How does Judo Rank in street fighting

[yannick32]

How does Judo Rank in street fighting, a guy at my job practice shotokan karate, which i think sucks since its a light contact art.

But he says that he can beat judo guys when they try to come in and grab him.

Doesn't judo have any takedowns. I know that in the street it has to be hard to use trying to grab a guy that has a t-shirt on LOL.

[BOUNCER]

Well Judo is a sport based MA, its not really intended for the street as there's no strikes in it. But a Shotokan fighter -V- a Judo player, I'd have to give it to the judoka everytime.

Judo has very big take downs, not all requiring a grip on the Gi. I don't honestly think a Shotokan fighter would survive one, he certainly wouldn't break the judoka's grips either standing or heaven's forbid when the judoka takes him to the ground.

If you look through the forums on www.judoinfo.com there's a thread similar to this one.

[Div1Wrestler]

Well Judo is a sport based MA, its not really intended for the street as there's no strikes in it. But a Shotokan fighter -V- a Judo player, I'd have to give it to the judoka everytime.

Judo has very big take downs, not all requiring a grip on the Gi. I don't honestly think a Shotokan fighter would survive one, he certainly wouldn't break the judoka's grips either standing or heaven's forbid when the judoka takes him to the ground.

If you look through the forums on www.judoinfo.com there's a thread similar to this one.

I'd have to agree.... If you look at Pride's "Hidehiko Yoshida"a top Judo player I must say the guy does very well and throws guys with just fight shorts on at will ... (Hes at the top of the chain as far as Judo in my eyes)

[yannick32]

Went to see the karate course at the school near my house tonight , it has no katas and is based on fighting karate.

I don't wanna sound disrespectful or anything when i talk about shotokan karate, i did this style for 1 year but i think its the weakest style of them all. I am not saying that you should go all out fighting each time but a little contact is fun sometimes.

They don't even practice striking in a punching bag or target mits, and spending 2 hours doing katas is really not what i like to do.

Guy at my job showed me is last competition, man that was so funny, you got 3 chances to strike the guy then its is turn to strike you, if you strike to hard you are disqualified.

Look like freaking balorina dancing to me.

Thanks for your feedback guys, and yes Hidehiko Yoshida is very impressive, even more when he fought Wandy Silva.

[phwSSJ]

Agree with Bouncer once again.

I think judo would be an affective tool on the street.
If you slam someone on the concrete with a judo throw they will start crying!

[cdogge]

I agree...damn near all street fights end up on the ground...throw some punches in there and you are good to go..

[momogiacana]

in street fighting anything goes.

[phwSSJ]

in street fighting anything goes.

[phwSSJ]

Whats good about Judo is you can throw someone hard, not have to worry about them getting back up and you are still standing up. Meaning you can be ready for whoever is next. Not like taking a guy down and mounting him then getting a boot to the head!

That is what I like about Judo in a street fight. Cuz usually when I get in a fight its me against a bunch of other guys.
When you get the hang of it, its pretty easy to toss untrained people.

Hey Bouncer... you ever slam anyone on the ground for misbehaving in your line of work, I mean using some real Judo?

[BOUNCER]

Hey Bouncer... you ever slam anyone on the ground for misbehaving in your line of work, I mean using some real Judo?

Honestly I don't think so. If someone is that much out of line there's usually punches flying already. But if I'm escorting someone from the premises I've usually got a grip on a part of their clothing which will allow either a throw, a swipe or just allow me to control their movements.

Btw, I don't believe Jiu Jitsu 'escort locks' work in most situations.

If someone struggles with me I'll usually go for some kind of strangle.

[fast_eddie]

i think all ma's are good for a street fight...only prob is to be effective in a ma you need experiance in a real fight you dont choose moves what your going to do etc, you just have them beat into your memory so much that when a fight occurs you start throwing shit theres been a few fights that ive been in that i think to myself it woulda been more fun had i done this and this. Remember 99 percent of streetfights are over within 30 secs. I have a friend who takes shotokan karate and if he hits me with a elbow or a kick or a well thrown punch my lights would be out...that said tho if i hit him with either of those he would prolly be done to...oh and katas suck but they are essential in my opinion for a good stand up they improved my balance and flexability alot as well as work on your mind among other things

[Jantzen4k]

i took shotokan in college for 2 yrs.

it sucked if your looking how to brawl.


jui juitsu is the way to go.

brazilian would be best.

[Mighty Joe]

Judging someones fight style, whether its Shotokan Karate, Judo, JJ, Aikido or whatever, is never a very good way to pre-judge the size of the "Fight" in the fighter!

[TestTubeBaby]

fighters are born, not made. some have that aggressive, fighting spirit, and that cant be taught. u build upon that, obviously. but my mom is a black belt..doesnt mean she can kick some ass. i know plenty of dudes who havent trained in martial arts whatsoever who would DESTROY a judo practitioner..i personally think judo is not very effective unless ur already quite an experienced fighter.

[yannick32]

It was just so funny cause me and my girlfriend went to eat at one of her friends house and i met the boyfriend, he add been practicing judo for 10 years.

I just said that to the guy at my job and he got all defensive about that, when i saw is video about is competition ( shotokan) i laugh my ass off and having practiced that style myself i know how gay it was.

I watch my Pride dvd and there are a lot of guys giving amazing judo throws, of course you can't only have judo, you still have to learn stand up.

People who get defensive expose themselves has being fakes and dumb asses, guess my point is made.

[fast_eddie]

shotokan last time i looked isnt "gay" i guess another thing to be taken into context is whos teaching you...is it rex kwon do or someone who knows something about combative fighting...some people(more so in aikido) just do it as a art instead of self defense..

[yannick32]

Sorry didn't mean to offend, shotokan with there weird point system scoring and katas cannot be taken seriously. I add a great shotokan teacher he was very basic and powerful, but when i asked him to show me the spinning back kick and kick to the head he said that shotokan doesn't allow head kicks.

Kyo Kushin karate is far better since you are allowed leg kicks and it really reflex street fighting physiologie.

You are right shotokan is better practice has an art then a fighting sport.

[BOUNCER]

A saying regarding no strikes in Judo comes to mind "Pavement is harder than hands or feet". I wouldn't fancy a big Judo thrown onto the pavement!.

[hollaatyoboy]

i dont care what u practice u come talking shit my way at a bar you 'll get a bottle smack upside your head before you finish your sentence then again that is why iam going to court tommorrow for milisacueos wounding with intent to maim and disfigure **** the roid rage

[yannick32]

you would make a great martial artist no doubt, bottle master.

Good luck in court.

[BOUNCER]

i dont care what u practice u come talking shit my way at a bar you 'll get a bottle smack upside your head before you finish your sentence then again that is why iam going to court tommorrow for milisacueos wounding with intent to maim and disfigure **** the roid rage

Please accept this as a token of apprication from me and the good members of AR.com and in particular the members of this Martial arts forum.

[yannick32]

LMAO Bouncer i almost lost my pancrease laughing when i saw your certificate.

[Div1Wrestler]

thats funny

[phwSSJ]

Lmfgdaofrofl

[phwSSJ]

A saying regarding no strikes in Judo comes to mind "Pavement is harder than hands or feet". I wouldn't fancy a big Judo thrown onto the pavement!.

Exactly what I am talking about.

I have thrown someone on the concrete before and have been thrown on the concrete before.

I tell you what... I would rather have taken a punch to the face.
If you get thrown hard on the concrete its hard to get back up. Not only do you bang your body hitting the gorund but a lot of times you bang your head as well and that is even if you train to fall.


When it comes to fighting everyone is different.
I guess the most natural reaction is to start swinging.

But to me unless I am in danger or I see someone in danger, I usually have mercy on whoever I am fighting. I dont like to hurt people more than I have to. Also using judo or jiu jitsu-(one attacker) would be a good way to not get someone elses blood on you.


BOTTOM LINE IMHO:

Jiu jitsu can be used very effectively in a street situation if there is only one attacker.

Judo can be used very effectively as well in many scenarios on the street.
sometimes more affective than a punch. And definitly if you got someone try to hold you while the other guys try to put some work on you.

Muay Thai can also be very effective but also more dangerouse and I think you really got to be skilled, unlike Judo or jiu jitsu. Because with the other two arts you have a much bigger advantage over your opponent where all they have to do is make the common mistake and they are done.
Where as with throwing strikes, #1 most people are not as skilled as they think they are and are liable to get themselves even more hurt. #2 Blood. #3
You dont have that much more of an advantage cuz when it comes to exchanging strikes a lot more factors are involved.

If applied properly, I think Muay Thai would be the best if I HAD TO PICK ONE!

As far as the other martial arts, I do not think they are as effective.
Aikido can be effective but it is not very practical because to be efficient you need a LOT of training (many years) to be efficient.
That goes for kung fu as well.
Karate and TaeKwonDo I think you could take some good things out of it but definitly not how they teach it here in the states, for the most part.

One type of martial arts I would think would be very effective and cool to learn would be weapons. I think being handy with a chain would be an awesome thing to add to your arsenal.

Me personally I just dont have the time for it.
Shooting guns in the bayou everyweekend is sufficient for my weapons training.

[yannick32]

Great reply phwSSJ thanks

[yannick32]

In tae kwon do i was very effective cause i was aggressive, i think this means a lot too and can really put down someone. If you hit hard you can scare the other person too.

Usually open my attack with a push kick but put a lot of strenght when i push to show the other competitor that i meant buisness.

[yannick32]

Also the way you train, meaning that if you spend 1 hour doing katas you just wont get anywhere.

Hitting pads and punching bag, target mits and sparring is where its at this is why muay Thai is so amazing. Tae Kwon do has a lot of sparring too but the sad thing is you have almost no close attacks and if taken down you can't do nothing.

Tae kwon do should incorporate a good hand technic instead of having just 1 punch.

In tae kwon do competition there is no points allowed for a punch so competitors are not encourage to use punching.

Another good art is Kyo Kushin karate the training is very hard and you spar a lot too. Leg kick are allowed and its full contact without any protection.

Unlike tae kwon do where you are protected head to toe, Kyo kushin you do feel full impact punching in the chest region stomach and legs, this can boost confidence in a street fight cause you will be custom to getting hit, same thing has muay thai.

This is why if i can even cure the back with thoses damn posture exercice i would love to do a mix of karate tae kwon do that the sensei near my house teaches and jiu jitsu.

The dojo is filled with target mits, punching bag and they spar a lot plus there is no katas.

Another thing i have learned from tae kwon do is feinting, pretending to throw a kick somewhere but land in the face.

[colossus1]

Wanna learn how to fight? Take muay thai..........end of story. The old style.......using elbows, headbutts, etc.......its a nasty martial art.......

[Gmill13]

I train Judo and sometime train with Jiu Jitsu guys and the one misconception about Judo is that there is no ground game. Granted, the ground game can be very short in competition but when you do newaza randori (freeplay groundwork) you work damn hard and you grapple sometimes for an hour straight improving your game constantly. In fact, I would say with the exception of leg locks, a Judoka's ground game on a competion level has to be much quicker than a Jiu Jitsu guys, if a guy closes guard on you, expect to get stood up fast.

I love both arts, but seriouslly the most common misconception is that Judo is all throws.

[Hunter]

I have dabbled in Judo but mostly Greco Roman (some similiraties) but yes I think it is a effective for self defense. 90% of Stree fights will go to the ground and with Judo you have your choices of throws sweeps and trips. I mean the average guy will throw haymakes a Judoka is going to close the distace preform a takedown and end up in a superior postion most of the time i.e mount or even guard. Also look at the guys that have Judo backgrounds in MMA Karo(ranked in the U.S),Fedor and Alex E (Fedor was ranked in russia for Judo not just Sambo) Ogwa(Silver medalist olympics), Yoshida(Gold medalist olympics) so yeah I would say its a fine Martial art for defense.

[BOUNCER]

I train Judo and sometime train with Jiu Jitsu guys and the one misconception about Judo is that there is no ground game. Granted, the ground game can be very short in competition but when you do newaza randori (freeplay groundwork) you work damn hard and you grapple sometimes for an hour straight improving your game constantly. In fact, I would say with the exception of leg locks, a Judoka's ground game on a competion level has to be much quicker than a Jiu Jitsu guys, if a guy closes guard on you, expect to get stood up fast.

I love both arts, but seriouslly the most common misconception is that Judo is all throws.

Yup, thats a huge misconception about Judo. And like you said, apart from the lack of attacks on your legs a Judoka's ground game is going to be very quick. Its a pity its not allowed go on longer in competition. If your interested in a good Judo forum checkout www.judoinfo.com it has a great forum over there, with absolutely zero tolerance to bullshit posting.

[jit864]

This post has been going on for months. I should just let it go , but I can't. Some of you need to tune in to UFC or Pride. These are the best fighters on Planet Earth. You don't see anyone kicking ass with kung fake fu, ty kwon slow, or any of the many lame branches of karate. You see wrestling takedowns and sprawls, brazilian submissions and defense, muay ti knees and elbows, and boxings hand-eye coordination. Argue that!!!!

[USfighterFC]

This post has been going on for months. I should just let it go , but I can't. Some of you need to tune in to UFC or Pride. These are the best fighters on Planet Earth. You don't see anyone kicking ass with kung fake fu, ty kwon slow, or any of the many lame branches of karate. You see wrestling takedowns and sprawls, brazilian submissions and defense, muay ti knees and elbows, and boxings hand-eye coordination. Argue that!!!!

And we've all seen it, and trained with them as well. What's your point?

[Hackamaniac]

you would make a great martial artist no doubt, bottle master.

Good luck in court.

[USfighterFC]

This post has been going on for months. I should just let it go , but I can't. Some of you need to tune in to UFC or Pride. These are the best fighters on Planet Earth. You don't see anyone kicking ass with kung fake fu, ty kwon slow, or any of the many lame branches of karate. You see wrestling takedowns and sprawls, brazilian submissions and defense, muay ti knees and elbows, and boxings hand-eye coordination. Argue that!!!!

By the way guess who's base is Karate and is a legend in MMA.....that's right Bas Rutten

[groundandpoundpwr21]

Chuck lidel isnt he kempo?

[simm]

semmy schilt is karate based 2

[jit864]

Bas rutten is a true freestyle fighter. Those leg kicks, knees, and his awesome gaurd were not taught to him in any karate class. Chuck Liddell, just like myself were miss-informed and dabbled in karate back in the day. That is not the reason he is the light heavyweight champion today. The reason he is the champ is his boxing, jiujitsu, and it sure does help he was a great division 1 wrestler in college. What can I say about 8' tall Semmy Schilt? Freak genetics and lack of drug testing in pride can win you a few fights. Isn't he layed up at the house now?

[jit864]

Oh ya Sambo Destroyer since you work out with the best, tell Matt Hues and Randy Cotoure I said whats up.