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    Add a Pro/Fat or Pro/Carb?... bulking

    Just trying to figure out my bulking diet... I'm going to be on cycle for this.

    heres what the order looks like right now.
    I'm trying to figure out if I have room, should I add another pro/carb or pro/fat meal? Also, should I switch meals 2 and 3 or is it fine like this pre-workout?

    #1 - pro/carb.... 5 egg whites, 1 yolk, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop whey

    #2 - pro/fat.... burgers w/out buns or steak or chicken/peanuts

    #3 - pro/carb... lean meat and wheat bread or potato or rice

    WORKOUT

    #4 - PWO shake with 72g protein, 72g dextrose, 72g maltodextrin

    #5 - PPWO lean meat and wheat bread or rice or potato

    #6 - pro/fat lean meat and peanuts or steak or burgers

    #7 - pro/fat 2 cans tuna and 1 tbsb flax


    Middle of the night when I piss - 1 scoop whey, 8 oz milk, 1 tbsb flax

    Im shooting for 50-60g protein in every meal except PWO and around 50g carbs in pro/carb meals, and 20g fat in pro/fat meals.

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    bizzzzump

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    Quote Originally Posted by AandF6969
    Just trying to figure out my bulking diet... I'm going to be on cycle for this.

    heres what the order looks like right now.
    I'm trying to figure out if I have room, should I add another pro/carb or pro/fat meal? Also, should I switch meals 2 and 3 or is it fine like this pre-workout?

    #1 - pro/carb.... 5 egg whites, 1 yolk, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop whey
    FINE

    #2 - pro/fat.... burgers w/out buns or steak or chicken/peanuts
    BURGERS. .EHHH, THERE ARE BETER CHOICES, THEY HAVE ALOT OF TFA'S. STICK WITH A LEAN CUT OF STEAK IMO

    #3 - pro/carb... lean meat and wheat bread or potato or rice
    I WOULDNT USE BREAD. BUT IF YOU MUST MAKE SURE IT SAYS WHOLE WHEAT, NOT JUST WHEAT. AS REGUALR WHEAY IS STILL 75% WHITE

    WORKOUT

    #4 - PWO shake with 72g protein, 72g dextrose, 72g maltodextrin
    THATS A TONE OF PROTEIN MAN, I DONT HTINK YOU WILL NEED THAT MUCH
    #5 - PPWO lean meat and wheat bread or rice or potato
    BY LEAN MEAT I ASSUME YOU MEAN CHICKEN BREAST. B/C AT THIS POINT YOU DONT WANT NE STEAK OF BEEF OR NETHING LIKE THAT

    #6 - pro/fat lean meat and peanuts or steak or burgers
    FINE

    #7 - pro/fat 2 cans tuna and 1 tbsb flax
    AGAIN, ALOT OF PROTEIN EVEN FOR BEING ON CYCLE, A CAN AND A HALF SHOULD BE FINE


    Middle of the night when I piss - 1 scoop whey, 8 oz milk, 1 tbsb flax
    WHY? AND IF YOU ARE GONNA DO IT THEN WHY MILK??? MILK IS CRAP BRO

    Im shooting for 50-60g protein in every meal except PWO and around 50g carbs in pro/carb meals, and 20g fat in pro/fat meals.
    DCB

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    hey DCB, what kind of tuna do you buy? My tuna, albacore, only has 15g protein. i eat 2 cans and its only 30g protein. Good math eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    hey DCB, what kind of tuna do you buy? My tuna, albacore, only has 15g protein. i eat 2 cans and its only 30g protein. Good math eh?
    its is 15 grams per serving and in a 6 oz can there are 3 servings thats 45 grams per can..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChefJ
    its is 15 grams per serving and in a 6 oz can there are 3 servings thats 45 grams per can..
    I have been eating tuna for, well too long, and have looked at serving size maybe twice. I always thought it said serving size was one can, good thing i asked this question or i would have thought that forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    I have been eating tuna for, well too long, and have looked at serving size maybe twice. I always thought it said serving size was one can, good thing i asked this question or i would have thought that forever
    yeah it should say serving size 2.5. . .which is about 37 grams of protein per can

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    Can too much protein hurt you, as in storing the protein as fat or anything? I ask because 2 cans is perfect amount for me to eat and get full on until the next 2 hrs is up. JW

    ps, i eat the 2 cans with 1tbs full fat mayo and 2 tbs natty PB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    Can too much protein hurt you, as in storing the protein as fat or anything? I ask because 2 cans is perfect amount for me to eat and get full on until the next 2 hrs is up. JW

    ps, i eat the 2 cans with 1tbs full fat mayo and 2 tbs natty PB.
    yes too much protein can be stored as fat. do search this has been covered a bunch of times

    so you eat 2 cans, with the full fat mayo, AND the natty PB, AND 1 tbsp flax????? u said your goal was to have 20g of fat per pro/ fat meal. . thats WAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much


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    JEEZ NOT THAT MUCH, take out the flax,

    I consider myself a mild\hard gainer. I have a naturaly muscular body, but wehre i am right now, it is harder for me to put on mass. ie why im on cycle

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    update on my diet\cycle, dont care if you dont care gona say anyways im psyched. on 13th day and gained 11lbs. Dbol might have a big impact on that weight tho, and stomach same ol same ol, maybe a little tighter.

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    U understand that is water weight, right?

    I mean, you really don't believe you can gain almost a lb. of muscle in a day, do you?



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    yeah swole I do. If i didn't know that was water weight i dont think i should be on AAS. BUT, in the morning when i feel dehydrated and after about 3 pisses counting nightly and morning, i weight 8lbs hevier, the 13lbs is after my W\O, the 8 is in morn. Dang dude i was exited n all but u bursted my bubble.

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    sorry for jackin your thread bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    yeah swole I do. If i didn't know that was water weight i dont think i should be on AAS. BUT, in the morning when i feel dehydrated and after about 3 pisses counting nightly and morning, i weight 8lbs hevier, the 13lbs is after my W\O, the 8 is in morn. Dang dude i was exited n all but u bursted my bubble.

    wow..

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    yesss a dumb Qs why dalcowbag said milk is crap???? dammn im taking nearly 1.5liter a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    sorry for jackin your thread bro.
    D@MN IT MAN!!!!

    nah its cool.

    Thanks for the replies guys... still deciding how much protein/dex/malto to put in my PWO shake... I think i might have to keep that burger meal the way it is cuz I cant afford steak twice a day, once is going to be pushing it. I dont put on fat easily though, im also thinking about doing cardio 3 days a week, empty stomach, for about 30-45 mins.

    Im taking the milk cuz of the casein in it itll digest slower than pure whey. Ill be bloated and looking a little "soft" anyway from the DBol but I dont think 8 oz milk/day is gonna make that much of a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRLS63
    yesss a dumb Qs why dalcowbag said milk is crap???? dammn im taking nearly 1.5liter a day
    milk has sugars, and fats. .together
    fat+crabs=crap

    DCB

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalcowbag
    milk has sugars, and fats. .together
    fat+crabs=crap

    DCB
    ahhhh now i see why thanks a lot

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    good point bro... hmm... maybe ill do skim. $hit, ill figure something out. Might have to get me some casein protein.

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    Since milk is fairly low in the GI index and so is maltodextrin that some people put in their PWO shake, wouldnt the effect be the same. In other words is putting whey and dex in milk the same as putting whey, dex, and malto in water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeUp
    Since milk is fairly low in the GI index and so is maltodextrin that some people put in their PWO shake, wouldnt the effect be the same. In other words is putting whey and dex in milk the same as putting whey, dex, and malto in water?

    why would you have a low gi carb postwork out? please explain..

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    Dex is High GI... you want high GI for your pwo, so milk isnt good for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot
    why would you have a low gi carb postwork out? please explain..
    That is a good question, I dont do it. I stick to dex, but there are plenty that put the malto in there. Just wondering if there was anyone advocating the malto but then saying not to use milk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AandF6969
    good point bro... hmm... maybe ill do skim. $hit, ill figure something out. Might have to get me some casein protein.
    Doesn't skim milk have ALOT of sugar in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blown_SC
    Doesn't skim milk have ALOT of sugar in it?
    ya but at least theres no fat in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRLS63
    ya but at least theres no fat in it
    As far as I know, this is the reason that low-fat mayo is not recommended by the ppl here... cuz more sugar it's better for you than fat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blown_SC
    As far as I know, this is the reason that low-fat mayo is not recommended by the ppl here... cuz more sugar it's better for you than fat...

    i on the other hand disagree.. if the low fat mayo has under 2 grams of carbs i reather use that and use a much better source of fat.. i think doby mentioned it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot
    i on the other hand disagree.. if the low fat mayo has under 2 grams of carbs i reather use that and use a much better source of fat.. i think doby mentioned it as well.
    I meant to say that more sugar isn't necessarily better than less fat.... oops..

    I know what you're saying though bro... I think Doby says she likes this type of Hellman's. or something...

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    Alright, fvck it ill just get casein and mix 1 scoop of that with 1 scoop whey for my middle-of-the-night piss snack

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    yo elliot or swole or any of you other know-it-alls (believe it or not i mean 'know it all' in a good way).....

    whether it is a good thing to do or not, is using dex in milk the same as using dex and malto with a PWO shake? just trying to better my understanding of it all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeUp
    yo elliot or swole or any of you other know-it-alls (believe it or not i mean 'know it all' in a good way).....

    whether it is a good thing to do or not, is using dex in milk the same as using dex and malto with a PWO shake? just trying to better my understanding of it all...
    like dcb said,milk has fat and sugar.....you want to replinish your muscles as possible, the fat will only hinder this proccess by slowing down digestion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metabolic_
    like dcb said,milk has fat and sugar.....you want to replinish your muscles as possible, the fat will only hinder this proccess by slowing down digestion
    bro....

    skim milk does not have fat. I know why it slows it down, do you? I want these guys to answer only bc im curious about the answer to the question that i posed...not flaming just curious to hear from one of these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeUp
    bro....

    skim milk does not have fat. I know why it slows it down, do you? I want these guys to answer only bc im curious about the answer to the question that i posed...not flaming just curious to hear from one of these guys.
    sorry I didnt see the mentioning of skim milk , Im also curious about what they have to say

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    even if its fat free it still has complex sugar..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot
    even if its fat free it still has complex sugar..
    yea i know elliot, that is the question i am getting at...

    IS PUTTING WHEY AND DEX IN SKIM MILK THE SAME AS PUTTING WHEY, DEX, AND MALTO IN WATER?

    if i start a new thread will that help? i hate to be redundant, but the actual question is kind of being skipped right over

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeUp
    yea i know elliot, that is the question i am getting at...

    IS PUTTING WHEY AND DEX IN SKIM MILK THE SAME AS PUTTING WHEY, DEX, AND MALTO IN WATER?

    if i start a new thread will that help? i hate to be redundant, but the actual question is kind of being skipped right over

    malto and lactose are diffrent forms of carbohydrates..
    Last edited by Elliot; 07-28-2004 at 01:45 PM.

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    also are you talking about maltose or maltodextrin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot
    also are you talking about maltose or maltodextrin?
    maltodextrin...

    i was just thinking that since that and lactose are both low on the GI index that the effect would be the same, not to say that it is a positive effect, but at least similar nonetheless

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    being that lactose is a 43 gi carb and maltodextin being a 105 gi carb.........

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