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12-09-2015, 11:40 PM #81
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So you crossfit guys may be interested in this. I reached out too none other than Gary Glassman, the "founder" of cross fit! I am trying to arrange an interview with him for my blog! I thought with the increased interest here on the board in the cross fit phenomenon it would be cool to get some answers & thoughts directly from "The Source"!
I just cleared permission from admin here to do this and will keep everyone posted. Im pretty excited and hope it comes together. Ill keep you all posted.
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12-10-2015, 08:28 AM #82
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12-10-2015, 02:46 PM #83Junior Member
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Very cool, though I hear Gary likes it if you call him Greg. . Just playing with you!
We met Greg one year at the games. Super nice guy. We had gotten a box for the games from 2010-2013, and one of the years he went around to all the boxes and wanted to meet the people who had gotten them.
It was fun to thank him for the impact on my life. I went From slug to pretty damn fit and CrossFit was the only thing that held my attention enough to do it!
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12-10-2015, 03:24 PM #84
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Hey both 4 letters and begin with G, cut me some slack ;-)
Its pretty interesting how I was able to establish true contact with him and not just a "front" for him as is often the case in situations like this. It was actually through a bit of an adversary in the industry believe it or not. Anyway I may tell that story to preface the interview. Its nice to hear you reinforce that he is truly a nice guy, I was told the same about him so I am looking forward to learning more about him and about the history of cross fit and his company.
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12-10-2015, 08:19 PM #85
I've no interest in crossfit but I did see the 60 Minutes interview of him some time back. It was very interesting.
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12-10-2015, 10:37 PM #86
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12-11-2015, 08:47 PM #87Junior Member
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Bertuzzi, Billegitimate and Jimmy, thanks for your input. Very insightful.
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12-11-2015, 09:04 PM #88
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12-24-2015, 12:51 PM #93New Member
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been Crossfitting 2 years now -
had my share of injuries from not listening to my body and advice - but learnt from this
Don't get the same buzz from any other fitness activity - love it
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01-30-2016, 03:04 PM #94Associate Member
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Cross fit I would say is the most gruesome workouts I have ever done. It has everything and its not boring as you have other people working out with you. I am 59 and now after years of training, gym,triathlon this is the hardest. Completed my first MU last week.
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01-30-2016, 11:15 PM #95
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02-16-2016, 12:57 PM #96
I'm a bit late to the competition but I will weigh in (as I have trained for crossfit competitions).
The problem isn't that crossfit is any more dangerous than anything else. Hell, squatting is dangerous all by itself. The problem comes when you get an average person who has never been athletic, or thinks they are athletic but "reallllly" aren't trying to do too much too quick. Unlike a normal gym, where you can go in and stay to yourself while rocking out to your headphones, you are in a very social setting in crossfit. Everybody talks to everybody and that makes it more competitive ( even though most boxes say not to compete against anyone but yourself ). Rightttt. This is where the problem starts...
Now you have a "box" full of people. Some are legit former college, Olympic, pro athletes but most never even warmed a bench. The latter have not developed ligament or tendon strength to stabilize heavy weights in compound movements, and the social competitive aspect of it means that people try to do too much too fast. In reality this should be squashed by the staff and sometimes it is. I've trained at one of the best boxes in America while living in SoCal and the coaches there are legit. They're certified personal trainers who went to school for what they do and they don't let anybody lift a weight if they're breaking form. Rather you hear "STOP! Put it down. Drop weight and try again." Then they stand there. "Your backs too arched... Get those elbows up..."
This is how it should be.
On the other side is the majority of your boxes. All it takes to be a "certified level 1 trainer" and open a box is a 2 day class. Wtf?!? Really?!? In two days any old Schmuck can train people to lift high weights at high reps?
The answer is no they can't. When I came back to Florida a few months back I stopped in at the only box for about 50 miles. I stayed one class... I about had a stroke with what was going on. The owner/coach was clinically obese and was giving all kinda of thataboys and "good jobs" to people doing 5X5 front squats and form was absolutely out the window. I started jumping in and telling people they were going to hurt themselves.
"But I can't lift as much with my elbows up", one said...
Then the owner critiqued me, and I am extremely open to that... When it's correct. This guy says "if I could say something it would be that you squat too deep". Say what? Are you f'n kidding me?
Needless to say I never went back and do my own programming now.
Point is this is where the problem happens... Bad coaching, people doing way too much way too fast, and 150lb guys trying to lift what 250lb guys are lifting.
The genuine competitive guys have pretty good form, have been athletes for 10+ years, and are very strong, fast, and have endurance. This is what I drive for... An all around athleticism.
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02-16-2016, 01:01 PM #97
Alright it's not letting me edit typos... I meant late to the thread...
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02-17-2016, 12:10 PM #98
My thoughts are that it doesn't make a lot of sense in general.
They want to be aerobic athletes with the way they train but they are doing movements that develop speed, power and strength.
That being said I love that it's getting so many people moving.
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02-17-2016, 02:43 PM #99
Exactly right, and that's part of what leads people to do too much under poor coaching. Most people aren't very strong. They're average strong at best. So when you get a regular person, who has never lifted weight, doing as many squat thrusts as possible in 10 min risk begins going up. Now, if that person does this with body weight they will almost certainly not hurt themselves... If they do this with a 45lb bar they'll probably be ok. When they come right in and try this with 135 lbs they could very well screw up their rotator cuff until they develop stabilizing muscles.
It's a reason why PEDs aren't uncommon at the higher levels of this sport. You have to effectively train for strength, power, speed, and endurance at the same time while also mastering dozens of complex movements (ring muscle ups... Hand stand shoulder press... Rope climbs for speed). Training 3-4 times a day every day for 90 min a stretch requires faster recovery than what the body can usually manage on it's own. At my old box we had several regional qualifiers and 2 guys who have competed at the games (top 100 out of 100,000+ open competitirs). Both used AAS and lived at the gym.
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02-18-2016, 07:08 AM #100Associate Member
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Not to mention doing Olympic lifts when you aren't training for the olympics makes no sense. There are plenty of exercises to strengthen your body without the potential to seriously hurt yourself, Olympic lifts are dangerous especially without being taught by an Olympic coach.
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05-09-2016, 11:07 PM #101New Member
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The great thing about crossfit is also its biggest weakness. Every crossfit is different because the head coach/owner can tailor it to his liking. So I lucked out my first crossfit was with an owner who was a long time strength and conditioning coach. So we not only did "crossfit style" training but also powerlifting, endurance training, gymnastics strength training.
When I was out of town I went to another crossfit gym and the coach/owner was a former lawyer who decided to start a crossfit gym with his wife and couldn't program or coaches all.
personally I think it can be great if you find the right coach/gym
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05-19-2016, 09:49 AM #102
Our head trainer is a former european olympic lifter. He's super young (25) and apparently sucked compared to others in the Ukraine, but he blows us all out of the water. He's 195 lbs and can easily power snatch 225 for reps. It's super annoying. He does have a good fundamental base and is an excellent teacher though, and that's VERY important.
I travel a lot for work, so I hit a lot of crossfit gyms across North America. The strength of the athletes is going to be dictated by the strength of the trainer, and some are better than others (don't get me started on Mexico!). Ours is very olympic lift oriented, so we do A LOT of squats, cleans and strict press, leading into snatches and deadlifts. We (the regulars) are frequently doing heavy cycles of particular movements with very low cardio and a lot of gymnastic strength training. His theory is strength is harder to build than cardio, so once you build up a big strength base you spend a month introducing cardio at the end of the cycle, and then either compete or test.
I would avoid locations that have trainers without some kind of strong olympic lifting background. They are complicated movements, and I don't believe (my opinion) that you can teach them without having strong, in depth knowledge of their mechanics. I would not join a location run by a lawyer programming a dogs breakfast every day, because that's not what crossfit is. It is not designed to have 50 random movements that put you on the floor day after day, because that's what causes injury. A good programmer has a plan, and that includes taxing muscle groups but allowing for recovery.
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I can't agree more... In any type of training, it's the power/knowledge base/staying up to date/knowing how to explain things in detail is so very important... All training revolves around the program and the Trainer(usually advanced and has an advanced Kinesiology degree to support) w/out a proper and specialized coach/trainer one can only get so far... With the best pushing you and guiding you they know how to allow optimal recovery time as well as his to really tear down a muscle, create more muscular endurance and so on - as the list just compiles!
I will say to big dill Oly Lifting is a great way to strengthen the whole body moreso than than most ex's - it's all dependent on ones goals... It can be dangerous(very - but what we do is as well) again with Oly lifting it surely comes down to the coach and the trainee listening to their bodies while knowing when to push on...
PS... Never lose a lift in front of you!! Lol
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05-22-2016, 11:15 PM #104New Member
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I mean some people do have a natural talent for coaching people I have met trainers with degrees and every certification they could buy but could not at all translate that into teaching.
On the other hand one of my coaches degree is in French cuisine, and only has 2 certifications.....but she has gotten soccer moms and office workers doing cleans and snatches and muscle ups with surprisingly good form. But she also just traveled to China to attend training classes at their national Olympic weightlifting facility, she didn't get any certification she just wanted to learn.
We don't even start people on oly lifting for quiet a few months after they start. Again that's the problem with crossfit you could get a world class gym or junk.
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05-26-2016, 02:40 PM #105New Member
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I have a complicated relationship with Crossfit. Crossfit got me started with serious fitness and weight training, and I owe a debt of gratitude to it for that. I train at a Crossfit gym currently, but I almost never do classes. I do my own thing, but the atmosphere and culture of are so superior to any commercial gym that it's worth the extra money. They also have fun toys like prowlers and assault bikes that I use for my conditioning. I never need to wait for the squat rack. Since I go at off times, I've gotten to know that coaches pretty well.
There is a lot of bullshit and silliness around Crossfit, for sure. I see lots of people (including the coaches) with conflicting goals and programing ADD. I joke around with them that WODs are killing their gains - except I'm not kidding. Sometimes, you just need to focus on one or two areas for a while and a lot of Crossfit folks have trouble with that. I can tell you this - in the last six month, I've made better progress on on both my big lifts and body recomp doing my own thing than any of the folks doing the classes 3or 4x week and when I jump into WOD because it happens to make sense for my training that day, my times are middle of the pack with the WOD regulars.
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07-26-2016, 11:39 AM #107
I've forked over the $1000 and got certified as a crossfit trainer. It's a good workout. I've also been a long time standup fighting coach for MMA guys. CrossFit is a great training tool for explosive athletes. Work is weight over a given distance. Whether an athlete dead lifts 500lbs one time or 250lbs twice, it's the same amount of work. The way I see it, CrossFit does the same or more work than bodybuilders. The bodybuilders are only interested in the motion (lifting) to achieve an end gain of muscular development. CrossFit people are more interested in achieving motion (AMRAP over a given time) and develop their bodies to achieve that goal. It's just the opposite of bodybuilders. Since the goals are different between the two athletes, it's really impossible to compare one training method over another, IMO. I think there is a place for both in the spectrum of athletic performance. I think CrossFit is here to stay. Football, basketball, soccer, boxing, MMA, kickboxing etc are power sports and can benefit greatly from CrossFit. I personally do CrossFit 2x week and lift 4x week since I'm training for a show. When I'm off season, I switch to 2x lifting and 4x CrossFit to stay fit and keep fat off. I have all my fighters do crossfit to increase quick twitch muscle and increase power.
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I love it for the athletic component it brings. Crossfit workouts reminded me of lifting in highschool for football with all my buddies screaming and shouting. I did Crossfit a lot for my last show and was able to get my vertical back enough that I could dunk a basketball again at 33. That was something I hadn't been able to do for 5-6 years.
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08-02-2016, 02:28 AM #109Senior Member
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I joke a lot about the crazies you see on you tube that crossfit like morons. It is some of the best entertainment you can watch for free.
That said a lot of my military advanced fitness was crossfit type training. When done properly it results with a person that has endurance. That iis something Mr 8 percent bodyfat does not have...so it is a niche for those that don't have the time or resources or desire to be a bodybuilder.
I prefer the corporate Gym. Makes me feel solid to watch my progress push me past the half-ascers. The yelling and stuff is very negative to me surrounding crossfit and not required in most circmstances. Too much hey look at me sometimes. Just my two cents. Again a great result. I applaud anyone who gets off the sofa and pushes for a goal.
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08-15-2016, 10:51 AM #110New Member
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Very high injury rate
Not into it, tried it and didn't like their WOD's
Seems like a trend that will fade
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08-25-2016, 09:23 PM #111
Exactly lol. They train to train and hardly even the right way. Lol. I say if your going to do something. Do it right cuz your just cheating yourself and when it comes down to it and it matters. Then all you be is an overconfident half asser lol. I can't hate though. I guess some people need that kind of intensity in their life's
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11-12-2017, 06:14 PM #112
Since I'm back for now, I thought I'd try to revive this thread a little bit, since most of my training is crossift and oly lifting with a smidge of power lifting
Very well said and written, tough to argue with rational common sense
The athleticism that comes with it, is incredible. One of the reasons I fell in love with it. I can do things now at 34 that I couldn't do at 18.
Not sure if I should dignify this with a response, but I will. . It does not have any higher injury rate than any other sport and whether people like it or not, it's here to stay.
Those pull ups in that video are called butterfly pull ups and believe it or not they are very hard to do. Most people that can successfully do butterfly pull ups can probably do more strict pull ups in a row than your above average gym rat. I do agree it looks ridiculous though
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