I hope you people dont mind if I post up around this forum for a bit

Fo me to start learning about cutting

Ive spent the better part of my life in the gym learning about different lifting techniques for growth and size purely to get as big as I can...now in 3 months my cycle will be over and after talking with some of my closest friends on here ive decided to cut and try to maintain as much muscle as I can in the process. I will be asking alot of questions but I need to know where to start. I look forward to spending alot of time in the diet section to learn all that I can so that when the time to cut is upon me..I wont have the "deer stuck in the headlights look" I'd really like to see what I look like underneath this layer of extra padding..thanks in advance for your help :)


PS...Im reading the stickies now

Uh oh mass is here

This might help you a little too..

Diet and cardio are the 2 most important elements to shedding body fat. Its important that when you decide to start cutting you do cardio 5-7 days a week, in the morning on an empty stomach for 45-60 minutes. Your heart rate should remaind between 60-70%.

On Cardio/Lifting days diet goes as follows:


*Before Cardio Take Glutamine
**Take your ECA/ECY/Thermo now if you choose to do so

Cardio 45-60mins

m1(approx 30-40 mins after cardio):
Pro/Fat: 1 6-8oz piece of lean meat or egg whites/1oz almonds(usually 28 almonds). Thats about 50g of protein/15g of fat.

m2:Pro/Fat Lean Meat, 2 tablespoons of natural peanut butter. Approx. 50g of protein and 15g of fat.

m3: Pro/Fat 2 Scoops of whey and 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil. Approx. 50g of Protein and 15g of fat.

-workout-

m4(PWO): 1 scoop of whey, 1/3 cup of dextrose. Approx. 25g protein/50g carb

m5(PPWO): 6-8oz Lean Meat(NOT STEAK OR SALMON), and half a cup of brown rice. Approx 50 protein/35carb

m6(before bed): 2 scoops whey, 1 teaspoon glutamine powder, 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil.


Cardio Only Days (Follow the food outline from above for your sources of EFA's(essential fatty acids) and protein:

Cardio 45-60mins
m1: Pro/Fat
m2: Pro/Fat
m3: Pro/Fat (optional Pro/Carb)
m4: Pro/Fat
m5: Pro/Fat

Lifting Only Days:

m1: Pro/Fat
m2: Pro/Fat
m3: Pro/Fat
-Workout-
m4(PWO): Pro/Dex
m5(PPWO): Pro/Carb
m6: Pro/Fat


Your source of protein can be chicken, tuna, lean ground beef, turkey or egg whites(eggs). Steak and salmon can also be used but not in PPWO meal.

Cheat one meal, once a week don’t overdue it.

Hell ya I mind........ GTFO biatch ;)


LOL glad to see ya in here

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Originally Posted by LeanMeOut

Hell ya I mind........ GTFO biatch ;)


LOL glad to see ya in here

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You woke up LMO, great job mass. :wg:

first things first..post your current diet so it can be critiqued

My current diet
Meal1
8 egg whites/ 1 yolk scrammbled
1 cup oats w/ honey (if ya want to add some flavor)
2 slices whole wheat toast w/ natty pb
8-12 oz of water minimum

Meal2
3/4 to 1 lb lean red (ground chuck, steak, hamburger aslong as it's lean)
1 cup green leafy veggies
1/2 apple or 1/2 cup rice

Meal3
2 cans tuna w/ 1-2 tablespoons of mayo
side salad w/vinigarette

Meal4
2 chicken breasts
1 cup green leafy veggie
1/2 cup cottage cheese

Meal5
fish, chicken, turkey breast, lean red meat
1/2 cup green leafy veggies
1/2 to 1 cup rice

Meal6
PWO shake 40-60g protein/ 80g carbs

Meal7
(PWO1) 2 chicken breasts
1 1/2 cup rice

Meal8
(PWO2) 1 can tuna or chicken or even egg white omolette
1/2 to 1 cup cottage cheese

as clean as possible...I know its alot of food but at 5'6 248 pounds I need all the protein I can to keep promoting muscle growth... its been ramped up starting from 5000 calories a day...keep in mind that I said im bulking

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PS...Im reading the stickies now

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Have I told you recently that I <3 you ?? :lol: :lol:

It's going to be an interesting transition from bulk to cut..... how soon do you want to start cutting? If I were you I would cut while on cycle.....

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It's going to be an interesting transition from bulk to cut..... how soon do you want to start cutting? If I were you I would cut while on cycle.....

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Id like to wait untill a month after im done with pct..because im still gonna ramp up on calories after pct .....PCT is very rough for me I dont know about you guys but pychologically it plays hell on me...I even dissapear from the boards for a couple of weeks thats how bad it is...so thats why I threw out the notion of a month after pct is complete..dam bro I can only handle so much

fVck thats alot of food bro!

you're mixing fats with carbs though...bad

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Id like to wait untill a month after im done with pct..because im still gonna ramp up on calories after pct .....PCT is very rough for me I dont know about you guys but pychologically it plays hell on me...I even dissapear from the boards for a couple of weeks thats how bad it is...so thats why I threw out the notion of a month after pct is complete..dam bro I can only handle so much

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Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.

How much cardio do you do also right now Mass??

If you choose the option I just said above, why not clean up the bulking diet to the max, and add 3 days of cardio with it to keep any excess fat from coming, and then when your ready to cut up the cardio to 6-7 days a week and start slowly lowering the cals. That might be a better option and it leaves room to start losing a little fat even while bulking. It all depends on your body though, because everyone is different in this aspect.

a month after pct is fine to start cutting.

I'm going to take clen during pct so i can keep calories high and keep the fat gains to a minimum.

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Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(

fVck thats alot of food bro!

you're mixing fats with carbs though...bad

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Yeah no ****...it took awhile to get used to eating all that...and now I can actually eat more than that if i really wanted to..but I have to implement a little restraint

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Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.

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yeah im waiting for swoles imput as well

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How much cardio do you do also right now Mass??

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cardio is 3 times a week in the mornings before I eat anything...but only for 30 minutes on mon,wed,fri

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Originally Posted by mass junkie

Yeah no ****...it took awhile to get used to eating all that...and now I can actually eat more than that if i really wanted to..but I have to implement a little restraint


yeah im waiting for swoles imput as well


cardio is 3 times a week in the mornings before I eat anything...but only for 30 minutes on mon,wed,fri

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Not bad......

Yea I would wait for Swole's opinion because I remember talking to him about my buddy ending a cycle and wanting cut and he said it wasn't the best idea.....so I would definitely wait for swole's input.

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Originally Posted by LeanMeOut

Not bad......

Yea I would wait for Swole's opinion because I remember talking to him about my buddy ending a cycle and wanting cut and he said it wasn't the best idea.....so I would definitely wait for swole's input.

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yeah but its defintely the time to cut... I find myself winded very easy and its getting harder to breathe..bro I cant even take off my own shirt..and if my wife is pissed at me she'll leave me their like a turtle flipped on my back...it sucks :)

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yeah but its defintely the time to cut... I find myself winded very easy and its getting harder to breathe..bro I cant even take off my own shirt..and if my wife is pissed at me she'll leave me their like a turtle flipped on my back...it sucks :)

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:lol: HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny....

just wondering, how much bf do you think you have?

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Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(

:lol: HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny....

just wondering, how much bf do you think you have?

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im def between 19 and 21..ive been checked in 4 different gyms...yeah i know its pretty high ...but thats why im here :)

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im def between 19 and 21..ive been checked in 4 different gyms...yeah i know its pretty high ...but thats why im here :)

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Well u came to the right place :wg:

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Originally Posted by slizzut

Well u came to the right place :wg:

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Thanks brother...I know i am ;)

What up bro.

~SC~

ttt :cool:

Much success to you on your cutter mass.. hope you don't fell to small afterwards, when i was 230 i felt like a **** stick.

Mass, you've come to the right place for diet advice.

TTT again for Mizzass ;)

21% ??

thats nothin man, you and your determination will cut thru that like BUTTER.

do it man!
we wit cha.
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In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout

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Originally Posted by mass junkie

In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout

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Do cardio in the morning...... if you absolutely can't do that then do cardio after you lift.

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Originally Posted by LeanMeOut

Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.

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is there anything wrong with cutting during/after PCT?
that is waht i was going to do, but with the use of clen/ ECA, along with glutamine and creatine to avoid catabolism

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Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(

a month after pct is fine to start cutting.

I'm going to take clen during pct so i can keep calories high and keep the fat gains to a minimum.

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how about cutting during PCT?

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In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout

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Neither!

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Originally Posted by G-Force

how about cutting during PCT?

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How about your OWN thread you Bin Laden Hi-jacker! :D

~SC~

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Originally Posted by SwoleCat

How about your OWN thread you Bin Laden Hi-jacker! :D

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how about you take a chill pill

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Originally Posted by G-Force

how about you take a chill pill

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The smiley next to my statement indicates I was kidding. :rolleyes:

Shove that pill --------------------- > (__!__)

~SC~

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Originally Posted by G-Force

how about you take a chill pill

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sorry mate - i'm in a **** mood today

almost had my first bout of roid rage earlier

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is there anything wrong with cutting during/after PCT?
that is waht i was going to do, but with the use of clen/ ECA, along with glutamine and creatine to avoid catabolism

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take a hike! start your own thread man.. :rolleyes:

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take a hike! start your own thread man.. :rolleyes:

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:eek:

its related to mass junkies situation - we are both doing the same thing

answering my question is probably also goin to help him out

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:eek:

its related to mass junkies situation - we are both doing the same thing

answering my question is probably also goin to help him out

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no worries man
thanks for the input fellas

LMAO....... is there ever one thread that goes on in this forum without someone taking a shot @ swole lol. WTF...... oh well Mass I hope you got the idea behind everything ;)

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how about cutting during PCT?

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I would not cut during pct. im only taking the clen to keep off unwanted fat during pct so i will be able to keep my calories high....