More fat less protein

[Kärnfysikern]

If carbs are keept low(30-50g on rest days, 100-130g on workout days). What would happen if protein is lowered from like 300grams to 200 grams and fat increased to make upp for the kcal? Now the big part of the protein that is lowered will be from semi poor sources(like tuna, chicken(I assume chicken and tuna is of less quality then beef simply because mamals are closer related to humans then fish or fowl))I would still keep the better quality protein from beef, eggs and shakes.

Would it be more probable to lose muscle mass? Would it slow down fat burning and make the diet less effective? Im just wondering because
protein rich food=expensive
Flax and olive oil=cheap

[Kärnfysikern]

This would roughly make my diet

45% protein
45% fat(all fat from eggs, flax and oliv oil)
10% carbs on rest days (10 grams from a diary probiotic product and the rest from fruits and oatmeal)

and

45% protein
22% fat
33% carbs on workout days

Instead of roughly as I do now
65-70% protein
20% fat
10% carbs

[beenie]

Atkins initially made no distinction between fat and protien.

[co2boi]

Well, protein requires the most calories to digest, fat requires basically none.

You can actually get a lot of quality protein from leafy dark green veggies like spinach, without the fat. The argument of incomplete proteins vs "complete" is actually inaccurate because your body maintains a pool of amino acids to complete them anyway.

[SwoleCat]

Well, protein requires the most calories to digest, fat requires basically none.

You can actually get a lot of quality protein from leafy dark green veggies like spinach, without the fat. The argument of incomplete proteins vs "complete" is actually inaccurate because your body maintains a pool of amino acids to complete them anyway.

True, but when you ingest complete proteins from better sources (like meats) you'll do a lot better growing wise!

~SC~

[co2boi]

True, but when you ingest complete proteins from better sources (like meats) you'll do a lot better growing wise!

~SC~

I agree, but I felt like his concern was based more around cost. It would take a lot more veggie protein than meat or milk protein, but it would cost less in the long run.

[Kärnfysikern]

Well, protein requires the most calories to digest, fat requires basically none.

You can actually get a lot of quality protein from leafy dark green veggies like spinach, without the fat. The argument of incomplete proteins vs "complete" is actually inaccurate because your body maintains a pool of amino acids to complete them anyway.

So a switchupp like that would require me to lower total kcal to compensate?

I might give ****loads of veggies as a protein source(besides the whey, beef and eggs offcourse)a try.

But has anyone tried cutting with less protein and more fat and in that case was it to catabolic to work?

[beenie]

You can actually get a lot of quality protein from leafy dark green veggies like spinach, without the fat.

Not unless you eat an entire truck full of it Popeye. Last time I checked, 1 cup of spinich, has less than 1 gram of protien. One 6 oz hamburger has 50 grams. You would need to eat 60 cups of spinich to match the protien in 1 burger. Hungry?

[co2boi]

I think it's all about finding a balance. Soy is a high quality protein. You can get all the amino acids that you need from soy foods.

One thing to keep in mind with animal based protein is that many of them also contain uric acid which must be disposed of by your body. Not to mention the cholesterol and other byproducts which elevate CR-P levels and contribute to arterial blockage and joint inflamation. There are other considerations like cancer, Kidney Disease, cardiovascular disease, etc.

In attempt to answer your question Johan, I wouldn't personally go with a higher fat diet. If you want to switch it up, I would personally try more quality carb cals (veggies, grains, legumes, etc) and less protein cals. The fat cals should come from good fats. Although the added veggies and such will also give you some good protein. JMO...