if you ask for sources here you will be banned.
gellert32
03-21-2006, 10:23 AM
sorry man didnt no that wont do it again.
dvldg
03-21-2006, 08:44 PM
Besides the obvious I've found the answer to every question so far simply by reading old threads. Thanks guys.
digitalje5u5
04-01-2006, 11:38 PM
Great post.
nygsxr1000
04-24-2006, 09:56 AM
i appreciate all of these sticky threads they are very useful
eljugo16
05-01-2006, 08:53 AM
great post ron
VickDMS2
05-06-2006, 09:50 PM
Hey guys, i'm not sure if i'm posting in the right spot, kind of new to this. I have never used any steroids before. I'm 236, 5' 9", 25 years old and got a decent build. I've read alot about winny but i can't seem to get a straight answer on it cause everyone says different things. I'm not looking to get bigger, i just want to cut up. I'm gonna start taking winny. My question is, should i start taking 50mg a day, being i havent taken any steroids before? And on my off days of working out should i still inject and continue to? And also how long should i do it for?
frazer21
05-09-2006, 07:58 AM
hi ppl im 21 and just started out and i was wantin all the help from all you experience
JackBauer
07-08-2007, 11:39 PM
thank you very much ron for that contribution.... very helpful....bump
hotjocknsocks
07-28-2007, 03:11 PM
GREAT info guys. thanks from a newbie
bowonly
08-13-2007, 12:57 PM
BEST POST I HAVE READ SO FAR... Thanks!
BEAMERMAN
01-14-2008, 01:56 PM
this thread has answered alot of my questions
pittie
01-18-2008, 06:18 PM
I've just started a cycle of Trenbolone Enanthate and I'm supposed to be mixing it 1ml to 1ml twice a week with B12. The thing is that the B12 wont mix beacause it's not an oil base. so it just sits in the middle of the tren.is this ok to inject anyway?
pump.joe
01-22-2008, 06:34 PM
Bookmarked. :bbAily:
dockery14
01-22-2008, 10:41 PM
i way 160 i have been working out for 4 years and i would like to have some personal advice what would be good to get started on. a friend told me tren would work but i read up and i learned that he was full of sh**. So any advice would be helpful
h33_h33_h33
03-04-2008, 12:38 PM
ok so i made so many researches i wana start on a cycle.. however im quite desperate.. im 5 kilos above my normal weight.. the weight im suppose to be according to calculations.. i started working out almost a month ago heavy to warm up muscles.. do u think im ready to go on it? if i do what would the results be.. am i gonna gain weight rather than musles mass.. doesnt steroids burn fat too?? keep in mind im not aiming big.. just fit.. two substance testosron and winstrol.. 6 week cylce! just a push..
personaltrainermark
04-27-2008, 07:49 PM
Keep up the good work. Thanks for the info.
bowonly
04-27-2008, 08:58 PM
WOW.. interesting how the PCT recommendations has changed since this was originally posted...or has it?
jmoose
04-30-2008, 10:38 AM
"I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle" :banana:
Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly
1st cut vs bulk
A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.
Diet
This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.
For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.
Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.
Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.
The Gear
The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself
Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.
The most coming thing to ad is deca. Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.
Dbol and other orals.
I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier
Doses
I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.
For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.
Other thing you need to be taking
Lots of water. I am not shitting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.
Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex. Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.
The correct way to run clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed
Final thought
For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.
Can anyone tell me how many vials I would need to buy of Deca and Test E along with how much nolva and clomid?
Can anyone tell me how many vials I would need to buy of Deca and Test E along with how much nolva and clomid?
Dude this is the wrong place to ask questions. You need to read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179
aimology
06-03-2008, 05:48 AM
Great post, but I have one question about your PCT
If you have nolva, then why cant you take it for your PCT instead of Clomid since you have it already ? I mean Clomid can have some bad sides, so why not Nolva with some... hows it spelled... Arosiminia ? I forget how its spelled, but I'm personally trying to find a PCT that does not include Clomid in it.
Can someone also explain how Clomid and Nolva would be "different" per say for a pct ?
both fight estrogen
nolva drops the nut sack
nolva fixes test
nolva fights gyno
nolva is safer
nolva is stronger
clomid does ? what exactly that nolva doesnt do ?
thanks for the imput. peace.
ralf_snake
11-26-2008, 07:58 AM
So i take it that test: is just plain Testosteron you take always as a basis?
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