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    State of Bodybuilding

    I've been reading and watching a lot about the state of BB today. Golden era vs today's mass monsters. I got I to BB when I was 17/18, just at the beginning of the mass monster era. At 5-8" I've never really aspired to be Dorian Yates, yet wanted to be bigger then Zane et al. I'd like to get a feel for where you guys on the forum stand as regard to this question, especially in light of Arnold's comments at his 2015 classic and the bubble gut era, which I find repulsive BTW. I found some old flex mags I had from the early 90s and noticed that when I flicked through it, more than half of the guys depicted were dead. Made me very sad, but also very grateful that I didn't start pinning back then, I'd probably be dead now too. I had no idea that getting a physique like those guys involved much less focus on training and diet than it did in the 50s thru 70s. I don't regret waiting until now to pin as my test loss begins to accelerate, but I won't be stacking countless dif things in obscene amounts. I am not judging, but I am sad that a sport I always thought was a healthy pass time is anything but. I want to see my son get married and hopefully hold a grandchild.

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    Healthy goals are great. Todays competitive bodybuilding is not a healthy thing and never will be unfortunately. Until the judging standards change it will remain that way. Moderate dosing of aas coupled with intelligence and solid nutrition will take you far. The intelligence aspect includes frequent blood work to understand what's actually happening to you on the inside.

    The problem with amateurs today is that everyone's in a rush to get the physique of their dreams. Basically the "want it now" or "more is better" generation which doesn't have the patience or work ethic of their elders. So they train six months and then start cycles that a seasoned vet may not run, then wonder why they have health issues.....

    My point I guess would be to train hard and focus on nutrition, which is where most guys fail miserably. Use aas to help achieve your goals but not as the sole precurser to achieving them.

    Be smart, be healthy and pursue your dreams in all aspects of life. BB'ing has opened so many doors in my life that I'm thankful for but it still has to be kept in the proper perspective. It doesn't come with a pension plan and health benefits!
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    Indeed Kel! BB has given me a work ethic and sense of discipline that has been extremely beneficial in all aspects of my life. I also must give credence to the fact that I'm fortunate to have been born with a mesomorph type body and reasonable genetics so gaining muscle was never difficult for me without aas. I wonder if this had not been the case would I have started pinning much early. I was also fortunate that the gym I first started seriously training in was run by guys who were very much about health and aesthetics and used to ridicule the over use of aas and also those who had a poor attitude in general and favoured hard work, discipline and perserverence.

    I am also inclined to agree with you about laying a good portion of the blame on the judges. Another thing that kept me away from competing was the subjectivity, favoritism, and politics involved. I always knew I had way to bad a temper and short tolerance for BS to compete when I younger. I also had a good degree of difficulty getting my head around being judged by someone who may have never set foot inside a gym or was getting his rocks off watching us onstage lol.

    Here's a link to a vid I watched last night, if you can get over the whiney French accent, he does make some valid points, especially about the fans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhzOS8T7Hys

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Healthy goals are great. Todays competitive bodybuilding is not a healthy thing and never will be unfortunately. Until the judging standards change it will remain that way. Moderate dosing of aas coupled with intelligence and solid nutrition will take you far. The intelligence aspect includes frequent blood work to understand what's actually happening to you on the inside.

    The problem with amateurs today is that everyone's in a rush to get the physique of their dreams. Basically the "want it now" or "more is better" generation which doesn't have the patience or work ethic of their elders. So they train six months and then start cycles that a seasoned vet may not run, then wonder why they have health issues.....

    My point I guess would be to train hard and focus on nutrition, which is where most guys fail miserably. Use aas to help achieve your goals but not as the sole precurser to achieving them.

    Be smart, be healthy and pursue your dreams in all aspects of life. BB'ing has opened so many doors in my life that I'm thankful for but it still has to be kept in the proper perspective. It doesn't come with a pension plan and health benefits!
    Totally agree, one aspect that I don't think many grasp is just how important nutrition is. They hyper focus on the perfect workout, perfect supplements and perfect cycle. But completely miss the mark with their nutrition planning. It's by far the hardest thing for me to get and keep right. It takes an an extraordinary amount of willpower to be consistent Day in day out, week in and week out and even month in and month out. That's what changes the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    It takes an an extraordinary amount of willpower to be consistent Day in day out, weekend and week out and even month in and month out. That's what changes the game.
    Yes it does. And lets not forget year after year...
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    I also think so many BBrs are gear dependant, Im not talking about high level, its the mid and below. I see guys in my gym that only train hard (or even come) when on and just plain lose their dedication when off. I try to explain to them that it matters most is when they are off, thats when the true dedication begins, anybody can be dedicated for 12-14 weeks on gear............................they just come up short when off cycle. Its like watching a fucking yoyo.

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    I also think so many BBrs are gear dependant, Im not talking about high level, its the mid and below. I see guys in my gym that only train hard (or even come) when on and just plain lose their dedication when off. I try to explain to them that it matters most is when they are off, thats when the true dedication begins, anybody can be dedicated for 12-14 weeks on gear............................they just come up short when off cycle. Its like watching a fucking yoyo.

    Yet they wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    I also think so many BBrs are gear dependant, Im not talking about high level, its the mid and below. I see guys in my gym that only train hard (or even come) when on and just plain lose their dedication when off. I try to explain to them that it matters most is when they are off, thats when the true dedication begins, anybody can be dedicated for 12-14 weeks on gear............................they just come up short when off cycle. Its like watching a fucking yoyo.
    This is the thing that is rather frustrating when someone approaches you for help to get "back," into shape. They want your advice and opinions but when you give it to them, if it's to hard they won't do the things you told them they need to do. I use to help people out but it always ended up they same way. It took to much energy away from me to watch them not do what I suggested and quit when they didn't get anywhere.
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    Lmao I feel you guys. I've given hundreds of people advice and only a handful have actually done it. I have guys that ask me the same shit........year after year! But this past year things have turned, there's two kids I've been helping and they are both trying to get nationally qualified on Saturday so I guess it makes up for all the others.
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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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