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    My diet, critiques please

    This is my kind of version of a diet to cut and put on some lean muscle. Any comments would be very appreciated. I'm 5'10 about 160lb and want to put on some size and really cut up my abs.

    meal 1) protein/almonds
    meal 2) 4-5 eggwhites
    meal 3) large salad, chicken breast (40g protein) cottage cheese
    meal 4) large salad or 4 servings of vegetables, beef or chicken (40g protein)
    meal 5) protein, 1 banana, almonds maybe yogurt

    Scattered throughout the day for a snack I eat one or two 40-30-30 bars (8g fat 22g carb, 16g protein)

    I'm not sure if anyone has seen that mens health with the guy from the punisher on it. But, Im sort of following his training routine. Lifting 4 days a week twice a day with cardio after each workout. I do the exact same workout at least 5 hours rest in between. Mon-Chest and Bis, Tues-Quads and calves, Wed-off, Thurs-Back and tris, Fri-Shoulder and hamstrings Sat&Sun off.

    What do you guys think?
    Thanks for any comments.

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    It is next to impossible to cut up and bulk at the same time. Please choose one or the other and read the stickys atop the diet forum page.

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    bro what are your stats, when do you workout? we need more info.

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    You'll need far more/different choices to add size.

    See Daman1's suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    I'm not sure if anyone has seen that mens health with the guy from the punisher on it. But, Im sort of following his training routine. Lifting 4 days a week twice a day with cardio after each workout. I do the exact same workout at least 5 hours rest in between. Mon-Chest and Bis, Tues-Quads and calves, Wed-off, Thurs-Back and tris, Fri-Shoulder and hamstrings Sat&Sun off.
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    Lose this sh*t as well. Training twice per day WITH cardio after is going to actually ASSURE you gain nothing at all, especially in conjunction w/your proposed eating schedule.

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    Im 19 and about 5'10 160lb at about 6-7% body fat, I work out after my first protein shake, either before breakfast or before lunch. I do my second workout before dinner, so no matter when I am working out afterwords I am getting protein from food. I've looked at the stickys and none of those diets really fit with me or my body type, thats why I have taken my own angle and from those to see if I can build some lean body mass. I just spent the last year living in dorms, thus eating like **** so I figured just by eating a lot better and upping my workouts/cardio I could trim some belly fat along with put on some good lean muscle.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    Im 19 and about 5'10 160lb at about 6-7% body fat, I work out after my first protein shake, either before breakfast or before lunch. I do my second workout before dinner, so no matter when I am working out afterwords I am getting protein from food. I've looked at the stickys and none of those diets really fit with me or my body type, thats why I have taken my own angle and from those to see if I can build some lean body mass. I just spent the last year living in dorms, thus eating like **** so I figured just by eating a lot better and upping my workouts/cardio I could trim some belly fat along with put on some good lean muscle.

    Thanks
    Best of luck!
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    So what would be a better suggestion of when to do my cardio in conjunction with my workout, I've heard a lot of debate over lifting twice a day but I thought I would give it a shot to see if there was any merit in it, but I trust you guys and will follow any advice that you can help me with.

    Thanks again

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    Consider this.......

    You weigh 160.....yes, u are 19, but you want to ADD mass, right?

    Secondly, if your username is any indicator of who you really are and how your body really does function, cardio should be the LAST endeavor in your plans. Two-a-days require a TON more calories, and usually are accompanied by AAS. I am not suggesting AAS, quite the opposite.

    I suggest working out 3-4 times a week, compound movements, great diet, cardio MAYBE only on off days for 30 minutes, only IF you find your bodyfat going up too high/quick. (Ideally, you'll catch this and adjust your DIET before you add the cardio)

    You grow and change OUT of the gym, NEVER in it. That is only the stimuli from which you are then supposed to eat on time, correctly, rest, etc., to grow the biggest/best.

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    Did you think my diet plan was ok? Should I add or remove anything? And just to be clear I should forget out the twice a day lifting?

    Thanks Swole, now I know why everyone on this board worships you.

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    CAPS.....

    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    Did you think my diet plan was ok? I'VE SEEN WORSE, BUT THIS IS MEDIOCRE AT BEST. CHECK OUT THE LEAN MASS GAIN SUGGESTIONS ABOVE, OR THE CUTTING STICKY AND FOLLOW THOSE PRINCIPLES, BUT ADD CARBS TO MEALS 1 AND 3 INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE FAT/PROTEIN MEALS. (YOU'LL ALSO UP THE KCALS A BIT FROM THE SUGGESTIONS GIVEN, SO YOU DON'T END UP W/KCALS TOO LOW FOR YOUR GOALS)

    And just to be clear I should forget out the twice a day lifting?
    YES! DO A 3-4 DAY SPLIT........

    MONDAY - CHEST/SH/TRIS
    WED- BACK/BIS/TRAPS
    FRIDAY- LEGS/CALVES

    ALL OTHER DAYS ARE OFF. OR YOU CAN DO A M,T, WED OFF, THUR, FRI, SAT AND SUN OFF.


    Thanks Swole, now I know why everyone on this board worships you.

    DON'T KNOW ABOUT WORSHIP, I'M JUST HERE DOIN' MY THING.
    Now get to it!

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    no that diet is no good right now bro, check out the stickys and make some adjusments

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    I've looked at the stickys and none of those diets really fit with me or my body type, thats why I have taken my own angle and from those to see if I can build some lean body mass.
    Just wondering, dude.... What is your "body type" for which these diets won't work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad_man
    Just wondering, dude.... What is your "body type" for which these <A TITLE="Click for more information about diet" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://www.prescriptions-r-us.biz/">diet</A>s won't work?
    My thoughts as well

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    I was going to ask, however I know there is no valid answer, so I left it alone.



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    I know many will argue with me on this about genetics, but the largest part of my forearm is roguhly 11 inches, in all honosty my wrists could be the same size as some girls! But, I have avidly been lifting on a 3 day a week schedule for at least 2 years. My diet was never perfect but It was remotely healthy with 2 shakes taken a day lots of meats protein bars here or there.Many have eaten way worse than I and acheieved much greater results. I have not seen any substantal gains ever. My arms now are 14 inches and my chest is 35. My routine is solid and mostly taken from posts on this board, I am consistantly sore the days after lifting and I push myself to the limits every workout. I have tried Nlarge2 and other weight gainers and recieved minimal weight gain at best. I am willing to try anything under the sun to put some good solid mass on myself. With all the hard work I have put in and all the different options I have tried there can be no other reason.

    I am willing to try anything, so If anyone has a specific plan of diet/workout they want to map me out on I will throw myself into it 100%.
    Thanks

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    Seriously, just read the "bulking" sticky and make a plan of attack, it's really a very simple procedure.

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    That specific diet plan has been offered to you but you said that it doesn't fit your body type. I suggest you read the sticky again. Then read it once more. Then use it to modify your diet and post it back here where some dudes can help you tweak it.

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    I say it doesnt fit me because the stickies are for a 6 foot 200 pounder, its a very general lay out so I don't understand how I am supposed to tweek it for a 5'10 150. So Im gonna follow the cutting diet and just add some wheat bread to meal 3. I don't see any sticky's on bulking. Any other tips are much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    I say it doesnt fit me because the stickies are for a 6 foot 200 pounder, its a very general lay out so I don't understand how I am supposed to tweek it for a 5'10 150. So Im gonna follow the cutting diet and just add some wheat bread to meal 3. I don't see any sticky's on bulking. Any other tips are much appreciated.

    Plans HAVE to be general otherwise we'd have to post ten thousand plans. Everyone is different. That's why you should post your diet here (after reading the sticky) and the smart guys here can help you tweak it for your specific circumstances.

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    I'll throw my workout down real quick too so you guys can take a peek at that. I do 4 sets heavy weight I try to hit 10 reps but can usually pound out 8 or so.

    Mon- Chest n bis
    Pec Dec
    15 degree incline bench
    flat bench
    dip
    barbell curl
    dumbell curl
    reverse curl

    Tues- Quads n Calves
    Leg extension
    squat
    lunges
    standing and seated calf raises

    Thurs- Back n tris
    Lat pulldown
    one arm row
    front pulldown
    wide row
    tricep pushdown
    rope pushdown
    reverse extension
    dip

    Fri- Shoulders n hammis
    dumbell shrug
    barbell shrug
    military press
    lateral raise
    front raise
    reverse fly
    hamstring curl
    1 leg ham curl

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    Meal 1:
    4-5 eggwhites, 1/2 cup oatmeal

    Meal 2:
    Protein shake/almonds

    Meal 3:
    2-3 servings Veggies, 40 g protein,from turkey tuna or chicken
    40-30-30 Bar
    Workout

    Meal 4:
    PWO shakes

    Meal 5:
    3-4 servings Veggies, 40 g protein form Chicken breast, lean steak,cottage cheese

    Meal 6:
    Shake and almonds, maybe banana or yogurt

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    Is all this any good?
    ...Anybody?

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    CAPS BRO. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    Meal 1:
    4-5 eggwhites, 1/2 cup oatmeal
    NEED MORE PROTEIN HERE. . ADD A COUPLE EGG WHITES
    Meal 2:
    Protein shake/almonds
    GOOD, BUT U MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER USEING A SOLID FOOD HERE AND NOT A SHAKE

    Meal 3:
    2-3 servings Veggies, 40 g protein,from turkey tuna or chicken
    40-30-30 Bar
    Workout
    GET RIDE OF THAT **** BAR AND A FAT HERE. .(FLAX PERHAPS)

    Meal 4:
    PWO shakes
    I ASSUME THIS IS DEXTROSE:WHEY AT A 2:1 RATIO
    Meal 5:
    3-4 servings Veggies, 40 g protein form Chicken breast, lean steak,cottage cheese
    NO CHEESE HERE BRO U NEED CARBS!!! OATS, RICE POTATOES ALL THAT GOOD STUFF

    Meal 6:
    Shake and almonds, maybe banana or yogurt
    DROP THE YOGURT AND BANANA. . U CAN USE THAT COTTAGE CHEESE ABOVE HERE FOR A GOOD SLOW DIGESTING PROTEIN AND FAT

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    AMEN! Thanks man I got a good feelin about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardGainer9
    AMEN! Thanks man I got a good feelin about this
    Not a prob bro. . grow large and good luck

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