PPWO amounts?

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04-25-2005, 08:17 PM
ScooterBoy

PPWO amounts?

I'm cutting and stats are 5-9 220lbs getting lean got top abs showing.
Right now I'm taking in 6oz of chicken or 1.5 cans of tuna and a 8oz yam.
50protein-63 carbs.
what do some of you guys take in PPWO.
04-25-2005, 10:02 PM
nwp

scoop of whey or some egg whites and a cup of oats
04-25-2005, 10:09 PM
fitnessguy

chicken breast, brown rice, and broccolli
04-26-2005, 12:07 AM
ScooterBoy

from what I understand you should exclude veggies in PPWO. Gets you the better insulin response that you want for your first solid PWO.
04-26-2005, 06:07 AM
BIG TEXAN

Chicken breast or two and 1/2 to 1 cup white rice.
04-26-2005, 02:46 PM
dazbo

Should PPWO nutrition including high GI foods or low ones ?? I normally have chicken with veg and cheese PPWO or sometimes brown rice/wholemeal pasta in place of the Veg.

thanks
04-27-2005, 05:42 AM
Deezuhl

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN

Chicken breast or two and 1/2 to 1 cup white rice.

should switch to brown rice. much better for you ppwo.
04-27-2005, 07:45 AM
BIG TEXAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Mike

should switch to brown rice. much better for you ppwo.

I know what works for my body and white rice works just fine for my needs..... and white rice is perfect for PWO meals.
04-27-2005, 09:03 AM
Deezuhl

sorry, didnt realize you had 5500 posts. your right what works best for you is what you should go with.
04-28-2005, 11:48 AM
devilman208

wtf does ppwo stand for? protein post work out?
04-28-2005, 03:18 PM
nwp

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilman208

wtf does ppwo stand for? protein post work out?

post post workout.
the first shake is your pwo, and your next meal is ppwo
04-28-2005, 03:26 PM
getbig888

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Originally Posted by BIG TEXAN

I know what works for my body and white rice works just fine for my needs..... and white rice is perfect for PWO meals.

would it be as good or better than brown rice ? i hope so b/c i am tired of brown rice. (i'm lean bulking)
04-28-2005, 03:46 PM
zx10racer2

pwo is post workout and ppwo is what ???
04-28-2005, 06:24 PM
zx10racer2

bump
04-28-2005, 06:25 PM
SwoleCat

It's post-post workout.

I call it the 2nd pwo meal.

:D

~SC~
04-28-2005, 10:52 PM
big'r

Quote:

Originally Posted by getbig888

would it be as good or better than brown rice ? i hope so b/c i am tired of brown rice. (i'm lean bulking)

The only moments during the day where you can afford yourself some higher glycemic food are directly before - or after your workout. After your workout insulin is your friend, as long as your not cutting, in improving protein synthesis. So you may go for the white rice.
05-02-2005, 04:42 PM
diesel85

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Originally Posted by big'r

After your workout insulin is your friend, as long as your not cutting

why is that?
05-03-2005, 04:41 AM
dazbo

I would like some expansion on that last post by Bid r if possible also, please

thanks
05-03-2005, 08:39 AM
SwoleCat

Quote:

Originally Posted by big'r

The only moments during the day where you can afford yourself some higher glycemic food are directly before - or after your workout. After your workout insulin is your friend, as long as your not cutting, in improving protein synthesis. So you may go for the white rice.

1) I'd never spike slin BEFORE a workout as you hinder the true spike PWO, and will experience lethargy if you do so before a workout.

2) I use white rice in my PPWO meals when cutting and have no issues, and I prescribe my clients do the same thing. As long as the respective amounts are CORRECT for the goals outlined, there are no issues.

~SC~
05-03-2005, 08:59 AM
dazbo

Thanks SC - I always like to hear your oppinions on diet!

Could anyone tell me why Spiking your slin levels AFTER a workout WHILST on a cutting diet is a bad thing ??

The reason why I ask is, even tho I am currently cutting, I still use 60g dextrose in my PWO shake with 30g prot, and also eat carbs PPWO. And, if this is going to be a bad thing whilst cutting, I would like to know why and I may stop. Providing it doesnt hinder my strength.

thanks

Darrren
05-03-2005, 09:00 AM
SwoleCat

Why would ingesting the proper nutrients for muscular recovery and the way in which one recovers from a weight training workout change because of cutting? You still want to aide repair and keep lean mass, right?

Adequate pwo protocols are needed probably even MORE while cutting than bulking to assure muscular recovery and prevent catabolism/muscle loss.

~SC~
05-03-2005, 09:09 AM
dazbo

OK thanks SC - and for the quick reply. Its just from what big r said above regarding it but yeah, What you say is exactly what I thought which is why Ive been doing it still while cutting.

I'll leave it at that and thanks again
05-03-2005, 10:04 AM
SwoleCat

I've no idea who big'r is brutha, and w/two posts I've not read anything else that he has to offer/say, so I'm not sure how familiar he is w/this subject or how experienced he is in the world of fitness. From what I've read though, he's missing a lot of understanding about timing, amounts, etc.

Not a flame on him, but I can assure you that what I told you is 100% correct because I do it, all my clients do it, and the majority of the guys on here leaning out and getting cut up do the same thing as well. You are fine doing what you have set out to do.

~SC~
05-03-2005, 10:38 AM
getbig888

swole, when you say the consum white rice in the right amounts, i know it depends on the person but what would you say the range would be of how much rice for ppwo? (i am lean bulking)
05-03-2005, 12:52 PM
Jenseno9

id like to know that too...

Im just waiting untill i recover from my cycle and im going to start cutting...
im 3 weeks off and havent lost a pound!
05-03-2005, 02:04 PM
smegs

Quote:

Originally Posted by getbig888

swole, when you say the consum white rice in the right amounts, i know it depends on the person but what would you say the range would be of how much rice for ppwo? (i am lean bulking)

1/2 cup has been working well for me
05-03-2005, 08:57 PM
big'r

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

2) I use white rice in my PPWO meals when cutting and have no issues, and I prescribe my clients do the same thing. As long as the respective amounts are CORRECT for the goals outlined, there are no issues.

Actually I agree to this totally, but when i bring up simple carbs ppwo (on the dutch board i'm at) i always get muchos negative reactions and endless discussions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazbo

The reason why I ask is, even tho I am currently cutting, I still use 60g dextrose in my PWO shake with 30g prot, and also eat carbs PPWO. And, if this is going to be a bad thing whilst cutting, I would like to know why and I may stop. Providing it doesnt hinder my strength.

No bro, go ahead. Protein synthesis is increased after your training. It will reach 50% higher values 4 hours after workout and will peak 100% above basal values 24 hours post workout. So eating a little more post workout seems to be a better choice than the pre workout. Even while cutting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

Why would ingesting the proper nutrients for muscular recovery and the way in which one recovers from a weight training workout change because of cutting? You still want to aide repair and keep lean mass, right?

Adequate pwo protocols are needed probably even MORE while cutting than bulking to assure muscular recovery and prevent catabolism/muscle loss.

Cannot find the thumbs up smiley. Totally agree bro.

About the insulin story: What i meant to say was that an insulin boost pre/post workout will increase protein AND glycogen synthesis. But when i bring up the words high glycemic and insulin post workout whilst cutting in the Netherlands everybody freaks out.
So sorry about the misunderstanding i brought up.